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madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
27
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:13:00 -
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Jetpacks would be just plain awesome in dust.
I've heard people saying, "oh jetpacks willl make people think its a halo clone", and other cr*p like that.
just so everyone could be clear on this, Halo was not the first FPS with jetpacks! Also who cares what people think of other games, this is dust, not something else.
But seriously, what would be wrong with jetpacks?
There are many simple ways to avoid jetpacks becoming too OP. For starters, jetpacks will only be able to provide a certain amount of thrust. Thrust can be limited by several factors, one would be: The weight of a dropsuit, the heavier the dropsuit is, the slower it will accelerate with a jetpack. Therefore the suits type, sub-tybe and modules equipped will end up determining its overall weight.
In the favor of how CCP has run/sprint speeds set up, we'll say that the fastest suits would be inherently the lightest.
With 1 being the lightest and 4 being the heaviest, including suit sub-types:
1: Scout Type II: 7.8 m/s 2: Scout Type I: 7.7 m/s 3: Assault Type II: 7.1 m/s 4: Logistics Type II/Assault Type I: 7 m/s 5: Logistics Type I: 6.6 m/s 6:Heavy Type II: 5.5 m/s 7: Heavy Type II: 5.1 m/s
* This list uses the suits base stats.
So, with this system, lets get some hypothetical numbers in place. Using the average clone weight of 185 pounds and approximate (hypothetical) weights of dropsuits, we can reach a total approx. weight.
1 = approx. 300 pounds 2 = approx. 320 pounds 3 = approx. 350 pounds 4 = approx. 485 pounds 5 = approx. 400 pounds 6 = approx. 485 pounds 7 = approx. 550 pounds
* lets not forget that the drosuits are hydraulically assisted using internal sensors, to make it possible for a human to operate such a heavy outfit. ** Also these weights would not include potential armor plating, which would increase a suits weight and therefore reduce it's speed and benefit from thrust.
Jetpacks (strictly the module, not the effect on the dropsuit) can have different thrust levels depending on either meta/technology level, "jetpack operation" skill or a combination of the both. Lets say for example:
A basic Type I jetpack, should have approximately these stats:
Burn time: 6 seconds Thrust amount: 565 pounds of thrust Recharge time: 12 seconds (from 0) Move speed penatly: 3% Scan profile penalty : 10% (only during use)
* A proper PG and CPU cost can be determined later ** As well as a proper slot allocation
Having a thrust amount slightly higher than the heaviest available dropsuit in the game, would give the Type I Jetpack the ability to give said dropsuit a very small amount of lift while in use. Basically just a small amount of lift past the ability to hover in place. The lighter dropsuits on the other hand would gain a nice, jump and boost ability giving them the option to reach low buildings or rooftops from ground level, without having to climb deathtraps... i mean ladders.
The jetpack operation skill can be defined as strictly a prereq. for other types of jetpacks like the current dropsuit system. Whereas level one training only unlocks Type I suits, and level II training unlocks different variants of the Type I before becoming Advanced Tech.
A possible Type II variant could have increased PG cost for slightly higher thrust levels. Possibly less upward thrust, resulting in more forward thrust, or even a reduction in the move speed penalty from equipping the jetpack.
Perhaps a jetpack proficiency skill could be used to increase lift or burn time. Heck multiple jetpack skills could be utilized, modifying recharge time, burn time, thrust, even CPU/PG cost.
Jetpacks should be an equippable module, whether it is a high/low slot or equipment slot, they should only need to be activated by holding the x button after a jump to engage them for immediate lift.
Just some more notes as to why they couldn't get too OP:
1: There is nowhere on any of the maps you could get to with a jetpack, that you couldn't get to with a dropship. 2: Only the players willing the sacrifice a module slot as well as having the required amount of PG/CPU for a jetpack will be using them. 3: Heavies will only benefit by being able to jump the tiny obstacle they can't currently get over (not soar over you). 4: Having a jetpack equipped will actually slow down your move speed until activated. 5: Specialization will be required, as not every player will have the spare SP for a skill they may not always use. 6: Flying too high while taking fire may cause you to fall to your death after your jetpack runs out of boost. 7: Limit jetpack use so that it can not be activated after a certain amount of free fall time to avoid dampener activation or loosing of the ability to fire your weapon in mid-air. 8: Using a jetpack to fly and fire, will only be effective with certain weapons. 9: Flying targets can't maneuver quickly and are easy targets. 10: Jetpacks will only be useful in specific situations, like assaulting cap points or reaching sniper nests. 11: Jetpacks are fun :D
Feedback plus your own ideas are always ww |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
155
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:35:00 -
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I'm all for jet packs as long as I can safely slam into a flying mercenary without my dropship exploding too. |
thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
15
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:27:00 -
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If they put in a jetpack, they should make it like the one in killzone 3. |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
27
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:36:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:I'm all for jet packs as long as I can safely slam into a flying mercenary without my dropship exploding too.
