Not the ones with sniper rifles. I'm talking about the people that purposely wait for you to weaken an enemy to snipe that last little bit of health away. I hope they fix this as to where in these situations, the person who has done the most damage, takes the kill and the other, the assist.

Do you run into these type of people?

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I see a red in a position where I can shoot them and do damage, I don't hesitate to do so. The game (and most shooters) often moves too fast to think about whether I'm "stealing" someones kill. I've seen teammates with the advantage get outgunned and killed, if I had done something then they might have lived and our team would be better off.

I've done this before, but it's never on purpose, and I'm assuming most who do it are the same way. Honestly, if I see a red in a position where I can shoot them and do damage, I don't hesitate to do so. The game (and most shooters) often moves too fast to think about whether I'm "stealing" someones kill. I've seen teammates with the advantage get outgunned and killed, if I had done something then they might have lived and our team would be better off.

In the end, sometimes someone else gets the kill and sometimes you do. It evens out. Plus, even though it is annoying, there are more important things than one or two extra kills a game.

I can say I do this. I kill everyone I can. On the other hand, I've handed people some super easy heavy kills amongst others, killed all the snipers that had been picking them off.

So if I kill everything in sight, believe me, there's hand offs in that i reduce people to cream puffs as they saunter away... and the +25 comes in.

Your welcome.

Well, it seems like none of you do this purposely so no worries, this isn't directed to you (obviously) and there sure are people who do things like this. Maybe they don't play like this all of the time, but they sure take advantage of it when the opportunity is given. I definitely help my teammates get a kill, but if I see someone going 1v1 and they're doing good, I let them be. If they lose, that's on them. I, PERSONALLY, would want that person to let me go against that enemy. If I lose, than that helps me see what i did wrong and what i could have done to win that battle. I love me an intense battle and i respect when someone guns me down on their own. When it comes to my squad, I'm shooting everyone thats shooting at them. My squad being my corpmates since I don't squad up with randoms.

We're all different type of gamers and thats just the way I play in public matches.

And this goes to some of you above. If you don't do this, why post something defensive as if i were directing this mainly to you? I don't get why most people on forums are so damn defensive, lol. I'm just assuming some of you feel guilty because you do this. why else feel defensive? I wouldn't if I read something like this because i know what kind of player i am. I KNOW when you're in the heat of the game, you KS sometimes. thats why I said P-U-R-P-O-S-E-L-Y or in Spanish a prop+¦sito. Everyone just assumed I was talking about the accidental KSing.

Does ANYONE here understand where i'm coming from? Anyone that can read and comprehend.

The problem is that your assuming people do it to get kills, and not because the're just shooting at a random red. There probably are those who do it for the kills, but how can you tell them apart from the people who are just trying to help you?

There is no Kill Steal in Dust 514. There is only Team Work.

Are you trying to get likes or something? Do you play the same game as I do? There are obviously a lot of people who aren't team players on here.

Then you brand those who help other teammate as a KS ? There you go, your team work.

HTFO

i'm always KSing.... wassup

I see you can read, but you lack comprehension. So to those who do this PURPOSELY, does that make them an A-hole or a team player?


Do I have to give the definition of purposely to you? What is your first language? How would be the easiest way for you to understand this so I can try my best to help you?

No, thank you. But I would love to see you clarify how you determine your purposely. How do you know it is not accidental ? And even on purpose, how do you seperate those who help you out of goodwill and those who just hunger for one more kill. Did you ask them one by one afterward ? It doesn't matter either way. Do you prefer all you teammates just be on standby waiting until the enemy kill you before they moving in ? Will that make them better team player ? or an A-hole ?? Also, does the one who is more concerned over his own kill rather than team effort a good team player ? or an A-hole ??



My first language is Thai. The easiest way for you to make me understand is to write it in Thai. Then, we will see how is your Thai compare to my English.

Green dot(squad member) says: You ok there @GetShotUp

GetShotUp: Yeah i got this fool...

