70%
94%

Swarms vs armor
130%
174% (note, due to the battlefield conditions under which I was testing this I only saw for a split second and thus may have gotten wrong)


Forge vs Shields
100%
202%

Forge vs Armor
**have yet to confirm these numbers**

Cheers,
Cross

ps ~ all numbers are base numbers, meaning vs a tank without any resists fit/active.

Can you confirm that these were in consideration of skill bonuses as well?

Why are you bringing the HMG into an AV discussion?

The HMG will only ever have 38% damage efficiency on any vehicle (possibly less for tanks and DS, I dunno), so it doesn't actually function as an AV weapon in any capacity.

It also relies on pure RoF and medium range engagements to pull off significant damage while both the FG and SL are on-hit damage weapons that, if you're good enough, really ought to be hitting every time.

Incorrect, all weapons do not have this effect equally. The Laser for example does not have it at all.

Keeping things in the Forge vs Swarm context however, swarms track their target with no further input from the user meaning you release the trigger and are done. The lock means that you can start paying attention to lining up your shot/taking cover where as with the forge the impact of the shot is more or less instant meaning you have to keep your focus and your aim directly on the target rather than incoming infantry support.

Further the light weapon slot is top of the selection wheel making it an easier/faster swap than the heavy which is directly across from the sidearm (this won't matter so much for a KBM user but for anyone else those seconds are relevant).

Beyond all of that your movement speed with a charged Forge is much slower than with a swarm, making the return to cover/avoidance of incoming support fire all the more difficult.

As far as the 'contrails' are concerned, fire then move (while locking on) and fire again from another position. Something that one should be doing when using swarms. forge, or sniper. The swarms however have the benifit for being able to somewhat mislead the opposition because you can be locking your second shot while on the move something that the sniper and forge cannot do with any great effect (forge in large part because you can't move at a rate notable enough to make your change in position very relevant/effective).

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Cross

The efficiency numbers are (as I understand it) a final modifier, as such they remain unchanged regardless of what skill levels are in play (the skill levels effect the numeric value of the figure that efficiency modifies, not the efficiency modifier itself). Just in case these modifiers function differently than I believe however, my Weaponry was at L5 while my Prof (for both weapons) was at L0. All testing done the same night with the same skills.

Cheers,
Cross

Oh Dear, sorry I had a blond moment. I don't know how, but I'm sorry I'll be updating and recalculating shortly.

EDIT: redline sniper, until you can engage in a mature discussion of the issues rather than ignore the majority of what I've said while (inaccurately) harping, in a snide manner, on an aspect of a single point I raised I'm going to cease responding to your posts as such responses are obviously not being read and thus a waste of my time.

I might not have to guide my Swarm missiles into its target AFTER having shot the SL, but this applies to the FG aswell, because its an instant hit. The time i have to spend in charging the FG, is the same time i have to spend on locking on the missiles.

I'm still standing to my statement, the Swarm is not a shoot and forget weapon, and a heavy suit with a FG still allows its user to switch to its secondary weapon, by tapping R2, just like any SL user and its secondary weapon.

I might not have to guide my Swarm missiles into its target AFTER having shot the SL, but this applies to the FG aswell, because its an instant hit. The time i have to spend in charging the FG, is the same time i have to spend on locking on the missiles.

Something tells me the idea of fire and forget means multiple things to people in this thread.

I used to think that it worked completely by multiplication, but what they actually do is add all the percentages up (I'm pretty sure).
So Weaponry Level 5= +10%
Proficiency Level 5= +15%
Complex Damage Mod= +10%

Sum Damage Multiplier=+35%

It works like this to make sure that damage doesn't get exponentially bigger with skills and mods, more linear. If we were to operate on a system like that, damage dealt from skills alone would look like this...

300x1.02^5x1.03^5=383.979

Separating the skills and multiplying adds more damage than just summing the bonuses and multiplying. However the damage multiplier on stat fittings doesn't increase with skills so I may have to take another look into this.

Incorrect, as far as i know, you take weaponry 10%, multiply the new value by the weaponry proficiency 15%?, then multiply that new value by the damage mods. So around...38% ish.

I just want to add that for it's worth Forge Guns are gangster as ****.