DUST Search - My Opinion of Dust 514

Sir Eos wrote:

Yagihige wrote:

And you figured out all that in 2 games.

Yeah, right. You're either really stupid or a troll.

I'm betting you didn't even spend your SP to improve your skills before going into battle. Then you did the most noob and ignorant thing possible by spawning with a sniper rifle thinking you'd shoot people at close quarters. If an HMG killed you and you think that was sniping range, you've got to be insane.

I sure did spend my SP.

Why do you think I mentioned the entire 'time invested' aspect of my complaint?

DUHR!!!!!

And yes, 2 games is all it took for me to figure out how stupid this game is.

And no, I was not attempting CQC with a sniper. These were sniping distances that I was being sniped out from with anything other than a sniper. By the time I would crouch waiting for the thing to stop swaying, I'd either be dead, or moving in an attempt to avoid being shot dead by the weapons in question.

Just for the record, I go into EVERY FPS game as a sniper first. I judge a game on how it handles the sniper class.
And this game failed.

I started my Halo Career as a Sniper (Whenever I could get to it first). It was pleasing and fun to play from the first moment that you picked the weapon up and used it.
I started my BF:BC2 Career as a sniper first. It was pleasing and fun to play with and learn the bullet drop, distances, etc.
I started my Dust 514 Career as a sniper first. And it took 2 games for me to uninstall the game.

