DUST Search - To Ppl QQing About Skirmish Being "Pointless" After Capped

Noc Tempre wrote:

Oxskull Duncarino wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

Rollover refers to the bonus SP before you hit the 1WP=1SP default. Limiting bonuses is not the same as negating every action after the first 5 minutes of the match.

SP caps hurt the casuals more. This is a fact and I have proof. Unlike people who throw around HTFU without understanding the true meaning, I am concerned about the long term outlook of this game. We want new players 1 year from now and even 5 years from now. The SP system should be discussed on the assumption that once finalized and we leave beta, it will be consistent.

Where are you getting that a rollover system is just in relation to bonus SP. As it is, CCP are developing a weekly rollover system for all SP, not bonus SP. This is what is being developed, but by no means is definitely going to be the final system.

Yes, the SP system should be discussed. But, the manner in which alot of people are doing it is not in the spirit of a debate. What they are doing is out right juvenile screaming they want, they want, while lying on the floor kicking their heels. It's no surprise these same ones only see playing Dust as SP accumulation. Desire for instant gratification and juvenile behavior go hand in hand.

If ye want to just grind Ambush, off with ye. Alot of people enjoy the possibility of a more strategic game experience playing Skirmish, with the reward of a good game and ISK gain. Fair enough, your squad could be stuck with a bad team. But, there's just as much chance to get another good squad with ye and then it's great fun.

As for the bunch of ye stating that having no cap would help new players, for those that believe it, ye need to take another good look at it as all it benefits is the grinders. As for the rest that know it only benefits the grinders, ye're trolls. We know you're trolls and who ye are, and I don't even bother reading most of the posts ye make. Most aren't even that inventive in trolling. The ones that are, keep it up. I like a laugh like most others. Yer posts I'll read.

And to finish, CCP have stated that they do not want to incentivise grinding. This present cap is perfect for that desire. There will always be people that will grind regardless, but the main group will not if the return is too small.

To invalidate my argument by calling me a troll shows an extreme ignorance of who I am and the ideas I represent. You are quick to jump to your opinion of the behavior of the people presenting the points you disagree with instead of discuss the points on their own merit.

People are stuck in the one or the other dichotomy, when the truth is the variables should be uncoupled since the purposes are independent. An enjoyable game mode versus character progression is being turned into a choice, which is poor game design. That is why the static cap is untenable.

As for the no cap helping new players - this is a fact. New players can invest time to reach whatever threshold they feel they need to reach to be competitive as fast as their schedule allows. This is a pure benefit. On the flip side, veterans are already capping out every week and will continue to enjoy an insurmountable advantage. People should not be afraid of grinders, they are the people who are going to buy your AUR items with ISK or merely flesh out the content by always having people to fight with or against. The first 3M SP sees a 100% improvement over militia. The next 7M is only another 50%. And an additional 10M is only a marginal (maybe 10%) beyond that. Anything beyond that is pure variety for the enjoyment of the player. I feel I am rounding up the level of improvement, since it is really hard to quantify how having 40 extra SMG bullets in reserve improves your combat effectiveness in an absolute way.

CCP has specifically stated that active SP is intended to allow new players to catch up and reach the competitive game content after a certain number of game hours, not calendar dates. People are not asking for unearned SP. I am glad the passive SP (both the literal and the gametime bonus that allows AFK grinding) is limited. Capping the performance threshold is a reactionary measure from bad players afraid of losing their edge, when the truth is they already did, but it's not nearly as important a difference as they fear it is.


