Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

Both should just have faster overheats.

Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Both should just have faster overheats.

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

just the laser, MG has been nerfed enough
the laser(and i mean the normal one) shouldn't be able to bring down a heavy in one go.
leave the advanced and proto lazers alone though/

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

I actually think the lasers need a buff, and not like changing anything except turn the skills on for them. Currently the skills for lasers do nothing at all, lvl 1 op and level 5 op will not increase the time u can fire before overhearing. Also the pro sows not decrease the cool down time. The most important skill that is broken with the laser is the sharpshooter, it does not increase the effective range, it simply just moves it. The laser does not melt anyone faster then a gek. Starting off firing at an ar the laser will lose because of the dmg build up required. It takes about 50-60 "bullets " from the laser to kill someone from the get go, if people are idiots the laser does and will end someone very fast after it has built up heat, probably between 15 and 25 bullets. Also it is unique to shields....armor reduces dmg by 20%

LOL. so how many people should I be able to kill with my proto type clip. 1 or 2 people is too many?
Do you realize how many people one can kill with a clip of AR. or clip of shotgun? Wow, do you proofread and realize what you are asking?

Nope HMG to, currently overheat isn't even a factor for it. That and Dust Fiend's suggestion about having to spool up a little. Doesn't need any other nerfs imo.

Another thing I wouldn't really consider a nerf is for it to start out at it's most accurate and loose accuracy as you fire. So just flip that mechanic and it still kills good and nothing really to complain about.

And the HMG needs a little spool time before it actually starts to shoot. I actually don't think it needs any change to its range, if you're shooting an AR user at your max range, you're well within his range, and if he can aim at all he'll do a good chunk of damage to you before needing to hit cover for a moment.

The laser is only an alpha weapon after it has charged for about 40 rounds....that is not a big window for killing, plus it is all Estimation of range for the laser, can I hit him? U must shoot to even see if you can and that giant flashlight isn't good for your own survival . A duvoulle can kill 2 people easy with one clip. And will kill the first person faster then the laser...the laser will kill the second quicker because of the heat build up.

Having range is very deceptive because the more you push the range the less effective you are up close, which changes the gameplay entirely. An Ar with more range does the same dmg throughout, the added fangs has no adverse effect while the laser suffers for putting points into a skill.

And the HMG needs a little spool time before it actually starts to shoot. I actually don't think it needs any change to its range, if you're shooting an AR user at your max range, you're well within his range, and if he can aim at all he'll do a good chunk of damage to you before needing to hit cover for a moment.

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Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

+1

If laser rifles and HMG were as OP as people claim you would see nearly everyone with them in a battle. Thats just not the case.

The thing is the people who use them are good at using them, giving the illusions that they confer some kind of unfair advantage.

Its cause people who who don't know how to counter them do stupid stuff like charging a HMG and die, and them claim that its OP cause their AR couldn't beat it at its optimum range.

Shhh. I like it when people stand toe to toe or charge me.

And I like it when idiots try to beat my LR at range, but if we teach them how we think they should respond we know what they're most likely to do, hence advantage us.

If I catch one more guy camping on the pipelines with a LR during a skirmish, i'm going to break my TV

If I catch one more guy camping on the pipelines with a LR during a skirmish, i'm going to break my TV

heres a few thoughts of my own on the laser rifle, EVERY GUN IN THIS GAME CAN KILL TWO OR MORE PEOPLE WITHIN ONE OF ITS CLIPS. other then that, if an LR guy is good at keeping his distance, you need only call an LAV in to close the gap, if thats too much to be worth it, then he must not be doing anything too special. I mean theres only two places i know of in the game that an LR guy can post up on and be almost completely safe, and those two spots have disadvantages too. So really i dont think its overpowered at all.

as far as HMG's go, if my toxin smg can beat a majority of them then i think there fine where they are.

FROM LONG RANGE IT CAN EASILY KILL MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITHOUT RELOADING.

Atleast twice a day there is a thread about hmgs or heavies being OP. No. Heavies are not op hmgs are not op. You people just fail at dust. You want to talk OP? Proto ARs, assault suits with 4 highs 3 lows and equip slots? Look at the heavy class closely and ask yourself why on earth someone would spend millions of sp to get a proto heavy? Sure more cpu and pg sure 3 highs 2 lows..... now look at the progression of each other dropsuite and think about it. There is little to no insentive to go proto with a heavy, no armor or shield base increase, 1 extra high amd 1 extra low is your reward for 2.4 mill sp. So shut up learn to play and ccp please fix the heavy.