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Sir Eos Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:25:00 - [31] - Quote Keep defending this garbage. Won't change the fact that it is garbage. You're assuming I don't know how to play tactically as a sniper in a game like this. You're all assuming I'm attempting to play it like it's a mindless 'run around like a rambo chicken with your head cut off' CoD clone. You have no idea what I was doing during these matches to even defend it on those points. Just admit that you love a peice of garbage, and move on.
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 8	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:27:00 - [32] - Quote Sir Eos wrote: Keep defending this garbage. Won't change the fact that it is garbage. You're assuming I don't know how to play tactically as a sniper in a game like this. You're all assuming I'm attempting to play it like it's a mindless 'run around like a rambo chicken with your head cut off' CoD clone. You have no idea what I was doing during these matches to even defend it on those points. Just admit that you love a peice of garbage, and move on. i have admitted i enjoy this game. you called it garbage. and if you got "sniped" by a hmg then you sir are a idiot that is not sniper range the maps are not egg cartons.
Anndy Dusty Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:29:00 - [33] - Quote Sir Eos wrote: Keep defending this garbage. Won't change the fact that it is garbage. You're assuming I don't know how to play tactically as a sniper in a game like this. You're all assuming I'm attempting to play it like it's a mindless 'run around like a rambo chicken with your head cut off' CoD clone. You have no idea what I was doing during these matches to even defend it on those points. Just admit that you love a peice of garbage, and move on. clearly your doing all of the above but anyway why are you still here if the game is such garbage? CCP will not change their game just because you dont like it so your just wasting time at this point
Lt Sprinquello Moordzaken en Co. 16	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:31:00 - [34] - Quote Why does this person has 1 like????
Sgt S-Laughter SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 22	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:33:00 - [35] - Quote Unfortunately even with calmer words I fear the OP would be met with the same lines... "Go back to CoD" "It's only BETA" "You obviously just suck." Well I tell ya guys - I feel this op's pain. This game is NOT fun to play. Currently it's not fun when I'm losing, and it's not fun when I'm winning. I feel there are no tactical solutions to the game. I feel there is no teamwork to be had. These are the things "I feel" when I play this game. How a player feels when they play is important. The game is pvp, and someone is going to win, and someone is going to lose. This is true for every PvP experience, whether it's a fighting game, rts, moba. It happens whether it's a team strategy fps like MAG, or a run n gun random shooter like CoD. Every time I hear people calling CoD "easy mode" I wonder if they have some serious misconception, as if everyone goes 25/0 there. It's pvp, for every kdr > 1:1, there is a kdr < 1:1. The game is easier to get into, but not easy to master. The game is definitely more basic in it's elements, there is no persistent world, or anything really beyond the instance of the game and your unlocks, but it is not easy mode. In fact CoD sort of hyper-rewards skill throwing any noob under the bus giving the guy on a 10 kill win streak an aerial unmanned attack vehicle. League of Legends game designers Zilean and Morello spend a lot of time discussing with the LoL community about game design and balance. From them I've learned to pay attention to how I feel in a game. In many games winning feels great. Going on a 25 kill streak feels awesome! But how does it feel to be the guy spawned into a random kdr match against 4 ppl who are acing the entire map in a tank squad? Do they feel like they have any power over the game? Or do they simply feel they are facing something that is overwhelming and they might as well red-line snipe, afk, or even uninstall... IMO - DUST is a fantastic concept for how an fps can be integrated into an MMO, giving the fps a depth and persistence which is currently unrivaled. This is a seriously ambitions design goal. IMO - CCP is ruining their concept with horrible CoD copy-cat game designs while throwing the solid and important ideas into the trash "b/c they're too hard." Take tanks for instance: In CoD you can go on a kill streak to get all kinds of excellent boosts. In DUST you can earn money from kill streaks to fund these from the start of the game. Both of them give you an undeniable advantage over the average joe. In MAG the vehicles were much more limited in their mobility. They couldn't drive anywhere and everywhere. This meant that a foot squad could actually hold down an objective as the tank was simply area denial, not a straight to the letter killing machine. Also a few rpg would drop the vehicle quickly, meaning original positioning had to be prepared. DUST tanks are so beefy that unless you're facing a squad dedicated to AV you can simply drive to another corner of the map. In CoD spawning is random, and 2-3 people can dominate a game through sheer killing power. In DUST the same holds true. 1 solid squad can dominate a game. It really is a feat in pub stomping just how effectively 4 people can shut down a 32 player game just with their kdr potential. In MAG the objectives were the real targets, and it was best illustrated with the ninja NON-kdr shenanigans constantly played out through every game mode. I've seen games won in MAG where the MVP players has less than 3:3 score for the match. And finally in how DUST and CoD reward their players -> kills = points = perks. Get a kill streak? You get a winMOAR button ala aerial assault vehicles, turrets, nukes, tanks, orbital strikes. In MAG if you wanted to call in an aerial strike you better take their aa down first. If you wanted to stop the mortar barrage you dropped their mortar battery. The initial battle was a constant contest for destroying and repairing the forwards spawns, and the penalty for losing them was dire. Not only was there potential to ninja-demo the bunkers, there was also the counter play of ninja-repairing them to revive a fallen front line and re-surge the defense to a victory. When I play DUST, the single thing that sticks out to me in EVERY match is the 90% sheer chaos that ensues. There is no structure, there is no order. This really seems like a CoD clone to me. We have the random spawn kdr fest, and the random spawn, multi-point king of the hill... We have no objective game play, we have no team driven experience, we have no tactical decisions... And the rewards are all fueled by the KDR currency...
