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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:35:00 -
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Don't worry, this is not a complaining, or whining, or QQ-ing thing, and for sure it's not a compliment. It's just an observation and some info.
The Imperfects is one of the best corps out there. That is a known fact. However, there are certain reasons why. Imperfects have people specialized into every role. They know their strengths and weaknesses. And each of their players is above average (except for some, mentioning them would be mean).
This creates the Imperfect effect. It's been called by other names in others games, like MAG, or Killzone, or Battlefield, or EvE, and Halo as well.
Basically, the Imperfects affect the balance of the game as they are. A compact, compressed, collection of some of the best players in the game. Usually when this happens, the major corp/clan is hated, and admired, and more and more "noobs" start piling in, hoping to cash in on the fame. Individually, their best players have skill, even if they don't work as a team, they can still hold up. Personally, I think this is a negative thing, you want competition, yet you have the competition join you. If the "talent" was spread around, more competitive games could be played, better pub matches and overall corps. But don't worry, the players are learning. Quickly, other corps will rise.
And then, sooner or later, it will all fall apart. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:40:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Don't worry, this is not a complaining, or whining, or QQ-ing thing, and for sure it's not a compliment. It's just an observation and some info. The Imperfects is one of the best corps out there. That is a known fact. However, there are certain reasons why. Imperfects have people specialized into every role. They know their strengths and weaknesses. And each of their players is above average (except for some, mentioning them would be mean ). This creates the Imperfect effect. It's been called by other names in others games, like MAG, or Killzone, or Battlefield, or EvE, and Halo as well. Basically, the Imperfects affect the balance of the game as they are. A compact, compressed, collection of some of the best players in the game. Usually when this happens, the major corp/clan is hated, and admired, and more and more "noobs" start piling in, hoping to cash in on the fame. Individually, their best players have skill, even if they don't work as a team, they can still hold up. Personally, I think this is a negative thing, you want competition, yet you have the competition join you. If the "talent" was spread around, more competitive games could be played, better pub matches and overall corps. But don't worry, the players are learning. Quickly, other corps will rise. And then, sooner or later, it will all fall apart.
So you want Mr. Zitro then? I heard he's pretty cheap, if you know what I mean |
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:41:00 -
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Another thing that should be noted is that every corp will earn its reputation, positive or negative, through the actions of its members. Even the Imperfects and my own corp are not immune to this, as we have seen each of them earn their own reputation throughout the closed beta and beyond, all through the actions of the corp members.
Not really a complaint mind you, just something that I have been observing during my time here. :) |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:43:00 -
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I saw an imperfect play solo on a server today.
He was running around advanced armour and kit, then when he died twice he seemingly decided dieing was too expensive and started sniping.
To give him his due he was an excellent sniper, I think he finished at the top of his team 24/2 I think. That being said his side did lose. I can't help but feel he might have actually won the battle if he himself had gotten stuck in and not been so worried about his K/D ratio. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:43:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:And then, sooner or later, it will all fall apart. That's what they said would happen after the tournament. |
Treemugger
I mug trees.
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:44:00 -
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They're like the Borg, assimilating the best until they cannot be beat.
They're called the Imperfects because they have not yet achieved perfection, which is their ultimate goal.
Like the Borg, once they assimilate all the best, they'll really have nothing left to do.
It all makes sense now. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:47:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:you want competition, yet you have the competition join you
This is probably the biggest misconception about us. It's not like we hold a gun to everyone's head (at least outside the game) and force them to join us. People are free to turn down an offer, as some have already. We only invite people who are friends or who we've enjoyed playing with in the past, though. If you're good but don't get along with us, you won't have to worry about getting asked. |
Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:48:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Don't worry, this is not a complaining, or whining, or QQ-ing thing, and for sure it's not a compliment. It's just an observation and some info. The Imperfects is one of the best corps out there. That is a known fact. However, there are certain reasons why. Imperfects have people specialized into every role. They know their strengths and weaknesses. And each of their players is above average (except for some, mentioning them would be mean ). This creates the Imperfect effect. It's been called by other names in others games, like MAG, or Killzone, or Battlefield, or EvE, and Halo as well. Basically, the Imperfects affect the balance of the game as they are. A compact, compressed, collection of some of the best players in the game. Usually when this happens, the major corp/clan is hated, and admired, and more and more "noobs" start piling in, hoping to cash in on the fame. Individually, their best players have skill, even if they don't work as a team, they can still hold up. Personally, I think this is a negative thing, you want competition, yet you have the competition join you. If the "talent" was spread around, more competitive games could be played, better pub matches and overall corps. But don't worry, the players are learning. Quickly, other corps will rise. And then, sooner or later, it will all fall apart.
