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RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:55:00 -
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I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor? |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:57:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor?
lcd won't help but do you have an HDMI cable hooked up. if not tht might be your problem. |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:59:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor?
Ha ha, I remember this problem when I switched. Here's what I was told (might be true, might not). Because many TV's use things like "true motion" to generate smoother playback, it has processing time. So when playing a game, you experience visual lag. Meaning what you're seeing has already happened.
Solution 1, play on a CRT.
Solution 2, Some companies have a video mode called "video games" that turns off all graphic buffs, stripping the TV's processing time down to allow quicker response.
To test, try moving your control stick, and wait to see how long it takes for you to see a response. On many HD TV's there's significant lag. Now plug it into the CRT, and you'll see a difference.
You can also check to see if there's newer firmware for the TV, sometimes it improves the performance.
EDIT: As mentioned above, use an HDMI, if you're using component, the TV has to also upres the image SIGNIFICANTLY delaying what you see. |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:00:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor? lcd won't help but do you have an HDMI cable hooked up. if not tht might be your problem.
Yeah, I'm running it w/ HDMI...the problem is the game seems a lot more "jerkier" when playing on the HDTV. When I'm playing, the TV is in Game mode to make it as lagless as possible, and I've tried different resolutions but no dice. |
develsgun
Phyrexian Engineering
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:02:00 -
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Its natural give it some time the human element has to adjust
Basically u had been riding a 150cc motobike for years gotton used to it knew every piece of it by heart while riding it u forgot u were riding a bike as it felt as natural as ur own 2 feet. Now u upgraded to a 250cc motobike but ur uneasy and out of place. The bike is heavyer has more power and leaves u feeling like ur riding a camel backwards.
Long story short u just got to get use to the new hardware |
GetShotUp
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:07:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor? lcd won't help but do you have an HDMI cable hooked up. if not tht might be your problem. Yeah, I'm running it w/ HDMI...the problem is the game seems a lot more "jerkier" when playing on the HDTV. When I'm playing the TV is in Game mode to make it as lagless as possible, and I've tried different resolutions but no dice.
Damn, I was going to say to set it to game mode, but it looks like you're having some other difficulties or idk, maybe its just the TV itself.
I went from a "brain TV" to a 42" LCD TV. I'm not good with tvs at all, but maybe the LED has something to do with it? I don't even really know the difference but when i was looking for a gaming TV, they said LCD over LED. I also remember it having to be 1080p and not 720p
Sorry, I'm not sure if this helps you at all or if I'm just looking dumb. just trying to help |
N1ck Comeau
REGULATORS OF VALOR
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:09:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor?
I downgrade from a big 45" tv to like a 20 something and i was Terrible for like a month but then u get used to it, give it time |
Anndy Dusty
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:15:00 -
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what brand is it? some of them have horrible response times but most of the bigger brands are usually acceptable |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:15:00 -
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Thanks for the responses. I'm going to mess around with it a little more. Like most of your are saying, I probably just have to get use to it. |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:16:00 -
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Anndy Dusty wrote:what brand is it? some of them have horrible response times but most of the bigger brands are usually acceptable
Its an Insignia |
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GoD-NoVa
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:16:00 -
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for one thing playing on anything bigger than a 20-30" tv is the wrong thing to do |
usrevenge2
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:19:00 -
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when I switched to HDTV it took me like a week to get used to it, trying to play in crap CRTs now though is impossible. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:19:00 -
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Check in your PS3's settings to make sure everything is fine for your TV. Mess around a bit. Also, does the same thing happen with other games? If yes, just get used to it.
I strongly suggest changing a few video settings and seeing if it helps. HDMI might even be a problem. |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:20:00 -
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GoD-NoVa wrote:for one thing playing on anything bigger than a 20-30" tv is the wrong thing to do
Ok...I was thinking it may have something to do with the size. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:21:00 -
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Was the tv cheap(ish)?
what is the on-screen-delay (or whatever that's called)?
If it's over 5ms the tv is poor for fps games.
