DUST Search - Heavies are OP but Scout + Shotgun is fine right?

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

crazy space 1 wrote:

it's like the game designers know what they are doing.

btw the goal of a game desinger is to make your life harder not easier. Look at any game, like golf. It'd be easier if all you had to do was put the ball in the hole, but there are sand tarps and water and big field in the way.

This is odd, I don't think people are used to a shooter with counters yet lol. In BF3 or MW *which I love playing* every weapon kills everyone. But in this game weapons are situational. Heavies are fine, Shotguns are fine.

"Rock is OP, Paper is fine"
-Scissors

yea getting 2 shotted from 10ft seems fine...btw, wasn't even an advanced shotgun.

As a heavy I can say I have no problem with a nerf on range and heat build up...yet it's funny I won't hear a scout say "yea shotguns are a little too good"

This community is shaping up to be a joke. Funny thing is, I'm not the guy to ever go on threads and say stuff is OP and needs a nerf, but the shotguns are ridiculous.

But hey, people not gonna admit it right? Can't take away the easy switch just like that! Let's make noise about the HMG and heavies some more... in fact, let's just take them out the game because when everyone runs proto suits, heavies will be a bigger joke.

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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:35:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah getting 1 shotted or 2 shotted from a shotgun from 10 ft away seems balanced... I'm using an HMG shooting a scout running straight towards me, but he kills me with 2 shots. Anyone who thinks heavies are OP is an idiot. Heavies are already a joke and people aren't running proto suits yet.
Technical-Support Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:37:00 - [2] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Yeah getting 1 shotted or 2 shotted from a shotgun from 10 ft away seems balanced... I'm using an HMG shooting a scout running straight towards me, but he kills me with 2 shots. Anyone who thinks heavies are OP is an idiot. Heavies are already a joke and people aren't running proto suits yet. HARD / COUNTER
Spec Ops Cipher UnReaL. 14	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:39:00 - [3] - Quote Heavies are underpowered, but shotgun scouts have weaknesses too. I don't mind them as much as I used to, no one dies it well anymore
Livith Kai Area 519 16	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:39:00 - [4] - Quote So... you are upset that a shotgun kills in 1-2 hits close up...?
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:40:00 - [5] - Quote Its a CQC weapon ffs Its not ment to kill you from 20m away its ment to be up close and personal and 10ft aka 3m is perfectly fine
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 330	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:40:00 - [6] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Yeah getting 1 shotted or 2 shotted from a shotgun from 10 ft away seems balanced... I'm using an HMG shooting a scout running straight towards me, but he kills me with 2 shots. Anyone who thinks heavies are OP is an idiot. Heavies are already a joke and people aren't running proto suits yet. Wait, so the scout that needs to get in close to do anything and dies in 7 shots is OP but the guy with huge health and damage rating from all ranges is not?
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:42:00 - [7] - Quote this is false, a shotgun needs to deal 4 direct shots to kill a well fitted heavy. Unless it's a high level shotgun with maxed out skills.
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:43:00 - [8] - Quote HMG needs much more spread and a spool up time, a heavy 30m away will kill a guy with an AR before he loses half his armor.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:43:00 - [9] - Quote While I do agree about the shotguns (to a certain extent), I feel like this whole "Heavy is OP" discussion needs to be dropped already. The QQers have come out with their reasoning and the veteran heavy players have come out and debunked all of the nonsense. Stop Crying 2013 (not directed at you Lance)
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:44:00 - [10] - Quote this shotgun noobery will cease when they fix the lag problems

Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 431	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:46:00 - [11] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Yeah getting 1 shotted or 2 shotted from a shotgun from 10 ft away seems balanced... I'm using an HMG shooting a scout running straight towards me, but he kills me with 2 shots. Anyone who thinks heavies are OP is an idiot. Heavies are already a joke and people aren't running proto suits yet. Lance, I respect your attempt to bring reason to the Open Masterbetas but they won't see reason. Just be smug like the rest of us and acknowledge that all who cry Nerf, OP, (sometimes Buff) are the brainless who don't understand Elmo when he says Sesame Street wrote: Today's Dust 514 are brought to you by the terms strategy & tactics But, shotguns need only very slight rebalancing, maybe a decrease in RoF
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:46:00 - [12] - Quote Considering that you could have killed that scout with less than five bullets from of your giant machine gun, I'd say you got outplayed hard.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:48:00 - [13] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: this is false, a shotgun needs to deal 4 direct shots to kill a well fitted heavy. Unless it's a high level shotgun with maxed out skills. no it does not. I counted the shots. 2 shots = me dead. He wasn't even 5 ft away...he was more like 10 ft. I know up close they're suppose to kill, I'm not an idiot, but when I'm seeing a scout running towards, WHILE I'm shooting him with an HMG from 10ft, and I get 2 shotted, that's not balanced. Within 5 ft I can take. Yea up close I'm suppose to be dead, but 100ft? 2 shotted? LOOOOL Yea it's funny people keep saying shotguns are fine while an HMG can't even take out a scout at 10 ft. Great logic guys.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 46	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:48:00 - [14] - Quote Optimum range seems a bit insane sometimes.
Cody Sietz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 63	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:51:00 - [15] - Quote If they nerf shotguns, then they should nerf HMGs as well. Shotgun gets less pellets while the HMG gets less range.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:57:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: If they nerf shotguns, then they should nerf HMGs as well. Shotgun gets less pellets while the HMG gets less range. The nerf HMG's has been talked about MANY times. Every decent heavy has no problem with nerfing the range and heat build up. Any heavy that has a problem doesn't have skill. But no one talks about the shotguns here. Everything is heavy this, and heavy that, while an HMG is a joke compared to a shotgun wielding scout with speed mods lagging all over the screen due to frame rate drops. So I'm seeing him 10ft off but in reality he's right there. So yea, nerf the guy with the hitbox of a truck, and do nothing about a scout + shotgun combo. GG community.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:01:00 - [17] - Quote it's like the game designers know what they are doing. btw the goal of a game desinger is to make your life harder not easier. Look at any game, like golf. It'd be easier if all you had to do was put the ball in the hole, but there are sand tarps and water and big field in the way. This is odd, I don't think people are used to a shooter with counters yet lol. In BF3 or MW which I love playing every weapon kills everyone. But in this game weapons are situational. Heavies are fine, Shotguns are fine. "Rock is OP, Paper is fine" -Scissors
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:03:00 - [18] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: this is false, a shotgun needs to deal 4 direct shots to kill a well fitted heavy. Unless it's a high level shotgun with maxed out skills. I walked up and one-shotted an ADV heavy with the militia the other day... So no. The only problem with Shotguns right now is that the militia version packs too much bang for it's buck, really. Other than that, I don't have a problem with 'em. But it would be nice to see people stop complaining about Heavies.
Technical-Support Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:03:00 - [19] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: it's like the game designers know what they are doing. btw the goal of a game desinger is to make your life harder not easier. Look at any game, like golf. It'd be easier if all you had to do was put the ball in the hole, but there are sand tarps and water and big field in the way. This is odd, I don't think people are used to a shooter with counters yet lol. In BF3 or MW which I love playing every weapon kills everyone. But in this game weapons are situational. Heavies are fine, Shotguns are fine. "Rock is OP, Paper is fine" -Scissors HMG-¦s are OP, Shotguns are fine.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:04:00 - [20] - Quote I like how the heavy players cry about one of the only few things in this game that can act as a direct counter to a heavy. A classic case of "IT KILLED ME, NERF IT!" shotguns dominate in CQC situations, it's your fault he got that close to you.

Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:05:00 - [21] - Quote I agree, thing is, it probably was a militia shotgun he used to :/
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:06:00 - [22] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: it's like the game designers know what they are doing. btw the goal of a game desinger is to make your life harder not easier. Look at any game, like golf. It'd be easier if all you had to do was put the ball in the hole, but there are sand tarps and water and big field in the way. This is odd, I don't think people are used to a shooter with counters yet lol. In BF3 or MW which I love playing every weapon kills everyone. But in this game weapons are situational. Heavies are fine, Shotguns are fine. "Rock is OP, Paper is fine" -Scissors lmao
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:06:00 - [23] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: If they nerf shotguns, then they should nerf HMGs as well. Shotgun gets less pellets while the HMG gets less range. The nerf HMG's has been talked about MANY times. Every decent heavy has no problem with nerfing the range and heat build up. Any heavy that has a problem doesn't have skill. But no one talks about the shotguns here. Everything is heavy this, and heavy that, while an HMG is a joke compared to a shotgun wielding scout with speed mods lagging all over the screen due to frame rate drops. So I'm seeing him 10ft off but in reality he's right there. So yea, nerf the guy with the hitbox of a truck, and do nothing about a scout + shotgun combo. GG community. Have you ever even shot a scout? They die in 4-5 bullets. I lol evertime I see a scout. Most of the time they can only kill me from behind. L2 aim fatty.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:06:00 - [24] - Quote Guys, when the Logi player is telling you to get good and flank, then it's probably not the heavy. <--- A logibro telling you to get good and flank.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:06:00 - [25] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: it's like the game designers know what they are doing. btw the goal of a game desinger is to make your life harder not easier. Look at any game, like golf. It'd be easier if all you had to do was put the ball in the hole, but there are sand tarps and water and big field in the way. This is odd, I don't think people are used to a shooter with counters yet lol. In BF3 or MW which I love playing every weapon kills everyone. But in this game weapons are situational. Heavies are fine, Shotguns are fine. "Rock is OP, Paper is fine" -Scissors yea getting 2 shotted from 10ft seems fine...btw, wasn't even an advanced shotgun. As a heavy I can say I have no problem with a nerf on range and heat build up...yet it's funny I won't hear a scout say "yea shotguns are a little too good" This community is shaping up to be a joke. Funny thing is, I'm not the guy to ever go on threads and say stuff is OP and needs a nerf, but the shotguns are ridiculous. But hey, people not gonna admit it right? Can't take away the easy switch just like that! Let's make noise about the HMG and heavies some more... in fact, let's just take them out the game because when everyone runs proto suits, heavies will be a bigger joke.
Re-FLeX Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 152	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:09:00 - [26] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: it's like the game designers know what they are doing. btw the goal of a game desinger is to make your life harder not easier. Look at any game, like golf. It'd be easier if all you had to do was put the ball in the hole, but there are sand tarps and water and big field in the way. This is odd, I don't think people are used to a shooter with counters yet lol. In BF3 or MW which I love playing every weapon kills everyone. But in this game weapons are situational. Heavies are fine, Shotguns are fine. "Rock is OP, Paper is fine" -Scissors yea getting 2 shotted from 10ft seems fine...btw, wasn't even an advanced shotgun. As a heavy I can say I have no problem with a nerf on range and heat build up...yet it's funny I won't hear a scout say "yea shotguns are a little too good" This community is shaping up to be a joke. Funny thing is, I'm not the guy to ever go on threads and say stuff is OP and needs a nerf, but the shotguns are ridiculous. But hey, people not gonna admit it right? Can't take away the easy switch just like that! Let's make noise about the HMG and heavies some more... in fact, let's just take them out the game because when everyone runs proto suits, heavies will be a bigger joke. Heavy suits needs to be relooked at, HMG-¦s are IMBA right now don-¦t deny that fact, scout + shotguns are fine they die so fast and its the only hard counter to a heavy.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:12:00 - [27] - Quote O a big LOOOOOL @ people telling me how to play. I've been on dust for months. I've played EVERY class, and know how every class works. I'm heavy now for 2-3 months and on THIS build I'm at a 8 KD. "oh how about flanking"... did you even read what I wrote? The scout is running STRAIGHT AT ME WHILE I WAS SHOOTING HIM. Frame rate issues / lag + the shotgun dmg range being ridiculous. Not a matter of L2A, or learn to flank. The FACT i'm pointing out is more people complaining about heavies than people complaining about something than can 2 shot people at range. But hey, I'm a scrub right? I obviously can't play, and I obviously don't know how other classes work.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:13:00 - [28] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Yeah getting 1 shotted or 2 shotted from a shotgun from 10 ft away seems balanced... I'm using an HMG shooting a scout running straight towards me, but he kills me with 2 shots. Anyone who thinks heavies are OP is an idiot. Heavies are already a joke and people aren't running proto suits yet. been there done that debate 2 builds ago about shotgun damage... they're fine and should be devastating at close range. Only question was about the militia shotgun being not so much different from a standard one. And even there, it's different in the same way that all militia weapons are different from their standard. Counter a scout shotgun is painfull when caught by surprise in a close area but hey that's the point deal with it. But even in this situation you can dodge the great reaper and when outmanoeuvered that scout dude drops pretty quickly with any weapon and especially an SMG that will pretty much skill their speed through very high ROF. Or hell cook a grenade...
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.06 16:12:00 - [29] - Quote sorry guys, i don't really get the impression something is op in the game, I'm now playing since its Open Beta, and most times I die I understand exactly why, couldn't get a nice aim on enemy, Heavy waiting around the corner while being normal assault or stuff like that. So what I want to tell is that you guys shouldn't blame the game all the time, maybe it's just your gamestyle, and sometimes you just have to accept that there are other guys out there who are better than you are. Personaly I also think the HMG could lose some of its range because it's nearly a sniper rifle and I think this ain't the normal use of such a massive gun, or otherwise, I never experienced that in any other game. But on the other hand there are situations in this game where you just have to pack your bag and leave as fast as you can, that's normaly the time an heavy shows up, and for sure you have to be tricky to kill them, on the other hand the heavy player will lose a shitload of money if he dies, so I don't really see where this is unfair, and this goes nearly through he whole game IMO. I think we shouldn't blame the game for our mistakes. Sometimes I really miss this "Here is your ship and ** you" attitude from eve in dust, maybe all this whining ** would stop then.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 130	Posted - 2013.02.06 16:15:00 - [30] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Yeah getting 1 shotted or 2 shotted from a shotgun from 10 ft away seems balanced... I'm using an HMG shooting a scout running straight towards me, but he kills me with 2 shots. Anyone who thinks heavies are OP is an idiot. Heavies are already a joke and people aren't running proto suits yet. Theres a counter to everything that just happens to be a way to counter heavies



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