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Morathi III Rebelles A Quebec 57	Posted - 2013.02.11 13:16:00 - [1] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: This circle jerk is cute. Why would you play one gamemode that takes longer to complete, while getting the same amount of SP. I thought eve players were supposed to be hardcore intelligent gamers... Sounds like this thread is full of a bunch of carebears. Don't listen to the carebears ccp. Already explained in the post. Have fun ignoring reality when it doesn't suit you though, you are apparently a true expert at it. The fact of the matter is some people who have hit the cap will play ambush. You are slowly burning out your hardcore gamers on these terrible spawns. Its a bad idea and it is an issue that we get the same amount of sp for a gamemode that takes longer. Everyone wants to ignore this problem and circle jerk about how SP doesn't matter and its supposed to be fun. Please, get a room and make nerdy spaceship love while you eat fried donuts.. You are ignoring the real problem here. We should get more SP for a game that takes longer to complete. You know it to be true. Search your feelings. Why someone would play skirmish over ambush: 1- You're a sniper and safer to play it 2- You're just beginning and have more opportunities for skill points and to learn in skirmish 3- You enjoy seeing a match not filled with heavies or simply you forgot that... carebears actually hit and bite and cause real pain in numbers Go play COD
Morathi III Rebelles A Quebec 57	Posted - 2013.02.11 14:07:00 - [2] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Rollover refers to the bonus SP before you hit the 1WP=1SP default. Limiting bonuses is not the same as negating every action after the first 5 minutes of the match. SP caps hurt the casuals more. This is a fact and I have proof. Unlike people who throw around HTFU without understanding the true meaning, I am concerned about the long term outlook of this game. We want new players 1 year from now and even 5 years from now. The SP system should be discussed on the assumption that once finalized and we leave beta, it will be consistent. Where are you getting that a rollover system is just in relation to bonus SP. As it is, CCP are developing a weekly rollover system for all SP, not bonus SP. This is what is being developed, but by no means is definitely going to be the final system. Yes, the SP system should be discussed. But, the manner in which alot of people are doing it is not in the spirit of a debate. What they are doing is out right juvenile screaming they want, they want, while lying on the floor kicking their heels. It's no surprise these same ones only see playing Dust as SP accumulation. Desire for instant gratification and juvenile behavior go hand in hand. If ye want to just grind Ambush, off with ye. Alot of people enjoy the possibility of a more strategic game experience playing Skirmish, with the reward of a good game and ISK gain. Fair enough, your squad could be stuck with a bad team. But, there's just as much chance to get another good squad with ye and then it's great fun. As for the bunch of ye stating that having no cap would help new players, for those that believe it, ye need to take another good look at it as all it benefits is the grinders. As for the rest that know it only benefits the grinders, ye're trolls. We know you're trolls and who ye are, and I don't even bother reading most of the posts ye make. Most aren't even that inventive in trolling. The ones that are, keep it up. I like a laugh like most others. Yer posts I'll read. And to finish, CCP have stated that they do not want to incentivise grinding. This present cap is perfect for that desire. There will always be people that will grind regardless, but the main group will not if the return is too small. To invalidate my argument by calling me a troll shows an extreme ignorance of who I am and the ideas I represent. You are quick to jump to your opinion of the behavior of the people presenting the points you disagree with instead of discuss the points on their own merit. People are stuck in the one or the other dichotomy, when the truth is the variables should be uncoupled since the purposes are independent. An enjoyable game mode versus character progression is being turned into a choice, which is poor game design. That is why the static cap is untenable. As for the no cap helping new players - this is a fact. New players can invest time to reach whatever threshold they feel they need to reach to be competitive as fast as their schedule allows. This is a pure benefit. On the flip side, veterans are already capping out every week and will continue to enjoy an insurmountable advantage. People should not be afraid of grinders, they are the people who are going to buy your AUR items with ISK or merely flesh out the content by always having people to fight with or against. The first 3M SP sees a 100% improvement over militia. The next 7M is only another 50%. And an additional 10M is only a marginal (maybe 10%) beyond that. Anything beyond that is pure variety for the enjoyment of the player. I feel I am rounding up the level of improvement, since it is really hard to quantify how having 40 extra SMG bullets in reserve improves your combat effectiveness in an absolute way. CCP has specifically stated that active SP is intended to allow new players to catch up and reach the competitive game content after a certain number of game hours, not calendar dates. People are not asking for unearned SP. I am glad the passive SP (both the literal and the gametime bonus that allows AFK grinding) is limited. Capping the performance threshold is a reactionary measure from bad players afraid of losing their edge, when the truth is they already did, but it's not nearly as important a difference as they fear it is. TBH a lot of yor member dont play for fun
Morathi III Rebelles A Quebec 57	Posted - 2013.02.11 14:59:00 - [3] - Quote If you dont want to see imperfects go play skirmish, i play for a while in skirmish and i.... Never see you noc, i can say an advice for noob if you dont want to get spawnkill by imps go play skirmish you can have fun there
Morathi III Rebelles A Quebec 57	Posted - 2013.02.11 15:03:00 - [4] - Quote Ccp probably solve the problem soon noc be patient
Morathi III Rebelles A Quebec 57	Posted - 2013.02.11 15:08:00 - [5] - Quote Agreed at 100%