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Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:33:00 - [1] - Quote I like how you get the exile, thats a great starter gun. Also like the 7 day active, need that to start. I think the 20 neo suits should be swaped for BPO's because 60 lives is 6 games for a noob comming in at this point. I also think 2k AUR should be raised to at least 7k AUR so the nub can buy himself a passive to go along with his active, cuz the poor guy needs every skillpoint he can get. I think the starter could be better. I wouldent waste 10 dollars on this, the 20 dollar merc pack is much better for noobs and experienced players alike
General John Ripper Baltar Research 22	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:42:00 - [2] - Quote I agree. only because I like free stuff.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:47:00 - [3] - Quote Yea, that starter kit is worth no more than 5 bucks. 3 dollars would make it a deal. I don't understand why CCP is charging so much for this. Coupled with the increase price of BPOs and this is pointing to something... wonky.
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:53:00 - [4] - Quote Sontie wrote: Yea, that starter kit is worth no more than 5 bucks. 3 dollars would make it a deal. I don't understand why CCP is charging so much for this. Coupled with the increase price of BPOs and this is pointing to something... wonky. Right! This is pretty silly. If you bought 2 starters you would have 14 days active booster and 4k Aur. Buying 2 merc packs would get you 60 days active and 80k AUR. You also gets HUNDREDS more in quantity on merc pack gear than starter. And to top it all of, the merc pack is only 10 more dollars than the starter. LMFAO CCP, is this a joke? CCP needs to HTFU on their micro transactions
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:04:00 - [5] - Quote With what Assault rifle does the the Exile share it stats ?
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:05:00 - [6] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: With what Assault rifle does the the Exile share it stats ? The standard assult rifile with a larger clip. The noob destroyer gun, basically
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:10:00 - [7] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: With what Assault rifle does the the Exile share it stats ? The standard assult rifile with a larger clip. The noob destroyer gun, basically You mean 60 rounds over the 48 the Militia has or more then 60 witch the "Assault Rifle' has ? that post confused me lol
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:15:00 - [8] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: With what Assault rifle does the the Exile share it stats ? The standard assult rifile with a larger clip. The noob destroyer gun, basically You mean 60 rounds over the 48 the Militia has or more then 60 witch the "Assault Rifle' has ? that post confused me lol I am not sure exactly how many it has lol. Ive always used an HMG :)
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:19:00 - [9] - Quote So gamestop has a merc pack that has a new submachine gun bpo alongside the toxin....same price. Eff this over priced starter pack. The Exile is basically a militia assault rifle with a full 60 clip. I hear with better handling too.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:24:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah that pack is just meh.... I made an article about it on Dust514-france in which i clearly say it's not worth it and that at that price, going for a merc pack with an extra 10e or just buying an Aurum pack for the same price is way more interesting. Those 60 suits are just useless imo. The AR, you might as well be sponsored and get the other AR BPO plus the 7 day active booster for FREE.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:25:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks you 2 for answering my question, though feel slightly trolled by Exmaple Core :p When i get nailed by an Exile it feels like all rounds hit me dead center, might just be the guy had good aim but if you say it has less recoil that might explain the tight grouping of rounds i notice when underfire by that rifle.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:27:00 - [12] - Quote The terrible thing is, people are going to buy this pack, which is going to encourage CCP (which I suspect is being pressured by Sony (they pull this kinda **)) to keep doing this kinda stuff. STAHP!! DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR LOVE!!**
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:30:00 - [13] - Quote Sontie wrote: The terrible thing is, people are going to buy this pack, which is going to encourage CCP (which I suspect is being pressured by Sony (they pull this kinda **)) to keep doing this kinda stuff. STAHP!! DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR LOVE!!** Yeah! "we are delicate and bruise easily."
Alben Kamijou Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:10:00 - [14] - Quote Yep the "Exile" Assault Rifle looks pretty much like the Standard Assault.. I did read that it had less recoil though mentioned around the forums~.. Lol those 60 "Neo" suits will last like 1-2 hours.. I agree that this should be only $5~
RHYTHMIK Designs BetaMax. 50	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:15:00 - [15] - Quote Its exactly what the name states, a "Starter" pack. Yes the Merc pack is a better value, but you still get 24,200 Aur worth of stuff when just buying the Aurum right out for the same amount would only get you 21,000 Aur. It is something will allow new players to test out 3 different classes of suit to compare right of the bat. If they were given a BPO, it would have had to have been of one class type which would limit the starting player. Not sure why most are making an issue of this when you most likely got it for free for being apart of PS+.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:21:00 - [16] - Quote Maybe if the Neo suits were special type A's that anyone could wear, that would make it worth the 10. It would give new players a much better idea on what these suits each become once you really start using them too. Edit - Be are complaining because it's poor form and takes advantage of new players who don't understand the value of things yet. It's overpriced. Just because SOME will get it for free does not make this ok.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 761	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:21:00 - [17] - Quote Just so you guys know, we are monitoring the feedback on pricing of these packs versus the perceived quality of the goods we're offering in them. So thanks on any feedback, even if it's "This isn't worth it!" It helps us decide on what to put in future packs and how to properly price them.

Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:23:00 - [18] - Quote But Eterne, this isn't even in the feedback forum... everything in this forum is just trolling
General John Ripper Baltar Research 22	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:24:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Just so you guys know, we are monitoring the feedback on pricing of these packs versus the perceived quality of the goods we're offering in them. So thanks on any feedback, even if it's "This isn't worth it!" It helps us decide on what to put in future packs and how to properly price them. Its good to know that our devs actually listen to the player base and communicates with us! I never played eve before but im turning into a ccp fan.
Mad Mav Brotherhood ofthe Commissioned 22	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:28:00 - [20] - Quote So Frame....how about 80k AUR for free What! I can ask can't I?


CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 761	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:30:00 - [21] - Quote Sontie wrote: But Eterne, this isn't even in the feedback forum... everything in this forum is just trolling Good point. Moving from General Discussions to Feedback/Requests.

Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:32:00 - [22] - Quote Rofl, that was a troll statement. Now this thread will get a lot less attention.
Brush Master HavoK Core 163	Posted - 2013.02.20 14:14:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Just so you guys know, we are monitoring the feedback on pricing of these packs versus the perceived quality of the goods we're offering in them. So thanks on any feedback, even if it's "This isn't worth it!" It helps us decide on what to put in future packs and how to properly price them. The starter packer is over priced in perceived value. Take for example, the dust packs being sold on ebay for $10 I get 20,000 AUR Guristas Saga - Caldari LAV - BPO 7-day active skill booster HK4M Shotgun x 50 Hacked Drop Uplink x 50 Fused Locus Grenade x 50 1.5dn Myofibril Stimulant x 50 Vs the starter pack 1x Exile rifle - BPO 1x 7-day Active Booster 20x "Neo" Assault Type-I dropsuits - BPC 20x "Neo" Scout Type-I dropsuits - BPC 20x "Neo" Heavy Type-I dropsuits - BPC - 2000 AUR The only selling point is the exile. Other than that, which pack do you think you would buy?
DeathStalker Synchro D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 24	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:14:00 - [24] - Quote You guys do realize this is all marketing. I'm not saying CCP is trying to rob you but look at your message and the think about it. Everyone is saying the Starter Pack isn't worth it and it better to just buy the Mercenary pack. So now everyone is buying the Mercenary pack instead and we're all happy. Only thing is you're paying an extra 10 bucks. Which is nothing and shouldn't e considered a problem except for the fact that you originally planned to only spend 10. So now you're paying double in order to get you money's worth. This will only push sales for the Mercenary pack doubling the profit gained from everyone who "saved" and bought the Mercenary Pack instead. Then even if you decided to buy the Starter or like myself you received it for free because you're a PlayStation Plus member. Then, you'll find that you're failing into the same trap as free trials. Think about it. You get 60 suit but for most of you only 20 matter because they're for your chosen class. You lose them within 2-3 or maybe 4 games if you don't use them or die often. Then now that you've had a taste of the Premium stuff you're more likely to repurchase it again. Even if you have absolutely no plans on doing it. After all, 5 bucks goes a long way in Dust. Okay, so now you've run out and need to purchase more but you don't have that small share of Aurum from the same pack. so maybe you decide it's nothing to just buy some more suits. You spend up the Aurum and you're faced with the same problem again. Only this time you've experienced using premium gear and buying premium gear. So like I said what's 5 bucks more. And for those of you who are saying I wouldn't spend my Aurum on some lame suits. Then, what would you spend it on no matter the gear the same result will appear. 2,000 Aurum can only be used to buy expendable items. The same thing goes for the 7 day booster. After you've realized how much more SP you could gain you'll definitely want another even if you don't want to buy it. Hell, if you hit your cap every week you'll see that that booster allow you to gain a much larger amount. You go from 190,400 SP every week without boosters to 285,600 SP with boosters. Like I said I'm not saying CCP is money hungry or is doing this on purpose. But you should really think about this.
Hecarim Van Hohen Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 8	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:46:00 - [25] - Quote Agreed Exmaple, that pack is heavily overpriced and should be adjusted.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 315	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:02:00 - [26] - Quote I was surprised that there were no logistics suits in the pack. It seems like the main point of the pack is "here try the standard level suit of each class without spending SP". I think it will be worth buying for anyone who doesn't already own the exile and that is their primary weapon type. But like many have said, the mercenary pack feels like a much nicer value even when doubling up what you get with the starter pack. The conspiracy theory side of me suspects that the reasoning behind this pack is actually to get new and inexperienced players into the idea of using the consumable Aurum items. CCP will get at least a few people who try the 'Neo' Heavy for example and buy at least a few more of those suits to keep using that class.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries 81	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:07:00 - [27] - Quote I have just downloaded this new starter pack from the psn store and it doesn't show up on my account not impressed ccp !!!!
