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AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:50:00 -
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Like the concept but if you have been playing for a while you have a significant advantage over other players. And because the Skill points accumulate so slowly you will maintain that advtange pretty much without challenge. |
Thumb Green
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:53:00 -
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That's how MMORPG's work. The vets will always have an advantage. |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:54:00 -
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Gonna have to disagree as us closed beta players got a few weeks head start on open beta guys and the newberries that don't sucked at the game are very good and do compete |
Ryanki
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:00:00 -
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they'll prolly always have more sp... but for a certain build, theres only so much sp that can go into it, so in theory even new ppl will be balanced with vets if they play long enough
Like for example, a vet will have more sp, but with the extra sp after say an assault build, he'll just have more to goof off with, while a newer person can get the same assault build, just simply not extra to mess around with. But 1 v 1, their skills being used can be exactly the same. |
AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:01:00 -
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Have to disagree with you both. Played other MMO's and as FPS the difference is significant. And its not about skill when your guns armor and loadouts are supperior and catching up is about impossible becuase of how slow SP builds up. |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:06:00 -
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AdamCern wrote:Have to disagree with you both. Played other MMO's and as FPS the difference is significant. And its not about skill when your guns armor and loadouts are supperior and catching up is about impossible becuase of how slow SP builds up.
Taken down very well armored heavies with a militia gun many times... intact usually I only use militia
Its about skill |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:06:00 -
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It's baked into the system. Increasing SP rewards isn't going to magically let you catch up to the vets, because they'll be getting SP faster as well.
Having 700k and fighting someone with 3 million hurts, but having 3 million and fighting someone with 7 million is way more competitive. |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:08:00 -
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I will disagree as well. I started this character a month after Open Beta (had SP thrown in seemingly random spots plus wanted to change my name and race/merc HQ). Only a few days in and I already feel on par for the most part.
They give you more than enough starter skill points to quickly make a viable suit fitting for public matches. And it doesn't take too long to max out a particular fitting. There quickly gets to the point where skill points can't make your favorite fitting that much better, so the only advantage long time players will have is more variety in what fittings they choose. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:10:00 -
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So what, if someone picked up this game 3 months after launch, of course they're going to be behind. Happens in EVE too. |
AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:10:00 -
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Have to disagree with you. It's not like this is the first game I have ever played. |
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zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:10:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:I will disagree as well. I started this character a month after Open Beta (had SP thrown in seemingly random spots plus wanted to change my name and race/merc HQ). Only a few days in and I already feel on par for the most part.
They give you more than enough starter skill points to quickly make a viable suit fitting for public matches. And it doesn't take too long to max out a particular fitting. Their quickly gets to the point where skill points can't make your favorite fitting that much better, so the only advantage long time players will have is more variety in what fittings they choose.
This is correct very correct |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:12:00 -
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It's an MMORPG, the game IS balanced since that Vets do have the advantage of more SP as they should, It's an MMO to that extent. Why would anyone play a game where you don't get better than other players by playing.
What MMO have you played that a new player can start today and do better than someone whose been playing a month?
The answer really is that Dust is the only PvP MMO that enables new players to take down Vets.
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:12:00 -
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AdamCern wrote:Have to disagree with you. It's not like this is the first game I have ever played.
Disagree with who on what?
You can't hope for a meaningful debate if all you do is say "Lalala I'm not listening." |
AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:13:00 -
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It's not a debate. |
The Infected One
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:14:00 -
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The week head start that we closed beta testers got over the open betas is negligible after a month because you should have your core skills fleshed out and have begun to specalize anyway.
We are now into our 2nd month of "open beta" and people are complaining that the players who started day 1 of open beta are too far ahead of them. TFB, there is always goig to be someone ahead of you in an online game of any type. You don't like that I might have a couple hundred thousand SP lead on you? Grind your ass off after you reach the cap for the week (Can be done in 1 day if you can afford to play all day) and then the rest of the week till the reset is bonus as there is no hard cap on SP, just the 1000-1500 soft cap which is a hell of alot better than the daily cap that we had when us closed beta testers "had our head start" as a way of saying thank you for putting up with he previous 6 months of game breaking glitches/bugs, and in the beginning ONLY BEING ABLE TO PLAY ON THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THE SERVERS WEREN'T UP DURING THE WEEK.
Thre will always be hardcore players who are ahead of you because they can afford the time to play more than you. If you are one of those hardcore players who is just now getting into it and pissed off because you can't grind and grind and catch up/ pass the older hardcore players, TFB, grind away as much as you can and pray to whatever god you believe in that they are forced to take a day/week/month off so you can maybe catch up. |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:15:00 -
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AdamCern wrote:It's not a debate.
You posted your opinion on the forums so everyone could say " oh I totally agree"
What fantasy world do u live in? |
AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:22:00 -
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I live ina world where you level up at a pace that gives you a chance to compete. |
undeadsoldier90
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:22:00 -
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I will give you an instant win build.
1.create new character, use arbiter build.
2.buy aurum
3. put the remaining skill points into assault DS, AR operation, light weapon sharpshooter, weaponry, CPU upgrade.
4. use aurum to buy Neo assault a series ( 3 highs,2lows,1 equip, 1 grenade, 1 side arm.)
5. fit 3 complex light dmg mods in your high slots, cpu extender in low and armor rep or plate in low.
