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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 20:50:00 -
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Now I got your attention,
Logistic drop ships.
I actually had one repping my madrugar last night, the rep is incredible, of course though,
He got 1 shot and slammed into the ground, due to impact not health reasons,
What's the range on these suckers? Anyone been using them much?
If we could get DS's fixed, my god these could be battle turners big time as troop and tank support.
Rep the tank while dropping out troops.......such a Vitale role in this game, but hasn't ever been fixed.
Thoughts? |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.18 20:54:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Now I got your attention, Logistic drop ships. I actually had one repping my madrugar last night, the rep is incredible, of course though, He got 1 shot and slammed into the ground, due to impact not health reasons, What's the range on these suckers? Anyone been using them much? If we could get DS's fixed, my god these could be battle turners big time as troop and tank support. Rep the tank while dropping out troops.......such a Vitale role in this game, but hasn't ever been fixed. Thoughts? 2 things: One, logistic dropships don't come with Remote Reppers, they have a CRU so their name should be changed from Logistic to Tactical to stop confusing people. Secondly, remote repper range is absolute terrible! I had to sit on top of a tank to even get a reading to get the lock! However I didn't have to sit on the tank to repair him, but I couldn't leave a small bubble. |
Mithridates VI
New Eden Research Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.18 20:55:00 -
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Range is pretty limited. I only briefly played with repairing tanks from a dropship before deciding it was ridiculous. Had to basically park on top of the tank. Could lock on while hovering above but the aiming isn't very friendly and even if you fly in tiny circles while repairing, you're a big ridiculous target. Because you both need to be behind cover anyway, it's more efficient to park up entirely, get out and use repair tool. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:06:00 -
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I'd really like to see them change DS's,
They need a serious buff, and pg cpu.
For such a vital role it plays, which honestly if they functioned they'd be more important then any other vehicle on field.
Its funny how they just keep being neglected, even their WP's have been bugged since day 1 |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:07:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Now I got your attention,
Logistic drop ships.
I actually had one repping my madrugar last night, the rep is incredible, of course though,
He got 1 shot and slammed into the ground, due to impact not health reasons,
What's the range on these suckers? Anyone been using them much?
If we could get DS's fixed, my god these could be battle turners big time as troop and tank support.
Rep the tank while dropping out troops.......such a Vitale role in this game, but hasn't ever been fixed.
Thoughts?
Was it a Eryx or Prometheus? I feel that the Gallente dropships are more sturdier than their Caldari counter parts. I also carry repair tools with me. I have noticed I get 3 - 5 seconds more to start repping my Gorgons than my Vipers which means I am able to keep them alive longer. I have been in a couple of dog fights with blasters too and the Gallente comes out on top. |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:09:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:I'd really like to see them change DS's,
They need a serious buff, and pg cpu.
For such a vital role it plays, which honestly if they functioned they'd be more important then any other vehicle on field.
Its funny how they just keep being neglected, even their WP's have been bugged since day 1
+1 to this.
The derpships need to become dropships. I have lots of throwaways that are decently specked and used for corp battles. Would love to see some increase in CPU/PG. Sgt Nova Star has the best dropship I have ever seen. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:09:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Now I got your attention,
Logistic drop ships.
I actually had one repping my madrugar last night, the rep is incredible, of course though,
He got 1 shot and slammed into the ground, due to impact not health reasons,
What's the range on these suckers? Anyone been using them much?
If we could get DS's fixed, my god these could be battle turners big time as troop and tank support.
Rep the tank while dropping out troops.......such a Vitale role in this game, but hasn't ever been fixed.
Thoughts? Was it a Eryx or Prometheus? I feel that the Gallente dropships are more sturdier than their Caldari counter parts. I also carry repair tools with me. I have noticed I get 3 - 5 seconds more to start repping my Gorgons than my Vipers which means I am able to keep them alive longer. I have been in a couple of dog fights with blasters too and the Gallente comes out on top.
Was a Prometheus, damage didn't kill him, just the push from the swarms nailed him into the ground.
I assume from what people have posted, is because he has to be so close to lock me. |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:13:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
Was a Prometheus, damage didn't kill him, just the push from the swarms nailed him into the ground.
I assume from what people have posted, is because he has to be so close to lock me.
The environment damage is friggin ridiculous. Talk about over nerf. Once I was flying a just about touched a building. My 3000 Hp gorgon went down to 0. Luckily I got out just in time to start using my repair tool and rep some of its health back. With the vipers I couldnt do that.
They need to reduce the environment damage by atleast 50% or heck 25%. IThem dropships need some surviveability.