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:09:00 - [28] - Quote Add an additional 20x Neo Type 1 Logi suits (lets the player try out each role and gives an additional 20 deaths before they have to revert to starter fits). Remove (or reduce) the AUR included but add 1x Passive booster, new players really need this to get started. With these alterations I think this pack would provide both a great intro and a great value. 0.02 ISK Cross
Zahle Undt Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 19	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:11:00 - [29] - Quote Well since Externe encouraged feedback: I agree with the OP and others who say that the starter pack is not a value at $10, but again I've already had an exile. What I really would like to see is a greater variety of Merc packs. Right now our merc pack gives gear that is good mostly for the "up close" scout build. How about some merc pack variety all of which would come with the 30-day booster and 40K aurum. For example: Assault merc pack: Swap out the shotgun for 50 of the gauss rifle 50 fused locus grenades 50 basic armor plates 50 neo type-1 assault suits Keep the toxin or introduce a scrambler pistol equivalent Logistics merc pack: Swap out the shotgun for 50 of an equivalent flaylock pistol 50 fused flux grenades 50 CPU ubgrade modules 50 neo type-1 logi suits Keep the toxin or introduce a scrambler pistol equivalent Heavy merc pack: Swap out shotgun for 50 of equivalent plasma cannon 50 fused AV grenades 50 Basic damage mods or something 50 neo type-1 heavy suits Keep the toxin or introduce a scrambler pistol equivalent I think you get my drift, put together a pack for every class, would be a great way to introduce those new weapons we've been salivating for, for a couple months now maybe. And I would bet CCP would make some decent cash too.
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.20 20:04:00 - [30] - Quote I made a post about this last night but it was buried usrevenge2 wrote: First off, yes for now with PSN+ it's free, but the price in the store is actually $10. Lets look at what you get and compare it to the $20 mercenaries pack Starter Pack 1x Exile rifle - BPO 1x 7-day Active Booster 20x "Neo" Assault Type-I dropsuits - BPC 20x "Neo" Scout Type-I dropsuits - BPC 20x "Neo" Heavy Type-I dropsuits - BPC - 2000 AUR lets be honest here, the best things here are the aur, booster, and rifle BPO. Mercenary pack (from gamestop since it's the best version I know of) 40000 Aurum to spend in-game, a 30-day skill booster 'Dragonfly' Scout dropsuit x 1 (Unlimited) Syndicate' Submachine Gun x 1 (Unlimited) 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun x 1 (Unlimited) HK4M Shotgun x 50 Hacked Drop Uplink x 50 Fused Locus Grenade x 50 1.5dn Myofibril Stimulant x 50 you get 38,000 more aurum, a 30 day instead of 7 day booster, dropsuit BPO, and SMG BPO for only $10 more. I think it's a little lopsided when you look at it. why would buy the starter kit over the merc pack? I think the starter kit needs a boost, instead of 2000 aur give 20,000 aur instead of just a 7 day active booster give a 7 day active and 7 day passive. this increases the value much more and puts it in line with the mercenary pack, at least IMO.

boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 8	Posted - 2013.02.20 20:06:00 - [31] - Quote if this is the only way to get an exile rifle then its not bad a spend. it would replace my bought with isk ar's and save me up to a quarter of my winnings per match. adding something eles to the pack would make it a must buy for myself. though i am tempted to get it anyway.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. 133	Posted - 2013.02.20 20:15:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Just so you guys know, we are monitoring the feedback on pricing of these packs versus the perceived quality of the goods we're offering in them. So thanks on any feedback, even if it's "This isn't worth it!" It helps us decide on what to put in future packs and how to properly price them. Just a suggestion. Why not have a pack for every class that would give noobs a choice of heavy, assault, logi, and Scout. Each with specific militia weapons, mods, grenades, Dropsuits for that class. Maybe some know what they want to do or be in Dust and all the other stuff is just fodder to them. ? PS: The Merc Pack is the only pack newberries should buy.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.20 20:52:00 - [33] - Quote +1 for class (or hey how about Race when those variations are introduced) editions of the Merc Pack.