5ms or under is what you want.
My monitors are 2ms. |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:24:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Check in your PS3's settings to make sure everything is fine for your TV. Mess around a bit. Also, does the same thing happen with other games? If yes, just get used to it.
I strongly suggest changing a few video settings and seeing if it helps. HDMI might even be a problem.
I haven't notice any difference in any other games I play. I play a lot of fighters which, those of you know, are frame-specific games. And there's no drop off in my play with those games. But yeah, I'll continue to mess around with the settings, and may try using composite instead of the hdmi. |
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ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:25:00 -
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Try using a smaller hdmi computer monitor for comparison I agree with nova anything larger may seem better but you're straining your eyes going from corner to corner. I much more prefer to play on my Sony 24 in 3d monitor than my 42 in tv I use in the living room. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:31:00 -
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I don't know, 32-42" are generally fine with FPS games. They're not the best, but with an HDMI it should be fine. |
Anndy Dusty
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:31:00 -
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like some of the others i prefer smaller and with Dust i like to use my mouse and keyboard to i have the PS3 setup on my desk and using my 24" monitor but with that said i usually play other games with a 50" LCD and i really dont notice much diff
i could be wrong but i seem to remember plasma actually have the best response times but are prone to burn in so have to really be careful using those for gaming |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:33:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Was the tv cheap(ish)?
what is the on-screen-delay (or whatever that's called)?
If it's over 5ms the tv is poor for fps games.
5ms or under is what you want.
My monitors are 2ms.
Ok...yeah this TV has a 6.5ms response time. Oh well, guess I'll be looking in to getting a monitor if I can't improve on this TV. |
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RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:46:00 -
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I was told to reduce the sharpness, and it does seem a little bit better.
Edit: Actually after looking at the Game mode, a lot of the advanced stuff was still set to on. I've turned those off as well and there is an improvement. I played a game, still not as good as I was on the CRT, but a helluva lot better than my previous games on the HDTV.
I think I may just try to find a LCD monitor like I had back in the day. I believe it had a 2ms response time. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:51:00 -
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you just have to get used to your new setup, its like breaking in a new controler |
RHYTHMIK Designs
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:52:00 -
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slap26 wrote:you just have to get used to your new setup, its like breaking in a new controler
You're probably right. |
Anndy Dusty
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:55:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Was the tv cheap(ish)?
what is the on-screen-delay (or whatever that's called)?
If it's over 5ms the tv is poor for fps games.
5ms or under is what you want.
My monitors are 2ms. Ok...yeah this TV has a 6.5ms response time. Oh well, guess I'll be looking in to getting a monitor if I can't improve on this TV.
ouch ya the standard for gaming is really 5ms or better, the response time plus your ping plus the time it takes you to actually react are all a huge factor
[EDIT] somehow missed your replay when i asked for the brand, ya my friend has an Insignia and they are a bit rough for gaming, someone told me that are actually made by Samsung but i really dont know |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:57:00 -
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Just adjust
Beware: this period of adjustment can lead to temporarily sucking. Also try to avoid playing dust on any TVs other than your gaming TV of choice, or else people will assume you've always sucked. |
Rustonius
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:59:00 -
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It may be your viewing distance. With your monitor you sit so that you see everything on the screen. With a TV you usually sit so that it is immersive. You sit so that the TV is bigger then your vision, so your peripheral vision is parts of the screen not the wall. So its like you're in the scene. That's doesn't work for fps games you don't want to turn your head to see the guy on the far sides of the tv. You want to be able to scan the entire screen with your eyes and not your neck. As you can imagine, your eyes move significantly faster then your neck.
Tldr maybe sit further away a little. Or closer if you're squinting. Try that.
RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor?
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James-5955
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:03:00 -
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Yup, I can't stand playing on big screens.
I find 24 inch widescreen is perfect. |
Kwik Draw
Traitors Function
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:28:00 -
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slap26 wrote:you just have to get used to your new setup, its like breaking in a new controler
100% agree |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:40:00 -
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GoD-NoVa wrote:for one thing playing on anything bigger than a 20-30" tv is the wrong thing to do
I play on a 58" plasma AND IT'S AWESOME |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:06:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Was the tv cheap(ish)?
what is the on-screen-delay (or whatever that's called)?