On the other hand it is still fun crushing snipers with my derpship |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:13:00 -
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Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:16:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind
Have you seen the new dust video? DS's rep tanks.
I know they get the clone reanimation which free's up 1 slot for a repper. But the gal versions it doesn't really help |
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:16:00 -
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Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind |
Arunis Gen
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:19:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:[quote=Y0UR NAME HERE]I'd really like to see them change DS's, The derpships need to become dropships. I have lots of throwaways that are decently specked and used for corp battles. Would love to see some increase in CPU/PG. Sgt Nova Star has the best dropship I have ever seen.
Until he comes and plays with my Dropship. : P
Yeah the Logistics Dropships need to have a serious overhaul on their stats and functions. The only good thing they are for right now are redline blockade running and Lolshipping. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:19:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind
Yes you said that already lol.
Point still remains they're under powered. A lot. |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:20:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind
Its called a logistics dropship dum dum. Look under the logistics tree. Repairing in one of them. Just saying you dont have to pull a QG just because he is your CEO. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:23:00 -
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Oh and I got rep'd by an LAV yesterday too,
Man just would love to see more of this stuff.
It really brings the eve spirit of cooperation.
How many LAV drivers you know will keep spawning and dying to swarms just to follow your tank around and rep it, kudos to him |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:26:00 -
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Oops double post |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:28:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind Have you seen the new dust video? DS's rep tanks. I know they get the clone reanimation which free's up 1 slot for a repper. But the gal versions it doesn't really help Yes but repping isn't even in the description of logistics dropships, as in it's a capability but not an intended purpose |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:33:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Technically logistics dropships are meant to be soldier logistics, not the repairing kind Its called a logistics dropship dum dum. Look under the logistics tree. Repairing in one of them. Just saying you dont have to pull a QG just because he is your CEO. I'd rather pull a QG than go full ****** any day. Point out where in their description it says that their logistical role is to repair, logistics means transportation too dumb dumb |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:36:00 -
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Dropships need:
- Wp for spawning people (+25 for mobile cru)
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
- +100%/200% range bonus for remote armor and shield reppers
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:38:00 -
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I feel that CCP Blam! has great ideas for the DS on paper, but hasn't actually experienced them in game.
There are so many things like Remote Shield Repair that are great in theory, but absurdly impractical in reality. It has also been reported that he was unaware that he ordered explosive paint and had no idea DSs have been exploding due to rubbing up against objects. The Afterburner module sort of works, but you can find yourself bouncing off the ceiling and dragging on it at a pace no faster than normal flight. However the "snowstorm effect" makes it appear that the ship is still going fast. What's ridiculous is that the effect streams at you from the front of the ship even if you are moving straight up. It's a constant effect as long as the module is active and the only reason for it is to say "OMG, you are going SO FAST!" even if you aren't.
The hard flight ceiling is immersion breaking, claustrophobic, and only serves to make the ships constantly vulnerable to AV.
The Logistics ships are less useful than the standard versions.
The WP system treats them as gunships even though they the not suited for the role (since the "Great Missile Nerf").
They have neither the active or active defense systems required to fulfill their various roles on a hot battlefield (rep a tank and find yourself a much more vulnerable target than the tank). |
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Mithridates VI
New Eden Research Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:40:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
Suggestions for avoiding exploitable drop WP?
Otherwise what stops me dropping a friend repeatedly behind our red line, or being rewarded when people get out because I'm flying about aimlessly?
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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:50:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
Suggestions for avoiding exploitable drop WP? Otherwise what stops me dropping a friend repeatedly behind our red line, or being rewarded when people get out because I'm flying about aimlessly?
This is actually in game, however since day 1 CCP said its bugged and they'll fix it soontm.
Year later. |
Mithridates VI
New Eden Research Foundation
164
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:52:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
Suggestions for avoiding exploitable drop WP? Otherwise what stops me dropping a friend repeatedly behind our red line, or being rewarded when people get out because I'm flying about aimlessly? This is actually in game, however since day 1 CCP said its bugged and they'll fix it soontm. Year later. I'm totally for being rewarded for carting people around but curious how they'll decide whether it's a reward-worthy drop. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:54:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
Suggestions for avoiding exploitable drop WP? Otherwise what stops me dropping a friend repeatedly behind our red line, or being rewarded when people get out because I'm flying about aimlessly? This is actually in game, however since day 1 CCP said its bugged and they'll fix it soontm. Year later. I'm totally for being rewarded for carting people around but curious how they'll decide whether it's a reward-worthy drop.
