First:

It's a game. It's pointless to play it. So saying it's pointless to play skirmish when you can get the same SP in less time playing ambush is a hilarious nonsense statement.

What... you are wanting to be more efficient at.... accomplishing nothing? You play games for fun. If you don't want to play for fun, then why do you play? It's called "playing" for a reason.

Play: a term employed in psychology and ethology to describe a range of voluntary, intrinsically motivated activities normally associated with recreational pleasure and enjoyment.

And for those who don't know what intrinsic motivation is:

Intrinsic motivation: motivation that is driven by an interest or enjoyment in the task itself, and exists within the individual rather than relying on external pressures or a desire for reward.


Second:

Listen to yourselves crying over how BADLY you are being mistreated.

"I get no extra stuff for doing something I WANT to do?! What is wrong with the world! Woe is me! All alone, getting no extra SP for playing longer matches than others just because I enjoy the longer matches more..."

Feeling this entitled over something that doesn't in anyway affect you IRL other than sucking up hours of your life you could be spending doing literally ANYTHING else is, by and large, the most pathetic thing I can possibly think of.


Lastly:

All this blubbering is over a temporary system that is in place. Once the global cap comes out there will be no more of this 1WP=1SP, it will be a global cap you can reach increased each week by the weekly cap resetting. How about you enjoy the extra SP you are getting now while you can, because very soon you will be SOL.

So, enjoy spitting those HTFU comments now while you can, your turn to HTFU is coming VERY soon...

This circle jerk is cute. Why would you play one gamemode that takes longer to complete, while getting the same amount of SP. I thought eve players were supposed to be hardcore intelligent gamers...

Sounds like this thread is full of a bunch of carebears. Don't listen to the scrubs ccp.

This circle jerk is cute. Why would you play one gamemode that takes longer to complete, while getting the same amount of SP. I thought eve players were supposed to be hardcore intelligent gamers...

Sounds like this thread is full of a bunch of carebears. Don't listen to the carebears ccp.

This circle jerk is cute. Why would you play one gamemode that takes longer to complete, while getting the same amount of SP. I thought eve players were supposed to be hardcore intelligent gamers...

Sounds like this thread is full of a bunch of carebears. Don't listen to the carebears ccp.

This circle jerk is cute. Why would you play one gamemode that takes longer to complete, while getting the same amount of SP. I thought eve players were supposed to be hardcore intelligent gamers...

Sounds like this thread is full of a bunch of carebears. Don't listen to the carebears ccp.

Already explained in the post. Have fun ignoring reality when it doesn't suit you though, you are apparently a true expert at it.

First:

It's a game. It's pointless to play it. So saying it's pointless to play skirmish when you can get the same SP in less time playing ambush is a hilarious nonsense statement.

What... you are wanting to be more efficient at.... accomplishing nothing? You play games for fun. If you don't want to play for fun, then why do you play? It's called "playing" for a reason.

Play: a term employed in psychology and ethology to describe a range of voluntary, intrinsically motivated activities normally associated with recreational pleasure and enjoyment.

And for those who don't know what intrinsic motivation is:

Intrinsic motivation: motivation that is driven by an interest or enjoyment in the task itself, and exists within the individual rather than relying on external pressures or a desire for reward.


Second:

Listen to yourselves crying over how BADLY you are being mistreated.

"I get no extra stuff for doing something I WANT to do?! What is wrong with the world! Woe is me! All alone, getting no extra SP for playing longer matches than others just because I enjoy the longer matches more..."

Feeling this entitled over something that doesn't in anyway affect you IRL other than sucking up hours of your life you could be spending doing literally ANYTHING else is, by and large, the most pathetic thing I can possibly think of.


Lastly:

All this blubbering is over a temporary system that is in place. Once the global cap comes out there will be no more of this 1WP=1SP, it will be a global cap you can reach increased each week by the weekly cap resetting. How about you enjoy the extra SP you are getting now while you can, because very soon you will be SOL.

So, enjoy spitting those HTFU comments now while you can, your turn to HTFU is coming VERY soon...

Please let us have our tanks back and AV re nerfed.

By your logic, your still playing for fun and enjoyment right?

Yay tanks on their way back!

Broken gameplay vs. functional reward system. Improper comparison as they are totally unrelated. Nice try though.

At least I gave it a shot.

First:

It's a game. It's pointless to play it. So saying it's pointless to play skirmish when you can get the same SP in less time playing ambush is a hilarious nonsense statement.

What... you are wanting to be more efficient at.... accomplishing nothing? You play games for fun. If you don't want to play for fun, then why do you play? It's called "playing" for a reason.

Play: a term employed in psychology and ethology to describe a range of voluntary, intrinsically motivated activities normally associated with recreational pleasure and enjoyment.

And for those who don't know what intrinsic motivation is:

Intrinsic motivation: motivation that is driven by an interest or enjoyment in the task itself, and exists within the individual rather than relying on external pressures or a desire for reward.


Second:

Listen to yourselves crying over how BADLY you are being mistreated.

"I get no extra stuff for doing something I WANT to do?! What is wrong with the world! Woe is me! All alone, getting no extra SP for playing longer matches than others just because I enjoy the longer matches more..."

Feeling this entitled over something that doesn't in anyway affect you IRL other than sucking up hours of your life you could be spending doing literally ANYTHING else is, by and large, the most pathetic thing I can possibly think of.


Lastly:

All this blubbering is over a temporary system that is in place. Once the global cap comes out there will be no more of this 1WP=1SP, it will be a global cap you can reach increased each week by the weekly cap resetting. How about you enjoy the extra SP you are getting now while you can, because very soon you will be SOL.

