Fantastic commentary, but i don't fully agree with every thing you've said... Actually that's only partially true, at one point or another i have said all the same things myself but in a different context.


Here is what i will say to amplify the presented information:
- HAV are to weak to advance a point with competent dedicated AV, Dedicated AV is weaker to the advance of ground units. Use well fit HAV as a force multiplier for ground units.

- Next I am firmly of the opinion that against a good team you cannot use a HAV the way it was used in the video. Case in point sitting and camping. Against good AV and enemy HAV's, a blaster tank not in near constant motion is effectively expensive fodder. Rail tanks can get away with it because of the range advantage. (On the subject of rail tanks, If there were no red line and we had bigger maps it would be possible to flank a rail tank granting them a much softer advantage. I am patently waiting for that day to come.)




My issues with the Video:
- I'll start with my greatest grievance with the video. Its a pub stomp. Never use a pub stomp to prove a point. You cannot complain about blueberries being simple minded on one thread, then pat yourself on the back for redlining them using the HAV equivalent of proto gear in the next. Honestly to prove anything you need to give example of two teams of the same level relative skill. The two militia tanks for example did not last long even when accompanied by your two corp mates Segaris.

- Not every member of large well known corps will be good players. (This is probably even more true in DUST then it is in EVE.)

- Lastly, while it is true that the HAV's power is impressive against limp-wristed disorganized teams, its a little weak when used in corp matches. This video is showcasing a well fit vehicle being used against unprepared foe's. CCP may well continue their war path of heavy handed nerfs making HAV's useless in the high end (just like the Drop Ship) if people use this video and videos like it as leverage to prove an exacerbated point.

So you were getting steamrolled by a group of ORGANIZED INFANTRY and you decided to drop FOUR TANKS as a counter.
And you conclude by saying that everyone will get a tank.
For a First Person SHOOTER?
World of TANKS?

Umm no if thats the way this game is going then theres the leave battle options and the second option of playing Fallout: Boston, Destiny, The Last of Us, etc.

PRO may be the largest known Dust corp, but it is nowhere near one of the best. I played a match on Line Harvest against 4 STB and 4 of some other corp, they dropped a combined 5 tanks in their initial wave, and lost the match horribly because they couldn't take letters while we held 3-4 of the consistently for the first 3rd of the match. 2 of the tanks died fast, and the next two died after a few chases to ic's swarms and AV nade spam. Only one lived, and he was hiding behind the redline for the whole match after his buddies got popped.

I see your HAV and Fighter. Then raise you an MTAC.

Assault Forges makes Tankers cry....

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Forge guns are fine, its the Militia Forge that I have issues with. Nothing that requires no SP investment should be as powerful and cheap as it is. I am saying that as both a FG heavy and Tanker. Militia swarm is ok, maybe a little longer for a lock-on timer to further segregate it from its standard counter part.

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I have used the weapon and have FG proficiency 1. It is plenty powerful and can kill any thing on the field. (Granted it takes a little more effort.) needless to say, it shouldn't. If you cant make it work for you that's a deficiency your going to have to deal with. I am of the opinion that people should have to invest the required SP on the weapon, and at a minimum isk for the standard variant. Assuming some one wants to do more then 2 hit LAV's.