Wishful thinking? Why does it have to fall apart. Why can't it keep expanding forever and ever. Sure some want competition but hey complete and utter control and dominance does have a nice ring to it too.
Edit-- Not everyone good is asked to join and ALL come of their own choosing. If those players felt they could do well in their previous corps and had a purpose and a vision maybe they wouldn't leave in the first place as some have not already. Just saying perhaps its best to build your own brand than try to somehow take pot shots at ours |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
634
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:49:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:And then, sooner or later, it will all fall apart. That's what they said would happen after the tournament. Yeah, the same could be said about any group. Given a long enough timeline, of course they'll no longer exist eventually. |
DigiOps
DUST University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:50:00 -
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I've been hoping to run into a few again in a pub match (on the same team of course) so I can follow them around and learn a bit. No such luck, though. :( |
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:54:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:I've been hoping to run into a few again in a pub match (on the same team of course) so I can follow them around and learn a bit. No such luck, though. :(
Just buy Zitro's book he's finally released an e-reader version. |
DigiOps
DUST University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:58:00 -
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-_- |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
330
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:28:00 -
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Too many followers in this game, Kinda like the pubstars that put "FaZe" or "Optic" in front of their name, these are the people that fling to the Imps, while there is nothing wrong with that and people are free to do as they want, it's kinda of saddening not see better players having some originality and joining lesser known corps or making their own. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
330
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:28:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:DigiOps wrote:I've been hoping to run into a few again in a pub match (on the same team of course) so I can follow them around and learn a bit. No such luck, though. :( Just buy Zitro's book he's finally released an e-reader version.
Does this book really exist? I've heard about it a lot so I'd like a chance to read it. |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:13:00 -
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icy your a good dude so i am going to let you down softly here. Imperfects are lazy in pubs and hardly play as a team. Its rare that ccp matches us with anyone decent on the other team. In the end we basically are just farming redscrubbies like other good teams do.
A lot of us want to play skirmish more but trying to carry 12 scrubberries isn't worth it. So we end up in ambush farming, again.
This is makes us worse. Not to mention we haven't actually had a real practice since 2 weeks before the finals of the tourny. Nor have we done an actual Imperfect vs Imperfect scrim.
So no, we aren't going to break up we get along just fine (when we actually play dust). Lots of players hate having to grind everyday and simply aren't playing. I have hope for the weekly cap system so we can get back to be a functioning corp.
So thats the real imperfect effect, or the truth if you would.
Note: lots of imps are playing crysis 3 instead of dust (but its so bad that we look forward to working for ccp for 90 minutes a day to get sp) |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
29
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:17:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I saw an imperfect play solo on a server today.
He was running around advanced armour and kit, then when he died twice he seemingly decided dieing was too expensive and started sniping.
To give him his due he was an excellent sniper, I think he finished at the top of his team 24/2 I think. That being said his side did lose. I can't help but feel he might have actually won the battle if he himself had gotten stuck in and not been so worried about his K/D ratio.
A lot of the 'elite' corporations in Eve or Dust look for high K/D ratios, and if you somehow don't look good wit hem, you're worthless, despite circumstances behind it.
Just look at Eve online and the current stagnancy of nullsec. Most of those alliances are too afraid of losing their ratios to get into good fights.
Gunner Nightingale wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Don't worry, this is not a complaining, or whining, or QQ-ing thing, and for sure it's not a compliment. It's just an observation and some info. The Imperfects is one of the best corps out there. That is a known fact. However, there are certain reasons why. Imperfects have people specialized into every role. They know their strengths and weaknesses. And each of their players is above average (except for some, mentioning them would be mean ). This creates the Imperfect effect. It's been called by other names in others games, like MAG, or Killzone, or Battlefield, or EvE, and Halo as well. Basically, the Imperfects affect the balance of the game as they are. A compact, compressed, collection of some of the best players in the game. Usually when this happens, the major corp/clan is hated, and admired, and more and more "noobs" start piling in, hoping to cash in on the fame. Individually, their best players have skill, even if they don't work as a team, they can still hold up. Personally, I think this is a negative thing, you want competition, yet you have the competition join you. If the "talent" was spread around, more competitive games could be played, better pub matches and overall corps. But don't worry, the players are learning. Quickly, other corps will rise. And then, sooner or later, it will all fall apart. Wishful thinking? Why does it have to fall apart. Why can't it keep expanding forever and ever. Sure some want competition but hey complete and utter control and dominance does have a nice ring to it too. Edit-- Not everyone good is asked to join and ALL come of their own choosing. If those players felt they could do well in their previous corps and had a purpose and a vision maybe they wouldn't leave in the first place as some have not already. Just saying perhaps its best to build your own brand than try to somehow take pot shots at ours
Yes, and if you keep it together, you get the current snorefest that is eve nullsec ATM. |
Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:19:00 -
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Treemugger wrote:They're like the Borg, assimilating the best until they cannot be beat.