So, enjoy spitting those HTFU comments now while you can, your turn to HTFU is coming VERY soon...

So we spreading rumors about sp systems? It will be no cap in a month or two and sp means nothing cause FW actually works but until than enjoy the spankings I hand out daily

We would like to remind you that these changes do not represent the final skill point system and that we are still working hard on getting to the fully polished rollover system later on.

Its kinda sad to see a bunch of grown ass men lose their life on this. When I was a teen, I lost my life on certain games, but I was a teen. I had no real responsibility, but as a man now that has a wife, step son and one of my own on the way AND bills, I CAN'T play as much even if I wanted to. Do these men have wives/girlfriends? Kids? job? Anything?

lol You must be new here. Let me fill you in, these guys you're refering to, for them Dust 514 fills each one of those roles you mentioned. It is their way of life.

I'm realizing this the more I roam these forums

The fact of the matter is some people who have hit the cap will play ambush. You are slowly burning out your hardcore gamers on these terrible spawns. Its a bad idea and it is an issue that we get the same amount of sp for a gamemode that takes longer. Everyone wants to ignore this problem and circle jerk about how SP doesn't matter and its supposed to be fun. Please, get a room and make nerdy spaceship love while you eat fried donuts.. You are ignoring the real problem here.

We should get more SP for a game that takes longer to complete. You know it to be true. Search your feelings.

Why someone would play skirmish over ambush:
1- You're a sniper and safer to play it
2- You're just beginning and have more opportunities for skill points and to learn in skirmish
3- You enjoy seeing a match not filled with heavies or simply you forgot that...
carebears actually hit and bite and cause real pain in numbers

Liked!

The SP cap for me, personally, kills a little motivation since I'm eager to get better gear/weps, but I still get on and I never ***** about it. I'm still getting SP, still building up my personal/corp stats and most importantly, I'm still having fun with my people.

Its kinda sad to see a bunch of grown ass men lose their life on this. When I was a teen, I lost my life on certain games, but I was a teen. I had no real responsibility, but as a man now that has a wife, step son and one of my own on the way AND bills, I CAN'T play as much even if I wanted to. Do these men have wives/girlfriends? Kids? job? Anything?

First:

It's a game. It's pointless to play it. So saying it's pointless to play skirmish when you can get the same SP in less time playing ambush is a hilarious nonsense statement.

What... you are wanting to be more efficient at.... accomplishing nothing? You play games for fun. If you don't want to play for fun, then why do you play? It's called "playing" for a reason.

Play: a term employed in psychology and ethology to describe a range of voluntary, intrinsically motivated activities normally associated with recreational pleasure and enjoyment.

And for those who don't know what intrinsic motivation is:

Intrinsic motivation: motivation that is driven by an interest or enjoyment in the task itself, and exists within the individual rather than relying on external pressures or a desire for reward.


Second:

Listen to yourselves crying over how BADLY you are being mistreated.

"I get no extra stuff for doing something I WANT to do?! What is wrong with the world! Woe is me! All alone, getting no extra SP for playing longer matches than others just because I enjoy the longer matches more..."

Feeling this entitled over something that doesn't in anyway affect you IRL other than sucking up hours of your life you could be spending doing literally ANYTHING else is, by and large, the most pathetic thing I can possibly think of.


Lastly:

All this blubbering is over a temporary system that is in place. Once the global cap comes out there will be no more of this 1WP=1SP, it will be a global cap you can reach increased each week by the weekly cap resetting. How about you enjoy the extra SP you are getting now while you can, because very soon you will be SOL.

So, enjoy spitting those HTFU comments now while you can, your turn to HTFU is coming VERY soon...

Rollover refers to the bonus SP before you hit the 1WP=1SP default. Limiting bonuses is not the same as negating every action after the first 5 minutes of the match.

SP caps hurt the casuals more. This is a fact and I have proof. Unlike people who throw around HTFU without understanding the true meaning, I am concerned about the long term outlook of this game. We want new players 1 year from now and even 5 years from now. The SP system should be discussed on the assumption that once finalized and we leave beta, it will be consistent.

Where are you getting that a rollover system is just in relation to bonus SP. As it is, CCP are developing a weekly rollover system for all SP, not bonus SP. This is what is being developed, but by no means is definitely going to be the final system.

Yes, the SP system should be discussed. But, the manner in which alot of people are doing it is not in the spirit of a debate. What they are doing is out right juvenile screaming they want, they want, while lying on the floor kicking their heels. It's no surprise these same ones only see playing Dust as SP accumulation. Desire for instant gratification and juvenile behavior go hand in hand.

If ye want to just grind Ambush, off with ye. Alot of people enjoy the possibility of a more strategic game experience playing Skirmish, with the reward of a good game and ISK gain. Fair enough, your squad could be stuck with a bad team. But, there's just as much chance to get another good squad with ye and then it's great fun.

As for the bunch of ye stating that having no cap would help new players, for those that believe it, ye need to take another good look at it as all it benefits is the grinders. As for the rest that know it only benefits the grinders, ye're trolls. We know you're trolls and who ye are, and I don't even bother reading most of the posts ye make. Most aren't even that inventive in trolling. The ones that are, keep it up. I like a laugh like most others. Yer posts I'll read.

And to finish, CCP have stated that they do not want to incentivise grinding. This present cap is perfect for that desire. There will always be people that will grind regardless, but the main group will not if the return is too small.