DUST Search - Madrugar DOWN!

Buzzwords wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

1 volley got 6 missiles dealing 1800HP base damage. Against armor it is actually 2340HP per volley.

i don't think this is correct. granted we don't have stats for dust but that's just not how defenses work in new eden.

everything has a built in RESISTANCE to damage. armor is considered weak to explosives because it's starting resistance is typically 0-10%, but it's never NEGATIVE. meaning they will never take more than the amount of damage being put out by the weapon (weapon damage + shooter skills + damage mods), only ever the same amount or LESS.

Also, let's examine the op. he says he's triple repped with 6,000 armor. how many low slots does a madrugar have? 5? so at least 3 of those are being used for reppers. madrugars also don't start with anywhere NEAR 6,000 armor, so at least 1 more slot is being used for an armor plate. now this is already looking suspicious because there's no ******* way you can fit 3 large reps and 2-3K worth of armor plate on that powergrid. so at least 2 of those reppers are likely "light" reppers. as in, made for LAVs and dropships. (and no matter WHAT they are, this only leaves 1 low slot for a resistance module. but how much you wanna bet he's using it for a powergrid module to make this all fit?)

that makes 6K armor with very little to no damage resistance, and what is most likely 2 UNDER sized reppers.

so yah... this is not a case of the poor underpowered tanker being beaten up by the big bad OP swarm launcher, this is a poorly fit tank being killed by the first real AV character he's ever encountered.

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Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:40:00 - [1] - Quote lol, so I just got crushed in my madrugar via 1 man with "dark-side" advanced swarms. 2 hit death with 6k armor tripple repp'd. All I gotta say is, lol.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:46:00 - [2] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: lol, so I just got crushed in my madrugar via 1 man with "dark-side" officer swarms. 2 hit death with 6k armor tripple repp'd. All I gotta say is, lol. dark side are proto aur swarms Edit: advanced swarms with proto stats
Barnabas Wrex Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 148	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:46:00 - [3] - Quote I think it's awesome that there are these "legendary" rare weapons in the game.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 130	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:48:00 - [4] - Quote slap26 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: lol, so I just got crushed in my madrugar via 1 man with "dark-side" officer swarms. 2 hit death with 6k armor tripple repp'd. All I gotta say is, lol. dark side are proto aur swarms Wrong advance, i dont consider it proto since it requires less skill
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:48:00 - [5] - Quote slap26 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: lol, so I just got crushed in my madrugar via 1 man with "dark-side" officer swarms. 2 hit death with 6k armor tripple repp'd. All I gotta say is, lol. dark side are proto aur swarms lol ya changed that when I saw it, still 7200 damage per clip, is a little ridiculous don't ya think?
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:48:00 - [6] - Quote Do you mean the "Darkside CBR-7"? If yes then you got a case off P2W. 1 volley got 6 missiles dealing 1800HP base damage. Against armor it is actually 2340HP per volley. Then you add 2 damage mods to it, skillbook bonuses and then you get a damage over 3000HP. This can again be increased when you where running away and the swarms hit you in the back which deals around 30% additional damage. Well have fun with your armor tank.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:49:00 - [7] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: lol, so I just got crushed in my madrugar via 1 man with "dark-side" advanced swarms. 2 hit death with 6k armor tripple repp'd. All I gotta say is, lol. its pathetic how much we pay for a tank and how little they pay to destroy them
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:50:00 - [8] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Do you mean the "Darkside CBR-7"? If yes then you got a case off P2W. 1 volley got 6 missiles dealing 1800HP base damage. Against armor it is actually 2340HP per volley. Then you add 2 damage mods to it, skillbook bonuses and then you get a damage over 3000HP. This can again be increased when you where running away and the swarms hit you in the back which deals around 30% additional damage. Well have fun with your armor tank. lol and AV really needed that buff huh.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:50:00 - [9] - Quote Officer forge guns..... SoonTm. Payback is a B.... Here is to all the smoking tanks and evaporated tears to come
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Officer forge guns..... SoonTm. Payback is a B.... Here is to all the smoking tanks to come I want my officer railgun and officer turret then taste

HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:52:00 - [11] - Quote slap26 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Officer forge guns..... SoonTm. Payback is a B.... Here is to all the smoking tanks to come I want my officer railgun and officer turret then taste No officer rail guns please! That just frightens me ...... again.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:52:00 - [12] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Officer forge guns..... SoonTm. Payback is a B.... Here is to all the smoking tanks to come I highly doubt that the gastuns does the same amount of damage against a armor tank compared to that swarm launcher. Another plus point is that you only need a assault dropsuit, damage mods and you are set. While with a forgegun you need to spec into heavys. Well you could put it on a militia heavy but i think thats kinda wasted.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2013.02.07 02:36:00 - [13] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Officer forge guns..... SoonTm. Payback is a B.... Here is to all the smoking tanks and evaporated tears to come Ur just mad about that LAV uh-oh moment still
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.02.07 03:00:00 - [14] - Quote ur pub stomping with a tank and u QQ bcuz someone takes away ur i win button? doubt you'll get any sympathy.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 263	Posted - 2013.02.07 03:31:00 - [15] - Quote I find it amusing when they use them against my mlt sica usually at that point imctired of sitting in it and drive at them though...
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.02.07 03:48:00 - [16] - Quote Pardon me while I adjust my skill plan.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.02.07 03:53:00 - [17] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: Pardon me while I adjust my skill plan. Yea right. I was thinking maybe the forge isn't so cool anymore.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 130	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:04:00 - [18] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: ur pub stomping with a tank and u QQ bcuz someone takes away ur i win button? doubt you'll get any sympathy. Wow..tanks are underpowerd and you know it ive probly blown up close to 15-25 there way to easy to kill
Vash- Akura Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:16:00 - [19] - Quote So is this nerf swarms all over again?
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:16:00 - [20] - Quote wow. sure am glad you can't run up on people and shoot the ground with them anymore. instant death. oh the tears... how I miss them, yet... don't. furthermore, protip: stop treating the dropship like a tank in the sky. when you notice yourself being hit or shot at, take cover. if you're not near cover, you're probably doing it wrong. so tired of these dropship guys thinking they are awesome cause they can camp an objective, thinking they are unstoppable. I sure hope everyone specs proto swarms. :D