I think its supposed to be like drop up links, the mobile cru is supposed to award points. |
Mithridates VI
New Eden Research Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:58:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: I think its supposed to be like drop up links, the mobile cru is supposed to award points.
Oh, yeah. I cut out part of the post I quoted.
Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for spawning people (+25 for mobile cru)
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
- +100%/200% range bonus for remote armor and shield reppers
I was specifically responding to being rewarded for dropping people separately from being rewarded for spawning people.
Like, if I pick someone up and drop them at an objective, I get a reward for assisting in that... but I don't know how they would prevent exploitation by picking people up and dropping them repeatedly.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:09:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: I think its supposed to be like drop up links, the mobile cru is supposed to award points.
Oh, yeah. I cut out part of the post I quoted. Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for spawning people (+25 for mobile cru)
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
- +100%/200% range bonus for remote armor and shield reppers
I was specifically responding to being rewarded for dropping people separately from being rewarded for spawning people. Like, if I pick someone up and drop them at an objective, I get a reward for assisting in that... but I don't know how they would prevent exploitation by picking people up and dropping them repeatedly. One of the idea's i saw floating around was to award the pilot points for whatever the guy's who dropped out of the DS did, like killing enemies, hacking the objective, basically like the squad leader commission you get when your squad carry's out order's. Of course you need to limit it, so say you only get points for what they do for 30 seconds after they drop out. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:09:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: I think its supposed to be like drop up links, the mobile cru is supposed to award points.
Oh, yeah. I cut out part of the post I quoted. Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships need:
- Wp for spawning people (+25 for mobile cru)
- Wp for "dropping" people, be it an assist or a fixed amont of wp
- +100%/200% range bonus for remote armor and shield reppers
I was specifically responding to being rewarded for dropping people separately from being rewarded for spawning people. Like, if I pick someone up and drop them at an objective, I get a reward for assisting in that... but I don't know how they would prevent exploitation by picking people up and dropping them repeatedly.
Ya they actually are both in game already, just bugged.
I don't remember exactly what the bonus was, rep range and lock range needed.
And post above for the later of your post |
Jonny RIC0
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:15:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
Was a Prometheus, damage didn't kill him, just the push from the swarms nailed him into the ground.
I assume from what people have posted, is because he has to be so close to lock me.
The environment damage is friggin ridiculous. Talk about over nerf. Once I was flying a just about touched a building. My 3000 Hp gorgon went down to 0. Luckily I got out just in time to start using my repair tool and rep some of its health back. With the vipers I couldnt do that. They need to reduce the environment damage by atleast 50% or heck 25%. IThem dropships need some surviveability. On the other hand it is still fun crushing snipers with my derpship
We need to be careful about any environmental damage nerf.
Those who remember the days of bouncing dropships annihilating everyone on the ground will agree. I think the 1st bump should eradicate the shield but leave your full armor intact. If you hit the ground or a building again after that its your own fault. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
150
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Posted - 2013.02.18 23:01:00 -
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Just started playing with drop ships and HAVs. Wish I hadn't waited so long to try them out.
Regarding environmental damage, it seems high, particularly at relatively low air speed. It seems bugged though because I've seen some dudes survive pretty rough un-level landings, while myself getting rolled into a fireball for tapping a building the wrong way.
On a separate note, would love to see:
1. A heavy drop ship fit some kind of RDV-like tractor beam to extract or insert piloted LAVs/HAVs in the "burn zone". 2. Drop ship supply module that works like mobile depots for swapping fits and reload on infantry pickup. 3. Specialized armament for laser guided weapons target painted by a squad member on the ground 4. Bigger maps where drop ship is a requirement, not a luxury. :-)
Just throwing out some fun ideas. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 23:10:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Just started playing with drop ships and HAVs. Wish I hadn't waited so long to try them out. Regarding environmental damage, it seems high, particularly at relatively low air speed. It seems bugged though because I've seen some dudes survive pretty rough un-level landings, while myself getting rolled into a fireball for tapping a building the wrong way. On a separate note, would love to see: 1. A heavy drop ship fit some kind of RDV-like tractor beam to extract or insert piloted LAVs/HAVs in the "burn zone". 2. Drop ship supply module that works like mobile depots for swapping fits and reload on infantry pickup. 3. Specialized armament for laser guided weapons target painted by a squad member on the ground 4. Bigger maps where drop ship is a requirement, not a luxury. :-) Just throwing out some fun ideas. 1)could be very cool, not sure if it would be used much though 2)ammo yes, dropsuits no. I can understand a DS carrying ammo but not loads of different dropsuit types 3)wait for the Gunships and Fighters 4)definitely yes |
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