LMAO i don't think jetpacks would get people high enough for that too happen but you're 100% right. lol |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:52:00 -
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madd greazy wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:I'm all for jet packs as long as I can safely slam into a flying mercenary without my dropship exploding too. LMAO i don't think jetpacks would get people high enough for that too happen but you're 100% right. lol
Dropships can't get very high, and they have to take off and land.
Right now all you have to do is scratch the paint and they self destruct. |
DeathStalker Synchro
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
24
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Posted - 2013.02.03 16:27:00 -
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I automatically thought NO JETPACKS!!! But after reading the rest of the OP I guess its not such a bad idea. They just have to be balanced appropriately. And have a great deal of requirements. Oh and the must ultimately have to and I mean HAVE TO explode when I shoot the person down. Nothing makes killing a jetpacker more fun than seeing him go boom in the air. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:14:00 -
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Tribes is a good game. This game does not need to be Tribes. If there are ever jetpacks of any type, no matter how hard CCP might try to balance them, they will eventually become required to compete and break the entire game. Better to just never even try. |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
27
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:13:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Tribes is a good game. This game does not need to be Tribes. If there are ever jetpacks of any type, no matter how hard CCP might try to balance them, they will eventually become required to compete and break the entire game. Better to just never even try.
With the right limitations and requiring a decent amount of skill points only specialized shock troops/squads will use them, as the SP investment will be too great to make it a must for every other player.
Along with the move speed reduction and scan profile penalty when activated, that i suggested, many scouts probably wont even use the jetpacks as they would impeded their scouting ability to some degree, unless all the want is that sniper nest location on a building top or something. |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
27
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:16:00 -
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The only real suit type the jetpacks will hold their worth for are the assault suits, they move fast enough and have the strength to act as shock troops. |
Terry Webber
Gothic Wars Consortium
35
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:47:00 -
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As long as they are balanced, jetpacks are fine with me. |
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Herrick Arcos
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
56
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:55:00 -
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As this is a future far advanced from us, the concept of using jetpacks in combat is not very far-fetched. I think avoiding the implementation of them into the game simply because they are common in other games is a bit nearsighted. I do however agree that they should fill a very specific role in combat and should be skill intensive. Perhaps they could function more as a jump aid rather than a flight mechanic. |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.02.03 20:14:00 -
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If they made them at least as difficult to maneuver with as dropships that'd be great, would love to see people try a jet pack for the first time and slam into a wall and die. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.02.03 20:41:00 -
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I'm all for them. I'm a long-term Tribes player and a fan. But they would require extensive balancing, and the game has much more pressing features lacking and work in progress.
SoonGäó. |
Booby Tuesdays
THE DOLLARS
13
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:08:00 -
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Irish Syn wrote:If they made them at least as difficult to maneuver with as dropships that'd be great, would love to see people try a jet pack for the first time and slam into a wall and die.
Haha, agreed. They should require quite a bit of SP to skill up as well. Similar to the initial sniper rifle sway, when you first start flying them they should be a bit unwieldy until you have skilled up extensively. I can see it now, jet pack snipers everywhere! |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:19:00 -
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Irish Syn wrote:If they made them at least as difficult to maneuver with as dropships that'd be great, would love to see people try a jet pack for the first time and slam into a wall and die.
Ha ha he, how about your basic jet packs are simplistic, short boosts meant to assist things like a 10-20 ft climb while the prototype is meant to create a new specialized infantry class by allowing them to tweak their suits and stabilize the packs for continued thrust....
...but if they crash...oh man, I want fireballs and tears X) |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
650
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:29:00 -
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jet packs could give a counter against snipers. |
Valmar Shadereaver
Lost-Legion
18
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:45:00 -
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there are other implimentable thing's then jetpack's whit near the same capabilety's that cuild make it balanced grapling hook like mod for instance whit motorized movment upward and downward so no flying to evade ppl enemy's/aly's that make noise and lure more enemy's a mod for thruster boots to temporarily give increased jump to get on higher obstical's or over wall's either whit fuel based making noise and heat or energy based causing les noise but a distinguisable sound the cooldown shudent be short to ensure ppl not abusing it to evade ppl when under attack wel thats wat i asume the boots trajectory doesent need to be a smal arc and might be able to go for a les high arc for further jump to jump over gap's and other trenchlike structure's thats my 2isk |
Grims Tooth
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.02.03 22:06:00 -
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I like this idea, but make jetpacks use an equipment slot, then heavys couldn't use them at all and assault suits would have to sacrifice their one slot for it. I could see jetpacks being best used in a support role by logis to quickly get in and out of a combat zone to rez and heal people. or placing a drop uplink in a safe place. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.02.03 22:16:00 -
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jetpacks are unoriginal and hard to control (when you think about it)
I prefer the idea of something to let you climb spiderman style. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.02.03 22:41:00 -
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As long as there is a Small Arms version of the Swarm launcher that will work on the Jet Packed Merc it would be good.