Random blue dot: OH!!! THAT RED DOT IS ALMOST DEAD....HOPE I GET THE KILL.. pew pew +50 wp...

thats -25 wp for our squad... so far all i see in this game guys that aren't team orientated therefore they aren't shooting to help, they shooting to up their K/D

Maybe they already had them in their sights, and then you went and started shooting up their target?

And that's exactly what the OP said

I'd like it if the game awarded the kill to whoever dealt the majority of damage to the victim tracked over 30 seconds. Second place gets a kill assist, even if they dealt the "killing blow".

Purely because of this thread; if i ever see you, I'm going to try to kill whoever you're killing. I do not normally do this purposefully, however i am a strong believer that in a team based game (such as this one), team efficiency (more kills, less deaths for the team) is maximised when players work together, and in numbers. To this end, I actively seek to help teammates in their engagements to further increase their likelihood of success in determining victory. Regardless of how players work together (in concert or otherwise) in a pub match, the goal for everyone (I would assume) is to win. Stop being so egocentric and concerned with how many kills you get and be more concerned with how you're affecting the match outcome.

I'd like it if the game awarded the kill to whoever dealt the majority of damage to the victim tracked over 30 seconds. Second place gets a kill assist, even if they dealt the "killing blow".

Purely because of this thread; if i ever see you, I'm going to try to kill whoever you're killing. I do not normally do this purposefully, however i am a strong believer that in a team based game (such as this one), team efficiency (more kills, less deaths for the team) is maximised when players work together, and in numbers. To this end, I actively seek to help teammates in their engagements to further increase their likelihood of success in determining victory. Regardless of how players work together (in concert or otherwise) in a pub match, the goal for everyone (I would assume) is to win. Stop being so egocentric and concerned with how many kills you get and be more concerned with how you're affecting the match outcome.

I almost kill a guy... and then I die. You're telling me that I deserve to get the kill just because some random teammate finished him off for me? Then the people who are only out to get kills will just let people recover so they can get the kill themselves, even if it ends up screwing their own team over. At least the current system somewhat encourages teamwork.

Edit: Maybe kill assists should just be counted as half kills? You'd need 2 kill assists for it to register as a kill, but any remainders wouldn't roll over into your score. So you can't end a match at .5 and then get the other .5 in another match.

It happens quite a bit in my heavy fit, I'll be mowing down some poor red with my HMG and some blueberry will jump right into my line of fire, block my bullets and still my kill.

While on one hand it is silly to complain about it because at the end of the day, your team got the kill and that is what matters. But it does cause problems when you are almost able to get an orbital but you are just short because someone repeatedly stole my kills.

No, that's not how it should be. If two people are shooting at one target, the person who dealt more damage deserves the kill fair and square and the other person gets the assist. If two people are shooting at one target and the person that dealt the most damage on the target dies BEFORE the target is dead, he should get the assist because the way you're explaining would be idiotic. That's just what makes sense IMO

You realize that you just made the "kill" system unnecessarily complicated right? Now the system has to check if your still alive every time you get a kill, just so people wont "steal" your kills. Which system is more idiotic now?

If people picking off your kills is such a problem, then maybe you should kill your targets so they have nothing to pick off?

WPs, not kills, should just be awarded based on damage dealt.

If you follow me in game, the only thing you'll be doing is learning. In my squad, we're all team players. My mic is always on, making sure we have that communication. I probably won't even notice you when I'm playing because I'm too busy focusing on that win. Oh, and you should of asked what game mode I usually play which is ambush. Skirmish has been really laggy for me lately.

i know plenty of people that do that.

i think the kill should go to the player that deals the most damage

Snip

I shoot anybody, rather they almost dead or not. If I see somebody in 1v1 gunfight I will come in and take kill. I expect the same in return. I will never whine YOU STOLE MY KILL! Unless I am joking.

what amazes me is there's actually ppl who scream on the mic for help and then they get pissed when you steal their kills

what amazes me is there's actually ppl who scream on the mic for help and then they get pissed when you steal their kills

Oh sh*t, oh sh*, OH SH*T!!!...
HEY, WAT DA FUK??? YOU STOLE MY KILL!!! F*CKING B*TCH.

