Either buff tanks or nerf Av, never both.

Why I want either or.

But a lot of the tank stuff needs fixed as well, regardless of buff\nerf.

Also marauders (which are battleship like) don't function using siege mode, the advantage from battleships to marauders in eve is their marginally increased utility, which in dust's case would mean adding 2 slots on both, one in low and high. Also the only problems with Av are with Av nades.

Tanks are fine, If people spend the ISK and SP into being an AV character then they should be good at what they do. The problem is the free anti-armour class that provides everyone with more than enough fire power to take out vehicles without any trouble or effort

Swarms are definitely frustrating against both tanks and dropships.
The AV nades though are the thing that is too powerful right now.
You are absolutely right about shield tanks, they take incredible amounts of damage from hitting anything. If you back into an LAV got help your hitpoints. Also the damage indicators in tanks is awful, it's very difficult to figure out where you got hit from or by what.

Swarm trails need to linger about twice as long and it'd be nice if there was some slight plasma trail thing for forge shots just so you could tell what direction you were hit from.
When turrets hit you it is also incredibly difficult to tell where the damage is coming from.

Oh snap! We are doing tanks now! Ok here goes. I think tanks should have a hover ability that automatically kicks on when they are near proximity mines so they don't get blown up. I think tanks should have an emp emitter that jams everyone's radar and cancels out av nades. But for balance it would have cool down period. I think av equip drop suits should show up special on the map like shaped like a tiger or something so you would know how to avoid them. I think tanks need a triple hp buff and need to be immune to orbital strikes. I think tanks need a damage buff for any and all weapons systems. I think anything that can harm a tank other than another tank should be nerfed. I think the ai on turrets should be dumbed down or not work at all because sometimes tankers don't pay attention and start driving directly at an unmanned rail gun and get blown up. I think tanks should have swarm counter missiles. To be fair it's a skill you would have to unlock. I also think tanks should have an increase in turrent turn speed or at least an auto locking feature that automatically chooses the biggest threat to the tank. Oh I've also noticed that sometimes people run up too close to them and they can't shoot them from inside the tank. So, maybe either some kind gas or or flame thrower ports around the tank so you can kill everyone in the tanks blind spots.

Wait a minute, if tanks shouldn't be able to killed solo shouldn't they have to have good gunners to defend from Av? And if they're not using gunners it would be a 1v1 scenario so if the tank is running solo it should be able to be killed solo.

The only Av problems are missiles that turn corners and Av nade's lock radius

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It's good that a tank can be scared away into the redline fairly quickly, with a coordinated AV effort.
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If someone is scaring your tank away OP, I can assure you that it was a team effort!

Tanks are fine

AV nades need to lose ther homing ability, its a cheap way for bad players to get hits on a vehicle because the game makes up for ther bad positioning - Instead the nade should blow up when it hits the vehicle this means the player would actually have to get into a good position and actually throw the nades at the vehicle and not over it or wide knowing that it would it it anyways

All milita AV weapons should have the damage chopped in half, so milita FG does 1200 it would be knocked down to 600 this would at least mean that they have to skill upto basic AV stuff

AV mines need to be more useful, i dont see anyone using them prob becauses AV nades are better

Flux nades need a nerf basic flux do 1200 shield damage

You obviously fail at tanking

I rarely get hit by these things because i gtfo quick

But if you need AV nades to home in because you cannot hit the tank then you are bad at the game

Milita AV is easy street, i do it all the time

AV mines are not used

Flux nades are easy street and way too powerful

Read the thread genius, but i guess that's too hard for an idiot such as you. I argued against the only REAL Av problems which are the homing DISTANCE of av nades amd swarm lainchers turning corners on a dime. I gathered this from being in a militia tank.

Noob

STB calling me noob when they need to drop in 3 tanks into an ambush

Looks like he needs his crutches this one does

1. Double HP? lolno , a bigger buff to marauders yes but not double HP thats dumb

2. AV nades dmg is fine, the range u can toss those things at needs reducing

3. Decrease Missile dmg a bit so they wont 1 shot armor tanks like before, increase splash radius , make em shoot straighter, problem solved

4. Rails are fine as is

5. Collision dmg in general needs to be fixed, cant be hittin small bumps and losing a bunch of shields an ****

6. Swarms need a drastic range reduction or have to maintain a lockon to reach that far. This would diminish the bs, lockon behind cover peek a boo bs along with firing swarms all the ******* way from deployment to ******* C on the construction map.