BuRnEr himself The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:35:00 - [36] - Quote Sir Eos wrote: Keep defending this garbage. Won't change the fact that it is garbage. You're assuming I don't know how to play tactically as a sniper in a game like this. You're all assuming I'm attempting to play it like it's a mindless 'run around like a rambo chicken with your head cut off' CoD clone. You have no idea what I was doing during these matches to even defend it on those points. Just admit that you love a peice of garbage, and move on. Lol. You sir are doing it wrong. Even a 5 minutes old character can be a good sniper. Without skills and just the basic mods. Sure you can be countersniped but thats the game. If a heavy gets you your doing it wrong. If you get spawnkilled dont spawn there. Yes we all love this piece of garbage. Its just you that needs to move on
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:35:00 - [37] - Quote Ignore the OP all you want guys, but he DOES bring up a few good points. As a MAG player myself I do find it silly that in it's current state MAG is still way ahead of Dust when it comes to the actual FPS mechanics. The voice chat change is fluid, setting FRAGOs is fluid, opening the map is fluid, running around is fluid... I hope you see where I'm going with this. At the same time, the Dust Defenders also has a point. It's in beta etc etc etc. But....... try telling that to the people who rage at being spawn camped. A real life friend of mine who I got to download and try Dust said similar things (yet have persevered and now like Dust) as the OP. The way I see it is that as long as Dust 514 can keep a big enough playerbase to make it to the PS4, only THEN can we call Dust a success (from a players point of view). I can live with a crappy client that tries to do more than the PS3 can handle. I can live with clunky FPS mechanics because I have seen how bad the were and how it has actually become better at this stage. As long as Dust makes it to the PS4 intact CCP finally has the hardware to create the game they want to. So here's me crossing my fingers... So diss the OP all you want... but remember that his views are not unique and telling him to HTFO is ignorant and just blinding yourselves to the truth... Dust 514 needs more work to be a good shooter, let alone the AAA title CCP wants it to be!
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 9	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:36:00 - [38] - Quote Sir Eos wrote: Yagihige wrote: And you figured out all that in 2 games. Yeah, right. You're either really stupid or a troll. I'm betting you didn't even spend your SP to improve your skills before going into battle. Then you did the most noob and ignorant thing possible by spawning with a sniper rifle thinking you'd shoot people at close quarters. If an HMG killed you and you think that was sniping range, you've got to be insane. I sure did spend my SP. Why do you think I mentioned the entire 'time invested' aspect of my complaint? DUHR!!!!! And yes, 2 games is all it took for me to figure out how stupid this game is. And no, I was not attempting CQC with a sniper. These were sniping distances that I was being sniped out from with anything other than a sniper. By the time I would crouch waiting for the thing to stop swaying, I'd either be dead, or moving in an attempt to avoid being shot dead by the weapons in question. Just for the record, I go into EVERY FPS game as a sniper first. I judge a game on how it handles the sniper class. And this game failed. I started my Halo Career as a Sniper (Whenever I could get to it first). It was pleasing and fun to play from the first moment that you picked the weapon up and used it. I started my BF:BC2 Career as a sniper first. It was pleasing and fun to play with and learn the bullet drop, distances, etc. I started my Dust 514 Career as a sniper first. And it took 2 games for me to uninstall the game. So.... your argument is that the sniper class is ...too hard to play? You must be doing it wrong mate, half the threads on these forums are about how easy the sniper class is. When was the last time you heard of a sniper getting out in the open in any real war? From my (admittedly inexperienced) observations, snipers are lying down on a hill somewhere well over 500m away picking off targets. This game seems to play pretty true to that.......... You claim to have been killed by a heavy. The optimal range for a heavy is ~38m (iirc) with a max of ~65m (iirc). You were about 300 meters too close!
Midas Man ll Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance 38	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:47:00 - [39] - Quote Sir Eos wrote: Good job on catering to a select handful intellegent player with lots better to do than spend time curb stomping 5 year olds in COD. If you had actually made it accessable to kiddies (read dumb down to COD levels) So i dont have to face real competition and can show off my awesome kiddie murdering skills to my friends then i might like it. Here's what my first 2 games consisted of right before I quit and uninstalled it. I'm fighting against the sway of my weapon. Cos i haven;t figured out how to shoot because COD as always shot for me. Then I was stood out in the open so no obstical got between me and my intended easy kill and no way man i died thats against all FPS rules. Then, the spawn killing commences. I prefer it in COD where we Spawn kill the enemy its no fair when it happens to me. Seriously. I should GET OUT OF THE FPS BUSINESS! I have no clue WTF I'm doing! FPS should never be about skill. PERIOD. The game shiould hit head shots for you how else are you suppose to kill. . Fixed that for you. You should learn to man up and be honest, rather than blaming the world for you own shortcoming.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:49:00 - [40] - Quote +1 Sgt S-laughter and @Berwyck. I agree with your post except the PS4 comment. I have been here since at least May and whenever anyone brings up a problem the response is often 'its a beta'. Now however I am starting to see wait till PS4 is out. Well this game was supposed to be released at Christmas - who knows what the timeline is now. Does CCP?. Movement, control clunkiness, spawning issues (just as a starter of issues) have been resolved in other PS3 games. We dont need to wait for the PS4 for this to be fixed.

Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 170	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:53:00 - [41] - Quote Talruum Tezztarozza wrote: Seriously, OP have no clue WTF he is doing. Talruum, you always did have a way with being blunt and to the point. Granted I've got months of experience on new guys, but I still die a lot, and honestly if people read things around Training Grounds, or even just played the game with some patience, not expecting to jump into a match and come out cutting people's heads off with a 30/2 KDR using an SMG like a laser sword of death like HALO or CoD, then posts like this wouldn't even exist. Yes, I get how ridiculous that SMG laser sword of death thing is, that's the point. Leave me alone, I'm tired.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:57:00 - [42] - Quote Congratulations, you made a poorly thought out rage post with almost no real feedback, in the wrong section of the forums!

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 753	Posted - 2013.02.13 11:58:00 - [43] - Quote Locking this for ranting and trolling. If you have legitimate opinions about DUST 514's gameplay and wish to have discussions on them, please write a calm, reasonable post about the matter on our Feedback/Requests forum.



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