Really now? I stole "your" kill? looked to me like I was saving your ass.

Not the ones with sniper rifles. I'm talking about the people that purposely wait for you to weaken an enemy to snipe that last little bit of health away. I hope they fix this as to where in these situations, the person who has done the most damage, takes the kill and the other, the assist.

Do you run into these type of people?

EDIT: Also, **** YOU if you do this on purpose.

Say I throw a grenade as I die? If it kills someone then I won't get the kill because I'm also dead. Your system is completely unnecessary, that's what makes it complicated. Simple is better. Whoever killed someone, got the kill. You wish to create a completely new system of checks just because you're getting a few kills stolen? I get like 20 kill assists per match, I don't mind. If you do care, then you should work on getting kills faster. Improve your aim, do more damage, idk, but complaining about kill stealing in a shooter? Who cares if the guy was right next to you or 100 feet away with a sniper rifle? Just do your job and quit worrying about how others are playing.

what amazes me is there's actually ppl who scream on the mic for help and then they get pissed when you steal their kills

You really don't know so stop feeding me opinions, trying to make them sound like facts and come at me with real facts which you obviously can't unless you ask a dev yourself.


But sloth, i guess our discussion is over because you're not trying to understand what I'm trying to say and you clearly just want your opinions to be shoved down my throat. You shared yours and that it, its over. i guess you win? idk, I'm not sure how to get you to stop posting so I'm telling you, you win. Your opinion sounds the best. you should tell the devs your idea or something.

The problem with your entire thread is that you have no way of knowing what another person is trying do, they're all your assumptions. They could be trying to help you, they could be trying to steal your kill, you have no way of knowing what it is they're doing. Are you psychic, can you read their minds through a TV screen? If you can't then you should stop talking, because unless you ask them yourself, you have no idea what it is your talking about, so stop trying to present you assumptions as facts.

I'm not saying "complicated" as in hard, I'm saying "complicated" as in unnecessary. The current system works, I'm not sure why you insist on changing it.

Assigning the kill to whomever did the most damage wouldn't work.

People like the OP that are bent on getting the kill score wouldn't waste ammo on a guy I just sniped into <50% health. They'd wait until he healed a bit, then go try kill him.

Or they'd post something on the forums about how snipers purposefully keep leaving enemies half-dead so he can't get any kills.

You made a thread about something you have no way of knowing. That's your fault, just like people stealing your kills.

Like Ike I said before, a friend and I kill steal from each other all the time. It's not easy. The only way to steal a kill is for the other person to make a mistake. They either missed, had to reload, or they didn't do enough damage. If you have enough time to aim and shoot, then you have enough time to land the kill. If you didn't land the kill, then it's your own fault.

You're telling us that there are snipers who look for 1v1 fights, that they know exactly when you're going to mess up, and how much damage you have to inflict before their shot becomes lethal? If their timing and accuracy is that great, why didn't they just land a head shot?

But yeah, we're done.

Let me sum it up for OP.

Basicly, majority of people here are saying that
we are fine with the type of person who intentionally attack weaker enemies with mind set to KS purposely
That is our opinion in the matter.

I have a sniper and I ALWAYS snipe the guy that is easiest to kill.

Did I say those people don't exist? No, I didn't. I have no way of proving that, it's impossible to prove a negative. All I said is you have no proof that they do. What's next, a thread about the existence of unicorns?

BTW: If you've read what I said, then you'd see I actually said I felt sorry for anyone who resorted to that.

Oh, so now I can guarantee that my bullet will be the one that lands the killing blow? What do I have to do, pray to the random number god?

You keep saying this is over.... and then you keep replying

No one is saying they are fine with it, majority of people here are trying to speak on their defense saying that they don't do that intentionally. Did you even read all 4 pages because I did.

Sorry but I don't feel like reading through this thread.

Has anyone suggested distributing WP based on how much damage you do? And either leave it at that and let the guy who delivers the killing blow get the kill or give the kill to the guy that does the most damage.