If it's over 5ms the tv is poor for fps games.
5ms or under is what you want.
My monitors are 2ms. Ok...yeah this TV has a 6.5ms response time. Oh well, guess I'll be looking in to getting a monitor if I can't improve on this TV.
6.5ms response time is nothing. I have a 6 year old Samsung 32" LCD with 8ms response time and it works just fine for FPS online games. It may not have the smoothest movement in terms of looks, but the miniscule delay is a non-factor. I don't even think the human eye can detect any difference between 1ms and 10ms.
The amount of lag you have via your network connection trumps anything the TV has, likely by at least 10 fold.
Just think about how fast a millisecond is, it is one-thousandth of a second. A human eye blink is about 300-400ms on average. Heck, the amount of time it takes for the wireless signal from my computer to reach my router is between 1-2ms, but for all intents and purposes... it is instant.
As others have said, not only is the TV bigger but the technology is different as well (pretty big difference between how a CRT looks vs a LCD). It's just something you have to get used to. Try sitting further away (or closer), and search the net for picture calibration settings for your specific model (AVS forum is a good start).
EDIT: Also yes, any picture enhancements, such as 120hz smooth-picture-soap-opera stuff, turn off. |
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Alina Heart
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:11:00 -
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HDTV's have a long response time while CRTV's have 0.
For shooters it's not really a huge issue issue as it's to get used to the more you play on it.
Fighting games is where an Issue like this really comes into play. I still play on a CRHDTV aka. A big fat box for this sole reason. |
Dusty Mokong
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:11:00 -
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IMO and experience, Screen Size / Resolution affects Controller / Mouse sensitivity.
I've switched between 20" and 32-40" regularly and I had to keep adjusting my sensitivity until my jerk response is the way I like it. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:13:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:HDTV's have a long response time while CRTV's have 0.
For shooters it's not really a huge issue issue as it's to get used to the more you play on it.
Fighting games is where an Issue like this really comes into play. I still play on a CRHDTV aka. A big fat box for this sole reason.
I think Plasma's have 0ms response time as well, but burn in potential on a video game (with HUD stuff always in one spot) is a concern. |
the BAD FurrY
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:13:00 -
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RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:I've been playing Dust since August on a 20" CRT TV, and I think I'm pretty decent skill wise. I just recently bought a 42" LED TV and my gameplay is atrocious when I'm playing on it. But if I go back to my 20", I'm back playing good again. I don't know why its affecting me.
Anyone else run into this, and if so any solutions? Could it be the size of the TV affecting my play, meaning I should go for maybe a 22-24" LCD monitor?
O BOY HERE WE GO !!! I CAN SEE IT HERE !! |
OMI43221
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.02.12 18:31:00 -
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develsgun wrote:Its natural give it some time the human element has to adjust
Basically u had been riding a 150cc motobike for years gotton used to it knew every piece of it by heart while riding it u forgot u were riding a bike as it felt as natural as ur own 2 feet. Now u upgraded to a 250cc motobike but ur uneasy and out of place. The bike is heavyer has more power and leaves u feeling like ur riding a camel backwards.
Long story short u just got to get use to the new hardware
Get use to what...lag?
Like what has already been said turn on game mode if your TV has it. Otherwise welcome to the new world order.
You could also hook your PS3 up to a monitor like others have stated. They generally have much better response times than HDTV s
As an FYI...the 2ms 5ms 6.5ms quoted times are usually total BS. I have seen plenty of real world testing of this and although they give a general guide on what is better and what is worse there is a huge amount of variability so a TV that says its 2ms could actually be slower than one that is 6.5ms. HDTVs on the high end usually introduce a frame of lag roughly 15ms(real world) or a bit more ones that don't do processing quickly can be much worse at 3 or 4 frames of lag. |
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