They're called the Imperfects because they have not yet achieved perfection, which is their ultimate goal.
Like the Borg, once they assimilate all the best, they'll really have nothing left to do.
It all makes sense now.
IMPERFECTS when broken down spells I M PERFECTS.... coincidence? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:24:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:icy your a good dude so i am going to let you down softly here. Imperfects are lazy in pubs and hardly play as a team. Its rare that ccp matches us with anyone decent on the other team. In the end we basically are just farming redscrubbies like other good teams do.
A lot of us want to play skirmish more but trying to carry 12 scrubberries isn't worth it. So we end up in ambush farming, again.
This is makes us worse. Not to mention we haven't actually had a real practice since 2 weeks before the finals of the tourny. Nor have we done an actual Imperfect vs Imperfect scrim.
So no, we aren't going to break up we get along just fine (when we actually play dust). Lots of players hate having to grind everyday and simply aren't playing. I have hope for the weekly cap system so we can get back to be a functioning corp.
So thats the real imperfect effect, or the truth if you would.
Note: lots of imps are playing crysis 3 instead of dust (but its so bad that we look forward to working for ccp for 90 minutes a day to get sp)
Didn't PFBhz give you a hard time? |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:25:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Treemugger wrote:They're like the Borg, assimilating the best until they cannot be beat.
They're called the Imperfects because they have not yet achieved perfection, which is their ultimate goal.
Like the Borg, once they assimilate all the best, they'll really have nothing left to do.
It all makes sense now. IMPERFECTS when broken down spells I M PERFECTS.... coincidence?
Actually its just Imperfects, because we have a sense of humor about ourselves. Hell if you heard Mr. Zitro talk to me on coms you would think I was that zdog kid. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:26:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Treemugger wrote:They're like the Borg, assimilating the best until they cannot be beat.
They're called the Imperfects because they have not yet achieved perfection, which is their ultimate goal.
Like the Borg, once they assimilate all the best, they'll really have nothing left to do.
It all makes sense now. IMPERFECTS when broken down spells I M PERFECTS.... coincidence?
I M PS WARM. |
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CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:27:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:you want competition, yet you have the competition join you This is probably the biggest misconception about us. It's not like we hold a gun to everyone's head (at least outside the game) and force them to join us. People are free to turn down an offer, as some have already. We only invite people who are friends or who we've enjoyed playing with in the past, though. If you're good but don't get along with us, you won't have to worry about getting asked.
Lol wow its getting deep in here.I think I might need some waders.Is that why the Imps are trying to recruit the Team Players.They never played with you guys ever....Why you picked up Doug and Young Cuz.....
Ps.Im not mad....... Im just calling you out on your Bull sh*t |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:29:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Free Beers wrote:icy your a good dude so i am going to let you down softly here. Imperfects are lazy in pubs and hardly play as a team. Its rare that ccp matches us with anyone decent on the other team. In the end we basically are just farming redscrubbies like other good teams do.
A lot of us want to play skirmish more but trying to carry 12 scrubberries isn't worth it. So we end up in ambush farming, again.
This is makes us worse. Not to mention we haven't actually had a real practice since 2 weeks before the finals of the tourny. Nor have we done an actual Imperfect vs Imperfect scrim.
So no, we aren't going to break up we get along just fine (when we actually play dust). Lots of players hate having to grind everyday and simply aren't playing. I have hope for the weekly cap system so we can get back to be a functioning corp.
So thats the real imperfect effect, or the truth if you would.
Note: lots of imps are playing crysis 3 instead of dust (but its so bad that we look forward to working for ccp for 90 minutes a day to get sp) Didn't PFBhz give you a hard time?
They beat us. What I typed above has nothing to do with that though.
I was simply trying to tell you that 98% of the time what you see in pubs is just farming scrubs. Not any sort of teamwork/squad diversity/tatics that you stated in your OP. We make squads of who is avail at the time.
