have you ever used a forge gun?

it takes 4-5 hits on a well fitted tank or more if the driver knows what he is doing.

your suggestions would kill the forge gun. having to reload after everyshot? useless weapon right there.

also its not easy to predict the path of a dropship. since the FG is one of three weapons with travel time. if you hovering in clear view of well everything you deserve to die a horrible fiery death.

nerfing the FG because it killed you is pointless because that's what it is intended to do. if you are flying a drop ship odds are something will kill you because the maps are far too small for it to actually shine.

Also whats next the HMG i can kill a Dropship with it so i obviously is op? MD if you hovering near me i can flux you and then pop you with MD rounds so that must be op as well?

I have been hunting HAVs since last June as a Heavy and both of us have seen some horrendous nerfs, I can see where everyone is coming from but without the FG there is litttle to counter a HAV from an infantry POV.

The issue isn't that a forge gun can kill a dropship, it's that it can conceivably kill a dropship with the dropship having no recourse

There was a thread where people worked out that a decent forge gun loadout does about 3500 damage per shot. With a Myron fit for nothing but tank you can have about 4000 shield hitpoints. No afterburners, no CRUs, nothin' but extenders. That's the only way to not get insta-blapped in a dropship.

And you can do this from anywhere, before the dropship pilot has any way to even know there's a forge gun on the field. The range is essentially unlimited, and it's incredibly accurate. I've seen videos of people using forge guns, and the stuff they can do is pretty crazy, and pretty unpleasant to watch as a pilot.

I drive a HAV, since dropships aren't really worth flying right now. Virtually all of my deaths have come from clever use of swarm launchers and AV grenades (despite the fact that I drive a Sica), or railgun turrets.

Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate a massive damage reduction to forges. I'm more in favor of a massive range reduction. But to say that infantry would have no way to deal with HAVs without them is flat out wrong.

Forge guns are countered by infantry.

It has taken me WEEKS to get to the point where I am a threat with them.

And posting a montage that doesnt show the guy getting ganked does not = OP, it means yer watching a forge gunners greatest hits.

Edit: thats an ishukone assault forge. those cannot hold their charge. once the circle fills it goes off just like a tank railgun.

Here's a video of a guy with a forge gun killing people, including LAVs, infantry, and dropships, from both at short and long range, while strafing, moving at full speed away, or while standing still. I'd love to hear what you would have done differently that would have rendered him unable to kill you.

That guys busting out a Proto Assault Forge Gun in a pub match.

Of course he's going to stomp.

says the guy who camped a mountain with Officer Snipers. That's right I remember you...please tell me the militia submachine gun is OP too!

The fact that you have one of the most Powerful weapons in the game at your disposal, one that can decimate heavies wielding a forge gun, and you call them OP?

I just find that....unsettling.

Wow really your going to take me back to my first month of dust were i didn't know anything i haven't even gotten to c if a thale has been changed or not if it hasnt there definetly needs to be a change. But i dnt know how to start on that weapon i have given my thoughts to this one and want to c what u would try to change so dropships can become a legitimate vehicle to use

I'm happy there is a legitimate weapon a tank can fear but that same weapon makes it impossible for a dropship to survive.

I think that reducing the speed of the shot fired would be the best solution to prevent this "Dropship ****"...
If you get hit by a slow anti-materia sphere, than you deserve to die

decreased accuracy at long ranges....

Here's a video of a guy with a forge gun killing people, including LAVs, infantry, and dropships, from both at short and long range, while strafing, moving at full speed away, or while standing still. I'd love to hear what you would have done differently that would have rendered him unable to kill you.

The issue isn't that a forge gun can kill a dropship, it's that it can conceivably kill a dropship with the dropship having no recourse

There was a thread where people worked out that a decent forge gun loadout does about 3500 damage per shot. With a Myron fit for nothing but tank you can have about 4000 shield hitpoints. No afterburners, no CRUs, nothin' but extenders. That's the only way to not get insta-blapped in a dropship.

And you can do this from anywhere, before the dropship pilot has any way to even know there's a forge gun on the field. The range is essentially unlimited, and it's incredibly accurate. I've seen videos of people using forge guns, and the stuff they can do is pretty crazy, and pretty unpleasant to watch as a pilot.

1) Accuracy Stability Issues-a free fire weapon of the caliber should not be pinpoint accurate that way it can only hit large targets not fast moving ground targets strafing to and fro.

It's a long range AV sniper rifle. That's the point. That's why using a FG isn't an immediate death sentence.

2) Removal of splash damage- This makes it impact only which makes sense to me if you get hit by something of that size and speed i don't care how much armor you have it should kill you.

It already deals obscene direct damage. The splash is to make it consistent with other large rail weapons and so, once again, it isn't completely useless against infantry.

3) Limitations to DS as the swarm launchers are able to make ridiculous motions to follow a moving dropship i believe them perfect for DS because it takes time for them to reach targets you have to take time to lock on DS are given a warning notice they are being targeted and cannot be used against infantry, however a FG has none of the previously state limitations therefore having a damage reduction only applicable to the DS would be ideal and make it more fair for everybody

Infantry don't get warning from the guy with a Sniper Rifle either, but you don't see CCP giving infantry a resistance to sniper rifles. If you really want to complain about this, then go cry to the rail tanks and rail installations too. they deal even more damage than the Forge Gun does. Perhaps the dropship could be notified of a rail-charge-up, but anything else is seriously pushing it.

4) Here is a more drastic look that could **** people off:
ill stick to the standard but here is my changes to attempt to balance it
Direct Damage 1200-1200
Splash Damage 210-210
Blast Radius 2.5-2.5
Charge up Time 3.5-5.5

That's almost how long it takes for the HMG to reload. It would make the gun absolutely pointless. If you were going to do this, then the gun damn well better be able to one-shot everything but proto level tanks or it'll be absolutely terrible.

Clip Size 4-1 (yes only 1)

If you honestly believe this is a good idea, then I have lost all hope in your common sense.

Reload Speed (I don't know what its current reload speed is but cut it down to 1/4th the time)

Yay, I can fire my forge gun once in the time it takes for the HMG to reload. This is beyond terrible. Even if you are cutting down on the reload time, the DPS is still so beyond laughable that it doesn't even matter.

Max Ammo 16-8

FGs already run out of ammo quickly as of now. Halfing it will just make them sit next to Supply Depots all the time.

Cpu/PG unchanged
This gives pilots and operaters time to react to a FG not to remove its usefulness as a AV
I have some other variations that you could do instead but this i feel could make its current physics make sense. I'm curious as to see your thoughts.

You have proposed no good changes. You clearly do not understand how forge guns work or how to properly pilot a dropship.

You do not pass Go, you do not collect 200 ISK.

And no, I don't play AV heavy, although I did pre-open beta.