7. FGs fine. agreed.

8. Shield Hardeners buffed to 15-20 secs, cooldown is fine. Shield tanks arent meant to sit in a hotzone sponging too much dmg.

9. Agreed on kb/m being faster than controller bs needs to be fixed

10. Never played with mouse but here the turrets move slow with it.

11. Marauders need seige modules ASAP to set it apart from standard tanks. Atm its just a beefed up standard tank but not by that much.


Also side note, there is also alot of bs that gives bonus dmg to armor tanks but atm no shield specific infantry AV weapon (no the plasma launcher is not shield oriented its a Hybrid weapon so equal dmg)

I dont know how good LRs are at AV vs proper fitted tanks but i doubt it could be that useful

the problem right now is almost all gunnlogi's and madraugers have proto mods on them. and you were trying to kill them with standard tier stuff(ok maybe a little above standard) you SHOULD have trouble takin out a tank with proto mods. I don't think tanks need a buff they good as is it's the mods that could use a buff(they got an incognito nerf a little while ago) more then 1 guy with proto AV= dead tank 1 guy with proto AV will take out everything but a smart proto tank driver. AV people always forget tiers

My opinion as both a tank driver and a av heavy

Av grenades are to powerful and to easy to use atm 2 options are
1) remove the homing and make it a regular grenade
2) reduce the damage it does
In a buffer fit armor tank 3 packed av grenades will take me out and in the time it takes for a merc to throw them i cant move away from there homing ability since they have no sort of delay

Swarm launchers atm are fine if anything i say reduce there range a little

Forge guns, fine

Tanks themselfs, as an armor tank user its just way to slow off the line granted its buffer fit with 2 plates
Fix for this only needs to be little, just a 10% mass reduction would be fine

There's a few issues with tanks I'd like to have a chat about.


Currently skilled AV can do terrible things to our tanks that will make us corner cry and hide behind the redline or simply die.

It takes only 1 mind you, and AV isn't a hard thing to skill into, the SP requirements are very low compared to tanks.

What I'd like to see is tanks have a double hp buff.

I think it would solve a lot of issues currently,

Some AV things need looked at. AV grenades for 1, we don't even know how much damage they do, but its a lot.

I'd also like to see missile launchers be fixed. At this point they're wasting space in game.

Rails need around a 2.0 meter splash increase.

Shield tanks need collision corrected, you hit one with an LAV or armor tank, and it blows up. Hell you hit a wall and they blow up.

Swarm launchers need either a range reduction or damage decrease. Yes yes people will say they do nothing, that's because your shooting a shield tank, they're made to resist missiles. Armor, not at all. Proto is ridiculous, even advanced your looking at
300 damage per missile times 6 missiles times 4 in a clip.

When one hits you, the others are in the air, combined with range and peek a boo tactics, good luck.

Forge guns are fine. They do exactly what they should.

Shield tanks def need either hp buff or for their hardners to run longer with a shorter cool down.

The keyboard and joystick need to be on equal grounds, the joystick should equal the keyboard.

The mouse needs to be fixed for tank turrets, its terribly bad.

The Surya and Sagaris need to have a better role definition, add siege mode to them, or give them appropriate slots to set them apapart from standard tanks, give Surya 1 more low and Sagaris 1 more high.

Any other thoughts ideas, disagreements are welcome.

I'd like to see what people say and see if we can come to an agreement.

The player base is 90% AR 1% AV 9% assortment.

So please don't just give some wack answer because you drove a militia tank this one time, or use your starter fits.

I'm looking for comments from skilled AV players and tank drivers alike to see where we went wrong in closed beta on balancing these things.

Thanks for the hate in advance!

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Hmm I rarely see Proto AV in games so you may be right on this one. But you have to consider a Proto AV guy is highly specialized for one thing. He can't take on Infantry and gets murdered even by milita infantry. A good tank on the other hand can be good against infantry and vehicles as well. So this seems to be balanced to some degree.