Vaerana Myshtana ScIdama Endless Renaissance 203	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:21:00 - [21] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: ur pub stomping with a tank and u QQ bcuz someone takes away ur i win button? doubt you'll get any sympathy. None from me. I spent half a match keeping DESTROYER [something] and his corpmate bottled up in their redzone with an ISK CBR-7 and nanohives. After the corpmate lost his Madrugar, they spent the rest of the match running from me and my clones. Still didn't keep them from getting something like 30 kills apiece, so I don't think my little broomstick was exactly OP. I was very proud of that /1 part of the corpie's KDR, though.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:23:00 - [22] - Quote damage mods do need a fix :P they don't have a stacking penalty, enjoy it while it's last :P also remember this kind of advanced balance is somethingCCP can't test untill we have 4 squads verus 4 squads and lots of people with higher tier gear. The game isn't done by a long shot, just have fun beta testing and finding new ways to break things and expose fatal flaws evil face also wasn't it someone from imperfects saying that only idoits tech into swarm launchers? lol. also note swarms do terrible verus shield tanks Forge gun on the other hands does terrible verus armor.... almost like... some kind of.... balance... Also were you being repped by other tanks wth remote reps or ground troops? slap26 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Officer forge guns..... SoonTm. Payback is a B.... Here is to all the smoking tanks to come I want my officer railgun and officer turret then taste This is true there are no officer tank mods yet
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote Well, swarms are pretty slow and easy to spot, you should have had enough time to activate all your hardeners, regenerators, enhancers, whatever wacky gear you tankers have. Now you know, not all swarms are militia pushovers anymore. Adapt and overcome.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:45:00 - [24] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: 1 volley got 6 missiles dealing 1800HP base damage. Against armor it is actually 2340HP per volley. i don't think this is correct. granted we don't have stats for dust but that's just not how defenses work in new eden. everything has a built in RESISTANCE to damage. armor is considered weak to explosives because it's starting resistance is typically 0-10%, but it's never NEGATIVE. meaning they will never take more than the amount of damage being put out by the weapon (weapon damage + shooter skills + damage mods), only ever the same amount or LESS. Also, let's examine the op. he says he's triple repped with 6,000 armor. how many low slots does a madrugar have? 5? so at least 3 of those are being used for reppers. madrugars also don't start with anywhere NEAR 6,000 armor, so at least 1 more slot is being used for an armor plate. now this is already looking suspicious because there's no ******* way you can fit 3 large reps and 2-3K worth of armor plate on that powergrid. so at least 2 of those reppers are likely "light" reppers. as in, made for LAVs and dropships. (and no matter WHAT they are, this only leaves 1 low slot for a resistance module. but how much you wanna bet he's using it for a powergrid module to make this all fit?) that makes 6K armor with very little to no damage resistance, and what is most likely 2 UNDER sized reppers. so yah... this is not a case of the poor underpowered tanker being beaten up by the big bad OP swarm launcher, this is a poorly fit tank being killed by the first real AV character he's ever encountered.
Big miku Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 91	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:48:00 - [25] - Quote The legend345 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: lol, so I just got crushed in my madrugar via 1 man with "dark-side" advanced swarms. 2 hit death with 6k armor tripple repp'd. All I gotta say is, lol. its pathetic how much we pay for a tank and how little they pay to destroy them an example of games imitating life. Every tanker who has ran over an IED has likely thought this before he died.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:54:00 - [26] - Quote Vash- Akura wrote: So is this nerf swarms all over again? Wish so, well actually no real Nerf. Manual fire swarms, 0 splash damage to infantry, so we don't have the bazooka kill people problem. I just find that much damage in a clip or per shot should take more then being able to fire it from behind a rock halfway across the map. If swarms aren't semi cheap then instead of a flare system I would like tanks to have anti-infantry swarms. By this I mean the tanks weapon systems will automatically lock anything with AV, once locked it will fire 6 heat seeking anti-infantry missiles that can follow you around corners as well as hill tops. The lil' heat seekers can hold a clip of 6, total of 18 and can be re-filled when near a supply depot. That is all.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:56:00 - [27] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: The dark cloud wrote: 1 volley got 6 missiles dealing 1800HP base damage. Against armor it is actually 2340HP per volley. i don't think this is correct. granted we don't have stats for dust but that's just not how defenses work in new eden. everything has a built in RESISTANCE to damage. armor is considered weak to explosives because it's starting resistance is typically 0-10%, but it's never NEGATIVE. meaning they will never take more than the amount of damage being put out by the weapon (weapon damage + shooter skills + damage mods), only ever the same amount or LESS. Also, let's examine the op. he says he's triple repped with 6,000 armor. how many low slots does a madrugar have? 5? so at least 3 of those are being used for reppers. madrugars also don't start with anywhere NEAR 6,000 armor, so at least 1 more slot is being used for an armor plate. now this is already looking suspicious because there's no ******* way you can fit 3 large reps and 2-3K worth of armor plate on that powergrid. so at least 2 of those reppers are likely "light" reppers. as in, made for LAVs and dropships. (and no matter WHAT they are, this only leaves 1 low slot for a resistance module. but how much you wanna bet he's using it for a powergrid module to make this all fit?) that makes 6K armor with very little to no damage resistance, and what is most likely 2 UNDER sized reppers. so yah... this is not a case of the poor underpowered tanker being beaten up by the big bad OP swarm launcher, this is a poorly fit tank being killed by the first real AV character he's ever encountered. Not giving you my fit but, 1 shield rep 2 armor Mechanics V
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 130	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:57:00 - [28] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Vash- Akura wrote: So is this nerf swarms all over again? Wish so, well actually no real Nerf. Manual fire swarms, 0 splash damage to infantry, so we don't have the bazooka kill people problem. I just find that much damage in a clip or per shot should take more then being able to fire it from behind a rock halfway across the map. If swarms aren't semi cheap then instead of a flare system I would like tanks to have anti-infantry swarms. By this I mean the tanks weapon systems will automatically lock anything with AV, once locked it will fire 6 heat seeking anti-infantry missiles that can follow you around corners as well as hill tops. The lil' heat seekers can hold a clip of 6, total of 18 and can be re-filled when near a supply depot. That is all. Add this and we will see some people change the way they look at their free auto lock no skill swarms
Big miku Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 91	Posted - 2013.02.07 04:57:00 - [29] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: [ Wish so, well actually no real Nerf. Manual fire swarms, 0 splash damage to infantry, so we don't have the bazooka kill people problem. I just find that much damage in a clip or per shot should take more then being able to fire it from behind a rock halfway across the map. If swarms aren't semi cheap then instead of a flare system I would like tanks to have anti-infantry swarms. By this I mean the tanks weapon systems will automatically lock anything with AV, once locked it will fire 6 heat seeking anti-infantry missiles that can follow you around corners as well as hill tops. The lil' heat seekers can hold a clip of 6, total of 18 and can be re-filled when near a supply depot. That is all. While we're in the mood for crazy. I say Heavies should have shield seeking bullets. and why can't drop ships have 6 turrets? flares would be nice though, or "IR" smoke like BF3 has.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.07 05:15:00 - [30] - Quote dust needs kill mails



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