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Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:44:00 -
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I can't beat them 1 on 1. I have a CRG-3 shotgun and I can never OHKO a heavy, even in optimal range, and I always die before I get the second hit in. How do I deal with them? Or should I just run like hell, pray that I dodge it's range before he notices me, and wait for somebody else to deal with it?
Right now I'm a Logistic with 499 kills and 1005 deaths. As you can see I'm not the best at this game, not even intermediate level. So sorry if I sound like a noob(because I am). |
Treemugger
I mug trees.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:54:00 -
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The #1 most important thing that is absolutely important to one-shot heavies with
is the Complex Damage Mod and the Weaponry V it requires.
Don't tell anyone I told you on this public forum here. Don't want word getting out.
Also the Logistics is a bit slow to be running a shotgun with, I think. Don't know how fast they actually are there. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.02.16 00:18:00 -
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Unless you're using all those equipment slots the assault suit would probably make a better shotgunner. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.16 00:30:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Unless you're using all those equipment slots the assault suit would probably make a better shotgunner.
I am using those slots. Nanite injector, Repair Tool, and Nanohive when I'm not using Artificer/Logistics Type-II. I use a shotgun because I learned early that I can't aim worth **** and I suck in firefights, so I might as well be using the shotgun, since I'm getting the same amount of hits if I was using something else. That's also why I'm a Logistic to begin with. |
Ser Chard
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:52:00 -
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Honestly don't expect to go toe to toe with a heavy even with a shotgun in his face.
Take a shot and duck for cover. Use a nade to buy time for shields to regen if needed (bonus if you do damage with it - learn to cook them) and repeat.
Your advantage is speed and shields - you can take a shot or two and be back up to full shields before his even start to kick in. Just gotta whittle him down - don't let his shield recharge. Try flux grenades. Your speed can help outrun his tracking if you're close enough.
I recommend breach shotgun for this - you should be letting shields regen, so you may as well reload.
If you are with an ally, flank him and he'll be pretty easy prey as long as you can close the distance.
If your shields drop, duck for cover even if you think one more shot is enough - I've died countless times trying this only to leave me dead and the heavy with 0 health but still alive. You can jump and hope you get lucky but its best to wait for your shields - he is too slow to escape without cover from allies.
Edit: you can also try remote explosives at corners and lure him to it. |
Alderstaz
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.16 10:59:00 -
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Several hints:
A properly equipped heavy would usually require either two players or time which you should not gamble on. Safest to stay away. If you have to, make sure you can walk them over a grenade and shoot them in the back. Type B Logi suit would suit you better because it is faster/has more stamina. If they can get you in their scope, you're dead. The number one issue against heavy is that the number one rule of staying alive/killing others does not work against them. It gets you killed usually. You do not want to walk them into your sights. Because that means they are facing you...
You might be confused by seeing someone kill a militia heavy suit. That's a death trap against most people.
Your load out suggests you're trying to play support role. Getting war points should not be you priority. Your priority at all times should be to stay alive. That's why you have poor K/D. You saw someone dead and went to help. There is a reason they are dead... Why are you walking into same trap... So run near/with other players, don't go exploring ahead. As long as you're at least using level one weapons, you should be able to get k/d near one. Are you sure you can't aim, or are you rushing in? Trying to aim at a scout next to you is near impossible with their speed versus your turn radius.
Level one grenade let's you have THREE grenades.
Type B( level 2, 4, 2nd 5) is usually better suit for whatever you are doing.
Swarmer sucks, ( pros all jump out of tanks/ships). Use A/V grenade and proximity mines. Lob the grenade over the jeep, it will home down. Much better then trying to get it near. And this way you have your weapon of choice and are not a sitting duck. And don't get level 5 of anything yet. It costs the same as getting level one through four...
Its too hard to see yourself, but your reticle turns red when you can hit targets properly. And most important, headshots do a lot more damage. One time it was showing 110% on body versus 160-ish versus head. If you are wondering about weird deaths... |
Psi R
IT'S NO USE
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:07:00 -
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Going up close against a heavy is generally not a good idea, consider it a weakness of your niche role as a shotgunner.
However, Heavies do have weaknesses that you can exploit.
1) They're slow, jump around and circle your opponent fast. Hit him from the back if possible. Players with gamepads are especially slow to turn and will typically die to this.
2) Since they're slow you can often disengage from them if it goes sour.
3) Most heavies use shield-tanks. Use flux-grenades to kill their shields and they'll die quickly. Since they're slower they also have it more difficult to run away from grenades. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.02.17 05:51:00 -
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Just to add a different opinion, I only have one Shotty Suit and it is a Scout. I use it for capping objectives, slipping around the sides of battles, sneaking and gathering information on the Reds.
I am not good at it yet but OHKs are the order of the day. If you do them right otherwise the Shotty is a suicide mission waiting to kill you.
Scout suit advantages are faster walking and sprint speeds. Add stamina with a Prof Mod. Maybe a High Powered Slot with Efficiency scanning mod as well (whatever it is called).
Never shoot anyone in the face. Shoot them in the back of the head. Or just the back. Be prepared to run like the dickens if the second shot doesn't take them down.
