Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

Both should just have faster overheats.

Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Both should just have faster overheats.

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

just the laser, MG has been nerfed enough
the laser(and i mean the normal one) shouldn't be able to bring down a heavy in one go.
leave the advanced and proto lazers alone though/

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.

I actually think the lasers need a buff, and not like changing anything except turn the skills on for them. Currently the skills for lasers do nothing at all, lvl 1 op and level 5 op will not increase the time u can fire before overhearing. Also the pro sows not decrease the cool down time. The most important skill that is broken with the laser is the sharpshooter, it does not increase the effective range, it simply just moves it. The laser does not melt anyone faster then a gek. Starting off firing at an ar the laser will lose because of the dmg build up required. It takes about 50-60 "bullets " from the laser to kill someone from the get go, if people are idiots the laser does and will end someone very fast after it has built up heat, probably between 15 and 25 bullets. Also it is unique to shields....armor reduces dmg by 20%

LOL. so how many people should I be able to kill with my proto type clip. 1 or 2 people is too many?
Do you realize how many people one can kill with a clip of AR. or clip of shotgun? Wow, do you proofread and realize what you are asking?

Nope HMG to, currently overheat isn't even a factor for it. That and Dust Fiend's suggestion about having to spool up a little. Doesn't need any other nerfs imo.

Another thing I wouldn't really consider a nerf is for it to start out at it's most accurate and loose accuracy as you fire. So just flip that mechanic and it still kills good and nothing really to complain about.

And the HMG needs a little spool time before it actually starts to shoot. I actually don't think it needs any change to its range, if you're shooting an AR user at your max range, you're well within his range, and if he can aim at all he'll do a good chunk of damage to you before needing to hit cover for a moment.

The laser is only an alpha weapon after it has charged for about 40 rounds....that is not a big window for killing, plus it is all Estimation of range for the laser, can I hit him? U must shoot to even see if you can and that giant flashlight isn't good for your own survival . A duvoulle can kill 2 people easy with one clip. And will kill the first person faster then the laser...the laser will kill the second quicker because of the heat build up.

Having range is very deceptive because the more you push the range the less effective you are up close, which changes the gameplay entirely. An Ar with more range does the same dmg throughout, the added fangs has no adverse effect while the laser suffers for putting points into a skill.

And the HMG needs a little spool time before it actually starts to shoot. I actually don't think it needs any change to its range, if you're shooting an AR user at your max range, you're well within his range, and if he can aim at all he'll do a good chunk of damage to you before needing to hit cover for a moment.

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Why do people claim that these 2 weapons are overpowered?
Both of these are situational weapons, catering to their respective niches...

Laser rifle is probably overpowered because of how good it is within its niche. It evaporates enemies in a couple seconds. Plus, no recoil, so it's easy to use. You can kill one or two guys in a single magazine before overheating, as well.

People like to pretend that simply recognizing that laser rifles are weak up close means that you can beat someone with an LR, but the reality is that any competent LR user will be someplace where the path to them is open ground, and/or make sure they have allies in front of them. As well, if they engage you at range, you will die long before you can get in close to them. Similar to snipers, the only real counter to laser rifles is another laser rifle, as everything else is out-ranged and will die before it manages to get within range. Personally, I think the laser rifle should overheat faster. Heat management needs to be a bigger thing. Being a powerful ranged weapon is cool, but it should be more about relatively short bursts of fire, rather than continuous streams for extended periods.

On the other hand, HMG isn't as dominating up close as laser rifles are at range. You can actually fight back against HMGs fairly well. Maybe HMGs are too good at longer ranges (they seriously can do a fair bit of damage at longer ranges) but I think they're fine up close.