DUST Search - Shield, Armor, Hull

Eris Ernaga wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Eris Ernaga wrote:

Obviously you haven't read the comments and you still aren't understanding "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." While I will admit this thread is a bit more productive then others I simply want a way to prevent all the massive incoming shield damage and a realistic hull for at least vehicles. It would be easy to implement things like repair tools to be able to rep hull or hull reps modules on vehicles.

At no point did i receive an answer to my question and saying "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." doesn't help things. By pointing out a hole in your proposal I am pointing out something that you have overlooked, this is your cue to answer it and to expand on the original idea, what you are currently doing will just stall this thread. On a side note please use comma's it helps make long sentences more readable.

I did answer the question you obviously aren't smart enough to see that, read the above comments and you will see the negative comments. "keep ignorant ideas to your self" applys

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Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:15:00 - [1] - Quote I think they should add hull to vehicles it makes no since they are simply pure shield and armor that means the vehicle doesn't actually exist. Also why when you fall from high up places do you loose shield I really didn't know shield reacted like that? I think a lot of people are complaining about shield tanks running into things and loosing all there shield and a quick fix for this would be adding hull. When you run into an object shields are not effected but armor would start to go down as you ran into things. Reaching 0 armor will not destroy you but after you ran out of armor you would start to loose hull once that reaches zero you explode. Loosing shield makes no real since to me it should damage only armor then hull plus it would resemble more of the Shield, Armor, hull hit point design in EVE.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:30:00 - [2] - Quote Adding hull = good As for everything else, keep terrible ideas to your self
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:47:00 - [3] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Adding hull = good As for everything else, keep terrible ideas to your self Um how is anything terrible it all pretty much focused around the hull. As for posting negative ignorant comments keep them to your self. Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:51:00 - [4] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Adding hull = good As for everything else, keep terrible ideas to your self Um how is anything terrible it all pretty much focused around the hull. As for posting negative ignorant comments keep them to your self. So you're saying having shields not take collision damage at all is balanced? Btw nice comeback newberry
Lt Sprinquello Moordzaken en Co. 16	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:56:00 - [5] - Quote I think the reason we have no hull is because you can be revived. If the hull is destroyed you cannot be revived. Also keep in mind that when you get hit by a grenade and die you cant be revived, as in for forge guns, massdrivers i think.
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:58:00 - [6] - Quote Lt Sprinquello wrote: I think the reason we have no hull is because you can be revived. If the hull is destroyed you cannot be revived. Also keep in mind that when you get hit by a grenade and die you cant be revived, as in for forge guns, massdrivers i think. could implement a simple hull repair along with armor rep
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:59:00 - [7] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Eris Ernaga wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Adding hull = good As for everything else, keep terrible ideas to your self Um how is anything terrible it all pretty much focused around the hull. As for posting negative ignorant comments keep them to your self. So you're saying having shields not take collision damage at all is balanced? Btw nice comeback newberry newberry what even is that? That's why its up for suggestions players complain about taking to much shield damage plus not having hull on a vehicle makes no since because the hull of something is the actual object.
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:01:00 - [8] - Quote "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." obviously you didn't understand it when I said it the first time
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:20:00 - [9] - Quote Making shields take absolutely no collision damage is a bad idea, no discussion required. Like armor it is meant to absorb the impact of any damaging force, you'd end up with the same imbalance we already have except in the favor of shields. Btw this is a public fotum, and I've been here longe. Doors that way ----->
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 385	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:22:00 - [10] - Quote How are they blabbing negativity? And how would it make sense that shields that can absorb high speeds rounds, missles, lasers etc, not be able to absorb impact damage?

Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 18:42:00 - [11] - Quote Obviously you haven't read the comments and you still aren't understanding "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." While I will admit this thread is a bit more productive then others I simply want a way to prevent all the massive incoming shield damage and a realistic hull for at least vehicles. It would be easy to implement things like repair tools to be able to rep hull or hull reps modules on vehicles.
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.20 18:43:00 - [12] - Quote Plus like EVE hull is something you barely go into unless you A. Do not know what you are doing 2. are simply over whelmed by incoming DPS I don't think players would be running so quickly into hulls as somebody might assume. However I still think there should be a downing in shield damage taking from falling, ramming, collisions. I really wish devs would post more so we could here actual game feed back and not just rambled opinions.
Severus Smith ZionTCD Legacy Rising 163	Posted - 2013.02.20 18:51:00 - [13] - Quote We already have Hull, we just don't see it. When we are bleeding out we have taken Hull damage (so our suits are nonresponsive) and when we die instantly its because the damage we took was more than our total Hull HP. Thats why a grenade at your feet will insta-kill you while one a few meters away will put you in bleed out mode. Also why a sniper usually just puts you in bleed out, but if you had low armor will insta-kill you. Vehicles work the same way. It's just that most AV weapons do enough damage to destroy the remaining armor and Hull in the last shot. But, vehicles that are at 0 armor but have some Hull HP left cannot move but their turrets can still fire. It's rare, but happens.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 385	Posted - 2013.02.20 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Obviously you haven't read the comments and you still aren't understanding "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." While I will admit this thread is a bit more productive then others I simply want a way to prevent all the massive incoming shield damage and a realistic hull for at least vehicles. It would be easy to implement things like repair tools to be able to rep hull or hull reps modules on vehicles. At no point did i receive an answer to my question and saying "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." doesn't help things. By pointing out a hole in your proposal I am pointing out something that you have overlooked, this is your cue to answer it and to expand on the original idea, what you are currently doing will just stall this thread. On a side note please use comma's it helps make long sentences more readable.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.02.20 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote +1 for having a Hull bar. -9000 for all the bull**** arguments in the thread. Act like civilized human beings.
M3DIC 2U RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 13	Posted - 2013.02.20 20:39:00 - [16] - Quote I could see a hull bar on vehicles, might make for more differences between builds and also provide for more varience between levels. Not a bad idea. Would you want reduced speed module functionality once hull damage occurs? Or would it just be more hit points? if more HP, then don't know it would add too much.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.20 22:34:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: +1 for having a Hull bar. -9000 for all the bull**** arguments in the thread. Act like civilized human beings. So you think having vehicles take no shield damage for collision is good?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.20 22:37:00 - [18] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Obviously you haven't read the comments and you still aren't understanding "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." While I will admit this thread is a bit more productive then others I simply want a way to prevent all the massive incoming shield damage and a realistic hull for at least vehicles. It would be easy to implement things like repair tools to be able to rep hull or hull reps modules on vehicles. Having hull is a great idea, it's having only armor take collision damage which is a **** idea that screws this thread up. Btw what part of public forum aren't you understanding?
Goric Rumis Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.02.20 23:49:00 - [19] - Quote Let's have hull. Only other suggestion is that hull can't be repaired (unlike armor).
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 170	Posted - 2013.02.21 00:15:00 - [20] - Quote I really like the idea of someone called "Eris" getting upset about too much discord in their threads.

Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.02.21 02:16:00 - [21] - Quote having it combined I see no issue.
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:04:00 - [22] - Quote Severus Smith wrote: We already have Hull, we just don't see it. When we are bleeding out we have taken Hull damage (so our suits are nonresponsive) and when we die instantly its because the damage we took was more than our total Hull HP. Thats why a grenade at your feet will insta-kill you while one a few meters away will put you in bleed out mode. Also why a sniper usually just puts you in bleed out, but if you had low armor will insta-kill you. Vehicles work the same way. It's just that most AV weapons do enough damage to destroy the remaining armor and Hull in the last shot. But, vehicles that are at 0 armor but have some Hull HP left cannot move but their turrets can still fire. It's rare, but happens. that is not true at all there is nothing showing hull or saying hull even exist at this point. There are simply objects with tank and shield and no real indication that these objects even exist.
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:06:00 - [23] - Quote gbghg wrote: Eris Ernaga wrote: Obviously you haven't read the comments and you still aren't understanding "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." While I will admit this thread is a bit more productive then others I simply want a way to prevent all the massive incoming shield damage and a realistic hull for at least vehicles. It would be easy to implement things like repair tools to be able to rep hull or hull reps modules on vehicles. At no point did i receive an answer to my question and saying "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." doesn't help things. By pointing out a hole in your proposal I am pointing out something that you have overlooked, this is your cue to answer it and to expand on the original idea, what you are currently doing will just stall this thread. On a side note please use comma's it helps make long sentences more readable. I did answer the question you obviously aren't smart enough to see that, read the above comments and you will see the negative comments. "keep ignorant ideas to your self" applys
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:11:00 - [24] - Quote M3DIC 2U wrote: I could see a hull bar on vehicles, might make for more differences between builds and also provide for more varience between levels. Not a bad idea. Would you want reduced speed module functionality once hull damage occurs? Or would it just be more hit points? if more HP, then don't know it would add too much. That's a good idea when hit into hull tank catches on fire and begins to slow down and burn down to 0 once it burns down to say 50% it stops moving completely. It would add a low level of protection not really noticeable though and stop armor bleed people have been complaining for armor bleed to stop. Heard a story of someone who was low on his gallente armor and started to burn despite repping back to 25% percent his gallente drop ship malfunctioned and actually hit the ground. ha! Once against I think if a player is about to loose his shield or armor tank he is actually smart enough to pull out of the battle and go charge or rep him self. Lastly hull is the vehicle suit itself the part that catches on fire and breaks down when its hit armor is the tank surrounding it how does tank actually bleed down or catch on fire?
Eris Ernaga Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety 26	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:18:00 - [25] - Quote About not taking shield damage yes i realize that actually would be a bit of a mistake simply because it would throw off the way things works. However shield damage takin from small falls running into objects is very high for shields and has been complained about before.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:23:00 - [26] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: About not taking shield damage yes i realize that actually would be a bit of a mistake simply because it would throw off the way things works. However shield damage takin from small falls running into objects is very high for shields and has been complained about before. Ok, we've both came to the same conclusion now.
Adstellarum G I A N T 6	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:34:00 - [27] - Quote here are the points i think should be used add in hull to all vehicles.. there is no hull for dropsuits because dropsuits are a more advanced form of the armor Knights used to wear...a vehicle should not blow till Hull is depleted but once hull is exposed there is a random chance of it exploding when hit by hostile fire (nothing left to protect the fuel tanks)..... shields should absorb Half of the collision dmg while the rest is sustained by the structure unless the shields become depleted by the collision then additional dmg would be done to the structure of the vehicle get rid of cooldowns on armor reps/shield boosters and instead make them use cap which then requires them to add in mid slots for cap gear and such... add in APCs they would be mobile supply depots which would need to be entered to get a resupply of ammo... the vehicle it self acts like a nanohive but on the APC it will have a module that will allow it to refill the nanohive but it fills at the end of its cycle.. there would be a cool down on it.... infantry should also be able to shoot out with small guns.. so firing swarms or HMG or forge guns would not be doable, though one would be able to switch our their suits which would deplete the nanohive of it..
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.02.21 07:45:00 - [28] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: +1 for having a Hull bar. -9000 for all the bull** arguments in the thread. Act like civilized human beings. So you think having vehicles take no shield damage for collision is good? .... What in the absolute is with this 'community' and their ing assumptions, god it's like talking to toddlers... Let me spell it out for you since you obviously can't use context clues to save your life: +1 (meaning that I am supporting this particular feature) for (the action of) having (implementing the particular feature) a (self explanatory, but if you need me to explain this too I can) Hull (the chassis, the bit beneath the armor) Bar (a representation of the numerical Hit Point value) Where in the did you EVER see 'hell yeah let's make it to where shields don't take collision damage' FFS, I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only son of a *** with intellectual capability around here.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2013.02.21 13:55:00 - [29] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: +1 for having a Hull bar. -9000 for all the bull** arguments in the thread. Act like civilized human beings. So you think having vehicles take no shield damage for collision is good? .... What in the absolute is with this 'community' and their ing assumptions, god it's like talking to toddlers... Let me spell it out for you since you obviously can't use context clues to save your life: +1 (meaning that I am supporting this particular feature) for (the action of) having (implementing the particular feature) a (self explanatory, but if you need me to explain this too I can) Hull (the chassis, the bit beneath the armor) Bar (a representation of the numerical Hit Point value) Where in the did you EVER see 'hell yeah let's make it to where shields don't take collision damage' FFS, I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only son of a * with intellectual capability around here. All of the so called bull arguments against this thread were either misguided into thinking he wanted this to apply to infantry as well as vehicles or against having shields take no collision damage, which more than likely would mean you agree with that *** idea. It's not much of an assumption jack* if you completely ignore something that would become a problem.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 385	Posted - 2013.02.21 15:12:00 - [30] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: gbghg wrote: Eris Ernaga wrote: Obviously you haven't read the comments and you still aren't understanding "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." While I will admit this thread is a bit more productive then others I simply want a way to prevent all the massive incoming shield damage and a realistic hull for at least vehicles. It would be easy to implement things like repair tools to be able to rep hull or hull reps modules on vehicles. At no point did i receive an answer to my question and saying "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please." doesn't help things. By pointing out a hole in your proposal I am pointing out something that you have overlooked, this is your cue to answer it and to expand on the original idea, what you are currently doing will just stall this thread. On a side note please use comma's it helps make long sentences more readable. I did answer the question you obviously aren't smart enough to see that, read the above comments and you will see the negative comments. "keep ignorant ideas to your self" applys I am simply saying that it makes no sense for shields that can handle high speed explosive rockets crashing into them are suddenly bypassed when you crash into something. I asked for clarification about this I did not receive an answer, all I got was some BS about "not understanding" and not being "smart enough to see that". I would also like to ask you to stop repeating the frankly ******** lines "Plus if you feel something needs to be changed offer tips don't just blab negativity on my threads please."and "keep ignorant ideas to your self", these are without a doubt the two dumbest lines I have seen in this section, if you had any sense you would realise that criticism which is what you seem to define negative posts as, is just as important to developing ideas as adding to them is. It forces you flesh out the idea and correct potential mistakes. Oh and the other line, who are you to say an idea is ignorant? no idea is ignorant, just because you don't like doesn't mean that other won't like it, some people might even expand on it and turn it into a better idea than yours. And before you start throwing your crappy lines at me again i am aware that you probably meant "keep this thread on topic" Oh and for the record I actually quite like some of the ideas in here, especially the one about having hulls for vehicles



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