I think you are just trying to look to much into it. We have like 35 active Imperfects right now and are like .00001 of the dust merc population. We have no effect |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:36:00 -
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CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:you want competition, yet you have the competition join you This is probably the biggest misconception about us. It's not like we hold a gun to everyone's head (at least outside the game) and force them to join us. People are free to turn down an offer, as some have already. We only invite people who are friends or who we've enjoyed playing with in the past, though. If you're good but don't get along with us, you won't have to worry about getting asked. Lol wow its getting deep in here.I think I might need some waders.Is that why the Imps are trying to recruit the Team Players.They never played with you guys ever....Why you picked up Doug and Young Cuz..... Ps.Im not mad....... Im just calling you out on your Bull sh*t
Well as the main recruiter for known (exp/good) players for imperfects I have never spoken to or recruited teamplayers. I am not saying anything negative about them. I will even say Cubs is an elite level heavy, we simply dont have a need though.
So I have to call bullshit on that.
Doug we looked at after he had left a corp and was in npc corp. Youngcuz we had looked at since we picked up gslick/GodNova. We we were picking up deadpool youngcuz wanted to come too.
You would be suprised how many players contact us to join. We have approached very few that didn't tell us they were interested in joining first. |
Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:36:00 -
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CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:you want competition, yet you have the competition join you This is probably the biggest misconception about us. It's not like we hold a gun to everyone's head (at least outside the game) and force them to join us. People are free to turn down an offer, as some have already. We only invite people who are friends or who we've enjoyed playing with in the past, though. If you're good but don't get along with us, you won't have to worry about getting asked. Lol wow its getting deep in here.I think I might need some waders.Is that why the Imps are trying to recruit the Team Players.They never played with you guys ever....Why you picked up Doug and Young Cuz..... Ps.Im not mad....... Im just calling you out on your Bull sh*t
Doug was never Teamplayers so might want to get that one right. |
Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:36:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Treemugger wrote:They're like the Borg, assimilating the best until they cannot be beat.
They're called the Imperfects because they have not yet achieved perfection, which is their ultimate goal.
Like the Borg, once they assimilate all the best, they'll really have nothing left to do.
It all makes sense now. IMPERFECTS when broken down spells I M PERFECTS.... coincidence? I M PS WARM.
I M WARM PS on ICY's head
fixed. |
SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:44:00 -
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You must have a secret love for the imperfect's Icy given them all this publicity. I'll make sure to smack you around myself next so Zion can get an interesting post. |
CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:47:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:you want competition, yet you have the competition join you This is probably the biggest misconception about us. It's not like we hold a gun to everyone's head (at least outside the game) and force them to join us. People are free to turn down an offer, as some have already. We only invite people who are friends or who we've enjoyed playing with in the past, though. If you're good but don't get along with us, you won't have to worry about getting asked. Lol wow its getting deep in here.I think I might need some waders.Is that why the Imps are trying to recruit the Team Players.They never played with you guys ever....Why you picked up Doug and Young Cuz..... Ps.Im not mad....... Im just calling you out on your Bull sh*t Doug was never Teamplayers so might want to get that one right.
I never said Doug was a Team Player.We are talking about The IMps acquiring all good players.
Might want to work on your reading comprehension...
Oh and I got a question for ya...Whats it like playing for the IMps 2nd string?I admit I am impressed that they could convince people to join a "your not as good as US" B-team.... Lol can You say fanboi?
Reeks of Border line Homosexuality |
Zig Zag Zan
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:51:00 -
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CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:you want competition, yet you have the competition join you This is probably the biggest misconception about us. It's not like we hold a gun to everyone's head (at least outside the game) and force them to join us. People are free to turn down an offer, as some have already. We only invite people who are friends or who we've enjoyed playing with in the past, though. If you're good but don't get along with us, you won't have to worry about getting asked. Lol wow its getting deep in here.I think I might need some waders.Is that why the Imps are trying to recruit the Team Players.They never played with you guys ever....Why you picked up Doug and Young Cuz..... Ps.Im not mad....... Im just calling you out on your Bull sh*t Doug was never Teamplayers so might want to get that one right. I never said Doug was a Team Player.We are talking about The IMps acquiring all good players. Might want to work on your reading comprehension... Why don't you post in your main?
Also there are still alot of good players that are either not interested in joining us or we're not interested in taking them in. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:55:00 -
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Thanks for clearing up some stuff Free Beers. |
Elrick Mercer
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:55:00 -
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It's natural for good players to want to play with good players. No one wants to hold up dead weight. |
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