drake sadani Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.02.20 20:58:00 - [34] - Quote Mad Mav wrote: So Frame....how about 80k AUR for free What! I can ask can't I? here here free stuff
Goric Rumis Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.02.20 23:25:00 - [35] - Quote Going back to the Starter Pack... Having gotten it free via PS+, I would never have spent $10 on it. Then again, I already have an Exile BPO from the closed beta, which is probably the most valuable part of the pack. I also have the Skinweave BPO's, so the Neo suits are less valuable to me (even if they're better). I don't know, maybe this would be worth it for someone who has none of these. In my opinion, though, you're trying to offer more than $10 worth of value, but in a way that only newer players would be able to reap the full benefit. Here are a few alternative ideas for improvements (choose no more than one): 1) Go with the pattern in the EVE starter pack and give a 30-day booster instead of a 7-day. 2) Give players everything they need to try out several different kinds of fits. You're already giving them 20 of each Assault, Heavy, and Scout suits, load them up with 5 each of several different kinds of weapons (maybe an HMG, forge gun, shotgun, SMG, and laser rifle) so they can get a sense of the options. Stuff that isn't in the four standard starter fits. 3) Give them 5 low-level vehicles of each type (LAV, HAV, dropship), again so they can get a sense of the options. Maybe specially fitted for a new player. 4) Or simply give more aurum. The stuff is more useful in Dust than in EVE. I'm against this in general, though, because the starter pack should be about helping the new player figure things out, and giving more aurum doesn't do that. On another note, I think we should also be including Logistics-class elements. A starter pack that gives me a chance to try out all the basic classes before I really start my specialization would be truly valuable, and Logistics is a part of that. Another option is to do with the starter packs what people are suggesting with the Merc packs, which is specialization. With the starter pack, however, there would inherently be less specialization. So you could have a frontline pack, a support pack, a pilot pack, etc. And they'd each give you the ability to try out a variety within that category (example, frontline could be assault/scout/heavy, support could be sniper/logistics/AV, pilot could provide a variety pack of vehicles). You'd have to classify it in a way that you'd be hitting people who prefer a certain style (middle of the action, away from the action, etc.) with each pack. Just some of my thoughts on the topic.
DJINN Rampage Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 8	Posted - 2013.02.21 00:03:00 - [36] - Quote you should reduce the price on merc packs by at least 5 bucks like seriously? 20 bucks? there's DLC for half that on other games. that come with hours of more content. id understand if we got fused locus BPO's for it but id have to buy one every week just to keep those in stock! reduce the price just buy 5 bucks please and ill buy twice the amount im buying now.
Ghural The Southern Legion 63	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:09:00 - [37] - Quote Personally I think these packs would be much better value if they had Dropsuit BPOs instead of the weapon BPOs
WR3CK HAVOC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:12:00 - [38] - Quote Why in the merc pack did the scout get an smg which is a sidearm instead of a shotgun?
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:29:00 - [39] - Quote WR3CK HAVOC wrote: Why in the merc pack did the scout get an smg which is a sidearm instead of a shotgun? I love my toxin! The new starter pack sucks, however, that maybe because I already have an exile. The cost is much too high for the other things. Very little aur and just a 7 day booster. For half the price of the merc pack, i'd expect it to be atleast half as good. The merc pack is pretty good at determining the value to cost ratio. I'd rather see different types of merc pack's. 30 day booster, 40k aur but with different items and bpo's to fit your playstyle. Even if the bpo's are just the same as the militia bpo, but with a different name, i'd think ppl would like this better.
Atlas Exenthal mnemonic. 30	Posted - 2013.02.21 02:06:00 - [40] - Quote Not worth it IMO. 20x suits? New people will burn through those immediately. Exile BPO? Will be worthless to them after a week. 2k Aurum? I don't use the stuff for anything other than booster, so no comment. For $10, you get 21k Aurum; aka 3 weeks of boosters. THAT, imo, is better value.

Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.21 18:50:00 - [41] - Quote give em good stuff they can't get outside of the pack, like those fused grenades. that plus aurum is like crack to people. They'll get hooked.
GaryLifo THE DOLLARS 3	Posted - 2013.02.21 19:00:00 - [42] - Quote Got this free as psn plus member... Yet it doesn't show up in the game when I select my character like the merc pack did when I bought that. Any ideas?
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:56:00 - [43] - Quote GaryLifo wrote: Got this free as psn plus member... Yet it doesn't show up in the game when I select my character like the merc pack did when I bought that. Any ideas? e-mail support, because it should be showing up just like the Merc pack did. (wouldn't want you not get your goods ) Cheers, Cross
Alderstaz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.23 20:38:00 - [44] - Quote It feels like a money grab. except for the Exile, its pretty much worthless. You would not get this as a starter. Youd get a Merc pack. Only get this if it was free. And by time the Merc pack was half done, the Exile would be useless too. Seems like a promo event for Sony to increase PS+ membership so CCP is taking them to the bank offering nothing for "10 dollars"... So far only money grabs by CCP, no content or substance yet.
Ted Nugget SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 74	Posted - 2013.02.23 21:35:00 - [45] - Quote I will tell you what I don't like. CCP giving away beta event items. Makes me wonder why I even participated.. FYI I didn't read this entire thread


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