Did you know that walking doesn't trigger high scan signatures? You can turn nearly invisible with the right Skills and mods. Until you shoot them.
As for Heavies. A Logi Shotty will die almost every time. Stop that!
For Logi Bro I run an AR. Not the fanciest nor the really expensive ones. Just a 60 round clip and I try to (as stated above) level the playing field with grenades as well as shooting them in the head while they are gunning down my Blue Buddies. From the side or the back if at all possible.
Otherwise, run. Get cover. Be careful. The Logi Suit is the second Slowest suit in the game. Don't ever forget it. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
411
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Posted - 2013.02.17 17:39:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Otherwise, run. Get cover. Be careful. The Logi Suit is the second Slowest suit in the game. Don't ever forget it.
Until you kit it out with speed mods.
Then it's the fastest. |
Alderstaz
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.17 18:07:00 -
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Level 2 suits of each type are different and serve a different purpose(except for Assault where only at level 5 does it matter). The level two Logi suit is as fast as an Assault suit, both types basically(.1 difference). Level 5 Logi suit, 2nd variant(speed/sta for one Eq slot) is actually faster than both Assault suit variants. And arguably a very good hybrid Assault fitting second only to the shield Assault suit. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.02.17 23:45:00 -
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If you're running a shotgun, remember you still need to be sneaky
Heavies have the worst scanning skills- take advantage of this. |
Mute Horse
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.18 07:23:00 -
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You don't. You run away screaming like a little girl.
It's laughably easy-mode going for a heavy with HMG. I am.
Whatever whoever says it's easy mode, period.
I dominated the battlefield from the get go with SENTINEL militia dropsuit with HMG and continued to dominate it more with Heavy Type I.
I was worried only about the players who had Duvolle AR's or more skilled heavys. |
GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.18 07:31:00 -
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Mute Horse wrote:You don't. You run away screaming like a little girl.
It's laughably easy-mode going for a heavy with HMG. I am.
Whatever whoever says it's easy mode, period.
I dominated the battlefield from the get go with SENTINEL militia dropsuit with HMG and continued to dominate it more with Heavy Type I.
I was worried only about the players who had Duvolle AR's or more skilled heavys.
Cool story bro. |
Repe Susi
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.18 07:44:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Mute Horse wrote:You don't. You run away screaming like a little girl.
It's laughably easy-mode going for a heavy with HMG. I am.
Whatever whoever says it's easy mode, period.
I dominated the battlefield from the get go with SENTINEL militia dropsuit with HMG and continued to dominate it more with Heavy Type I.
I was worried only about the players who had Duvolle AR's or more skilled heavys. Cool story bro.
Ain't it bro.
And all true. |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.18 07:46:00 -
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To take out a heavy with an HMG first make sure you have a weapon that will deal a lot of damage with just one shot. So right now either a shotgun or a scrambler if you can manage to hit the head. Having Weaponry Level V helps too. Now if you run across a heavy head on RUN. If you see cover to the side run to that and then out of the heavies range, otherwise just run straight back. This does not however mean ignore the problem and leave it for someone else, you can handle this on your own. Once you get out of sight, attempt to sneak around to the heavy's backside and give it a couple shots with your high damage weapon. Heavy's have terrible scan detection so this is quite easy. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 09:26:00 -
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I'm surprized no one's told this guy the truth about Logi and shotguns.
Logi's have a much larger hitbox then assaults do - it makes our HMG that much more effective against you then any other class save another heavy. If your rolling shotgun your role is to support another heavy and make sure no one comes close.
My advice to you if you have poor gun game is drop the shotgun and pick up the Mass Driver. Shotgun Logi's have no chance against anybody - really. |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.18 09:47:00 -
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I actually ran a shotgun logi for quite a bit and have to disagree. Truth of the matter is if you play Logi the first thing you need to do is find a friendly heavy and become his best friend. From my experiences the heavy would take out anyone at a range fairly quickly so you don't need an AR and people always try to flank heavies so most of the actual gun combat I encounted as a logi was up close, making the shotgun perfect. The larger hit box never really mattered since most my time I was behind a heavy with an even bigger hit box anyways.
Of course I never tried mass drivers (nor do I care to. In fact it's the only weapon in this game I have never fired) and haven't bothered getting into the corporation scene so my opinion on what works best isn't completely informed. |
M3DIC 2U
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:36:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I'm surprized no one's told this guy the truth about Logi and shotguns.
Logi's have a much larger hitbox then assaults do - it makes our HMG that much more effective against you then any other class save another heavy. If your rolling shotgun your role is to support another heavy and make sure no one comes close.
My advice to you if you have poor gun game is drop the shotgun and pick up the Mass Driver. Shotgun Logi's have no chance against anybody - really.
I second the call to switch to mass driver... but don't run it until skilled to lvl 3 as the basic one just doesn't do enough damage for the low shell count.
Pair up with a heavy or a few assaults and work to flank or distract. As the medic you are not the first in your face attacker but the secondary mop-up or bait. Speed modules will aid in this too so you can run faster and longer. |
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