6. run blindfire AR.
Grats you have a broken lvl 1 dropsuite that does 43 dmg per shot. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:22:00 -
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lol at these responses...this is not a RPG. I agree OP the skillbook system puts newbies at a ridiculous disadvantage. Unfortunately many of these people think that they can treat characters in an arena shooter the same way they treat spaceships in a fantasy role-playing game and get positive results. Little do they know that competitive FPS games do not work this way. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:23:00 -
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AdamCern wrote:I live ina world where you level up at a pace that gives you a chance to compete.
I get positive KD with militia fits all the time.
HTFU |
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zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:26:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:lol at these responses...this is not a RPG. I agree OP the skillbook system puts newbies at a ridiculous disadvantage. Unfortunately many of these people think that they can treat characters in an arena shooter the same way they treat spaceships in a fantasy role-playing game and get positive results. Little do they know that competitive FPS games do not work this way.
Rofl this is to an rpg!!!
It is a game related to eve made by ccp
Is fallout not an rpg Cu's its fps?
Is borderlands not rpg cud its fps?
Whatchu thinking bro? |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:34:00 -
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zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:lol at these responses...this is not a RPG. I agree OP the skillbook system puts newbies at a ridiculous disadvantage. Unfortunately many of these people think that they can treat characters in an arena shooter the same way they treat spaceships in a fantasy role-playing game and get positive results. Little do they know that competitive FPS games do not work this way. Rofl this is to an rpg!!! It is a game related to eve made by ccp Is fallout not an rpg Cu's its fps? Is borderlands not rpg cud its fps? Whatchu thinking bro?
If Activision connects Call of Duty to EVE servers and CCP gives EVE pilots the ability to call in killstreaks for Call of Duty players, would that suddenly make Call of Duty a MMORPG? |
AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:35:00 -
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Truth be told I am enjoying the game quite a bit. Just wish SP went up a little quicker. I think this is an awesome design and has alot of depth. When it finally releases it will only get better. I am also starting to play Eve and looking forward to getting better at that as well. |
AdamCern
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:37:00 -
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I am having trouble with my mic. I am using a Astro mix amp but I don't think anyone can hear me. I have heard some folks speaking though. Changed my PS3 settings to mix but I don't know what else to do. I must have something set up wrong. |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:39:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:lol at these responses...this is not a RPG. I agree OP the skillbook system puts newbies at a ridiculous disadvantage. Unfortunately many of these people think that they can treat characters in an arena shooter the same way they treat spaceships in a fantasy role-playing game and get positive results. Little do they know that competitive FPS games do not work this way. Rofl this is to an rpg!!! It is a game related to eve made by ccp Is fallout not an rpg Cu's its fps? Is borderlands not rpg cud its fps? Whatchu thinking bro? If Activision connects Call of Duty to EVE servers and CCP gives EVE pilots the ability to call in killstreaks for Call of Duty players, would that suddenly make Call of Duty a MMORPG?
No but if they added stats that needed to ne updated and a peristant world and large scale social interactions then it would be mmorpg |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:39:00 -
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Check your audio input section. I'm pretty sure the Astro mic inputs through the USB port, so make sure you have that selected. |
Ras Vicious
Doomheim
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:42:00 -
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Simple solution, match people with nearly the same SPs in the same match. Problem solved whiners.
This game ops just like Eve, the skills give a small edge.
Only thing i see wrong right now, balance wise. is the Keyboard & mouse player is far overpowered. and i know, cause im running it. i turn faster, i aim faster, everything. its like im playing BF2142 all over again.
if this game stays KB&M and the game is succesful, get a keyboard and mouse. srsly
PS: 650K Skill points. Went 24&6 last match. top of my team, SP dont mean nuffin |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:46:00 -
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AdamCern wrote:Like the concept but if you have been playing for a while you have a significant advantage over other players. And because the Skill points accumulate so slowly you will maintain that advtange pretty much without challenge.
Once vets have a place to go that offers more rewards new players will have a fighting chance. |
Thumb Green
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:58:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:f Activision connects Call of Duty to EVE servers and CCP gives EVE pilots the ability to call in killstreaks for Call of Duty players, would that suddenly make Call of Duty a MMORPG?
Upgradable stats are what define an rpg in the video game world. If DUST didn't have those it would just be an fps connected to a mmorpg just a CoD would be if it were connected to EVE without having stats added to it.
You know what I do when I come across a subject I have absolutely no clue on? I don't make a fool of myself by talking about it as if I knew what I were talking about. You should try it sometime. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.17 04:00:00 -
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You will be able to catch up and stay competitve.
Here is the thing: at a certain point, any player will accumulate enough total SP and max out all the skills for his specialization. This moment will take place in different time for everyone, but once the player has hit this barrier, he/she can't progress any further down that skill branch. End of the line.
Now, where will new SP go? Into other specializations and branches, which the vets will be starting from anew, just like any newcomer would. Thus, it's only a matter of time once you'll be able to stay competitive with the veterans, if you feel the gap is too wide at the moment. We exclude FPS skill from this altogether, though; truthfully, such skill may cross all SP boundaries.
P.S. As it has been mentioned before, quickening the SP progression will not change anything, since the difference in progression speeds of a vet and a new player will stay the same. |
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