Mollerz! I just wanted to say I zap'd you with my LR the other day.

How'd my ill' friend taste? Minty?

Your name reminds me of x-files, so its something I recognize and focus on lol.

See, this is what I'm being accused of, making an assumption about a specific player that I've never played with. You can squad up with me and then post back here. I know how to be a team player and I definitely wouldn't run away from a target that i see is almost dead. Depending on the situation in the game, i can tell if the player has it handled. I've KS myself, but never with the wrong intentions, only if I see if the player is getting shot or reloading. idk, theres a lot of diff scenarios, but I know how i play and you definitely do not since we've never even played together and if we did, I never noticed you. And you're mentioning snipers LOL oh jeez, did you even read the first sentence in my OP?

LOL@ "he can't get any kills" I want to play with you. You down?

We all KNOW you are not picking on any specific person or actual snipers, so why are you getting bent when a sniper speaks up? We Snipers see KS alot, both shoot at same target at same time, a running red and can't quite make the leading shot but another does, the reds ducking into cover after I hit him once and the other still has the shot, etc..

The point being made above is if you award the kill to person does the most damage, then as a sniper I would have 20+ kills a match. Bunch of reds attacking a point, I hit those I can leaving most with less than 50% health and the muddogs defending the point finish them (I get alot of assists, but with your damaged based system means LOTS of kills for me). If thats what you want, then fine by me, just don't open a thread later on complaining about snipers getting all the kills. PERSONALLY I don't really care who gets the kill as long as that red dies, I'm still getting WPs for it.

Finally, you started the thread to speak about KS, then get upset because people aren't agreeing with you! LOL
You are in a 1v1 and doing fine and will kill the red, blueberry comes around a corner and starts shooting at the undead red and gets the kill! So what, growup, it is but only a game.

PS: Only a person obsessed with KDR would even bring up the subject, have you even looked at the leader board for KDR???

Exactly.

It can be annoying at times, and usually I'm the one annoying other people by doing it. After playing FPS games for so long I've gotten ridiculous sick, and tired, of holding back from shooting enemies just so that I can observe and wait to see if my teammate wins a gunfight. It's a bad habit IMO and it doesn't cut it when playing against good players, if it's red and you have the chance to make it dead, make it so.

Not the ones with sniper rifles. I'm talking about the people that purposely wait for you to weaken an enemy to snipe that last little bit of health away. I hope they fix this as to where in these situations, the person who has done the most damage, takes the kill and the other, the assist.

Do you run into these type of people?

EDIT: Also, **** YOU if you do this on purpose.

OH NOOOOOOO

My team got 75 points towards our next OB instead of 50, (or 90 if we were frago'd) this transgression against my individual cannot be sanctioned!!!

Not the ones with sniper rifles. I'm talking about the people that purposely wait for you to weaken an enemy to snipe that last little bit of health away. I hope they fix this as to where in these situations, the person who has done the most damage, takes the kill and the other, the assist.

Do you run into these type of people?

EDIT: Also, **** YOU if you do this on purpose.

there's no other FPS that does it any different. if you notice FPS vets will hold their fire because they have perfected the art of kill steal and are waiting for the noob to do the opening damage. can't beat em join em so dont be that noob who attacks first be the vet who steals the kill. or leave the pack; because that all important squad could possibly be cramping your style.

Meh. Red is Dead to me.

Not the ones with sniper rifles. I'm talking about the people that purposely wait for you to weaken an enemy to snipe that last little bit of health away. I hope they fix this as to where in these situations, the person who has done the most damage, takes the kill and the other, the assist.

Do you run into these type of people?

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WAAAAAAAAAAA NERF SNIPERS!!!

Go to Call of Duty.

Green dot(squad member) says: You ok there @GetShotUp

GetShotUp: Yeah i got this fool...

Random blue dot: OH!!! THAT RED DOT IS ALMOST DEAD....HOPE I GET THE KILL.. pew pew +50 wp...

thats -25 wp for our squad... so far all i see in this game guys that aren't team orientated therefore they aren't shooting to help, they shooting to up their K/D