I wish I could This you to death.

I'm not even going to waste my time going Proto. It is the definition of diminishing returns.

The laser is only an alpha weapon after it has charged for about 40 rounds....that is not a big window for killing, plus it is all Estimation of range for the laser, can I hit him? U must shoot to even see if you can and that giant flashlight isn't good for your own survival . A duvoulle can kill 2 people easy with one clip. And will kill the first person faster then the laser...the laser will kill the second quicker because of the heat build up.

Having range is very deceptive because the more you push the range the less effective you are up close, which changes the gameplay entirely. An Ar with more range does the same dmg throughout, the added fangs has no adverse effect while the laser suffers for putting points into a skill.

My opinion:

Laser:
Skills should be fixed, so that they actually do something.

It should overheat faster in general. I'm thinking the standard Laser should overheat after using about 50-60 shots with Laser Operation 1 (which you need to use the Laser). There's no point in having an overheat function if you never have to be aware of it.

Up the initial damage slightly and bring the damage when heated down slightly.

HMG:
It should overheat faster in general. The standard HMG should overheat after using about 200 shots (about half a clip) with HMG Operation 1 (which you need to use the HMG). For info it currently overheats after 252 shots fired (173 shots left) with HMG Operation 1.

Possibly change the HMG Operation skill to a 2% decrease in heat build-up instead of 3%.

But faster overheat on laser equals lower time and ammo use to deal more dmg.

And the HMG needs a little spool time before it actually starts to shoot. I actually don't think it needs any change to its range, if you're shooting an AR user at your max range, you're well within his range, and if he can aim at all he'll do a good chunk of damage to you before needing to hit cover for a moment.

Sniper Rifles can do the same from across the map.

Not true as far as I'm aware. Laser deals more damage the longer you've been firing, not the more heated it is.

Maybe I used the wrong words. The initial damage should be increased, but the max damage (max damage is when you've held the trigger as long as you can) should be decreased.

Untrue, if you aim down the sights (L1) and target someone out of range then the target information on the bottom left of the screen won't come up, whilst if they come into range it will pop up straight away. That's how I done all the max range of weapons in the range guide.

No need to guess any more mr and you'll be a better laser user :). You can thank me later :P

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

Well said, I agree. long time AR user: When i enter a gun fight with another AR i think "ok fair fight, lets duel" when i see a HMG, i run like a sonabitch to long range. (it would be nice if they had a spool up time, often i get cut down at point blank as fast as a shotgun would do, and Heavys have the HP to survive spooling up.) When i see a laser, i say "OH **** RUN" As a assault, im usualy outmatched by a heavy at med-short range, but a laser dominates ARs at very similar AR ranges or even longer. The bad damage to armor isnt a problem because with an AR i usually die against heavys 1v1 anyway. So now i use LR, may as well dominate the other assaults outthere and loose to heavys just as often

LOL. so how many people should I be able to kill with my proto type clip. 1 or 2 people is too many?
Do you realize how many people one can kill with a clip of AR. or clip of shotgun? Wow, do you proofread and realize what you are asking?

The Laser is broke.
The operational and proficiency skill points do nothing..nothing ...it is broke. There is not a not any changes in heat up or cool down.
To boot, the increase in laser range (sharpshooter) makes the rifle weaker at short range...it just moves the window that it does damage...it does not increase it like all other weapons in dust. So at high sharpshooter I do bad damage at 70 meters but now damage at 105 meters...etc.

Please devs is this on purpose?

Its cause people who who don't know how to counter them do stupid stuff like charging a HMG and die, and them claim that its OP cause their AR couldn't beat it at its optimum range.

The following things in DUST are OP. Please fix, CCP:

ARs

Shotguns

HMGs

Laser Rifes

Sniper Rifles

Mass Drivers

Forge Guns

Tanks

LAVs

Dropships

Nova Knives

Melee

Proto Suits

Militia Gear

Boosters

Voice Chat

War Room

Corps

Breathing

If I missed anything, let me know...

Sorry did not see your post....this should be read by everyone. The weapon is too niche.

How convenient that you "missed" scrambler pistols SMGs and grenades o.O