And make them slow enough that I can hit them with a Large Rail Gun Turret. I would love, love that. Probably as much as I like getting head shots with them now. Vaporize at three o'clock. |
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DeathStalker Synchro
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
24
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:03:00 -
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Grims Tooth wrote:I like this idea, but make jetpacks use an equipment slot, then heavys couldn't use them at all and assault suits would have to sacrifice their one slot for it. I could see jetpacks being best used in a support role by logis to quickly get in and out of a combat zone to rez and heal people. or placing a drop uplink in a safe place. Oh man, I forgot about logi. This should be a definite for them. I'm not a logi ,sadly, but they could sure use something of the sort. |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:22:00 -
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As much as i like the idea, Jetpacks would create a pretty big imbalance between controller and mouse users.
+1 to the dropship style controls for a jetpack |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:30:00 -
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aren't there already enough guys on roofs, mountaintops, pipes, scaffolding, gantries, and for some reason a weird elevated road thing right underneath a rocket engine? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:50:00 -
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On second thought... I like this idea! |
Ted Cougarjuice
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:02:00 -
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I oppose the idea of jetpacks. I opposed it when they introduced it in Halo and I oppose it in Dust.
It'd make navigating the levels easier. It'd also make fighting head to head more annoying.
The aiming system in Dust isn't exactly fluid, and having to make large adjustments because someone has fire shooting out of his butt would not make the game any more fun for me.
Not to mention, headshots are crucial in Dust, and it's easy to make adjustments when you're the one jetting, which puts someone who doesn't have a jetpack at a disadvantage. With the finite dropsuit system in Dust, it would marginalize every other piece of tech in whatever slot the jetpack would occupy. It would throw equipment balancing out the window. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:31:00 -
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Fun idea but it should be limited to Jump Jets and even then its still for some reason going to be frowned upon by the community.
-Equipment slot Jump Jet instant action 6 seconds max, and only then if it requires a recharge period and the use of both hands. Acceleration should be based on sprint speed.
-The "High Thrust Version" for heavies available via the off hand slot. this should have a longer duration but a spool up time. Acceleration should be based on sprint speed. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:34:00 -
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What would jetpacks be, equipment or a midslot or lowslot.
A big perk of a pack would be, being able to shoot while in the air, but you can't do that if it is equipment. Mobility would be good for a close range class, with a nova knife or shotgun, but it would bring a delay to landing and shooting a victim if you had to switch out the pack for a gun.
How would you use it with current controller setup?
Its not impossible, but I can see issues.
I think a jump pack suit should be a different suit entirely, being all of the current ones would need to be remodeled for once piece of equipment, and some of them either don't have space or power-plant to support it (light suit) or too heavy (heavy).
A assault like suit that has less hp, (lightweight materials) and a jetpack on it, no sprint, instead flys. |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
79
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:34:00 -
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Sure, but make it more lore-friendly. Another thread tried to suggest an 'inertial capacitor' to make you jump way high. Not sure how it goes into lore, but it's a closer step. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:55:00 -
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madd greazy wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Tribes is a good game. This game does not need to be Tribes. If there are ever jetpacks of any type, no matter how hard CCP might try to balance them, they will eventually become required to compete and break the entire game. Better to just never even try. With the right limitations and requiring a decent amount of skill points only specialized shock troops/squads will use them, as the SP investment will be too great to make it a must for every other player. Along with the move speed reduction and scan profile penalty when activated, that i suggested, many scouts probably wont even use the jetpacks as they would impeded their scouting ability to some degree, unless all the want is that sniper nest location on a building top or something. I get that you like the idea, but there isn't any way this would be a good addition to this game. I'd support the idea of a cover system before something like this, and I'm not too hot on those, either. |
Arron Rift
Commando Perkone Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:10:00 -
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I don't think CCP really wants people hovering and having those floating of fire fights. They seem to like people actually walking from point to point, taking cover, etc. Plus they'd have to redesign all the suits to fit a jetpack (where would a logi put his normal backpack full of gear?)
I think most people would be open to a gadget that allows people to get to higher ledges though, in which case I think This may be an answer that is simpler, more unique, and easier to fit into the current code by comparison. |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:27:00 -
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I immediately went **** no.
The, after some reconsideration I've come to the conclusion we should have personal solid rocket boosters, with enough force to send a merc flying from one side of the map to the other. Fast. And with no controls. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:53:00 -
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Jetpacks is a bad bad idea. It turns any game into a cheap looking gameplay.. With every one floating around and all that crap. Snipers already are a pain in the ass and jetpacks will allow them to just reach whatever place they want without even needing a dropship.
It's a "go lone wolf" tool that doesnt belong in dust imo. |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
71
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Posted - 2013.02.04 09:30:00 -
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jetpacks worked well the way they did in Killzone 3.
you had a certain amount of thrust, which could lift you a few meters high and it allowed you to move forward faster. the thrust regenerates slowly and you can only use a machine pistol sidearm with horrible accuracy during the flight. the jetpacks also increased your hitbox thus you were alot easier to take down. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
220
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Posted - 2013.02.04 09:34:00 -
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I don't hugely disagree with jetpacks but the only way they should be implemented is as equipment and without the ability to shoot whilst jetting. Seriously, how could you control a jetpack without using both your hands? |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
27
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:28:00 -
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bumpitty bump |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:36:00 -
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DeathStalker Synchro wrote:I automatically thought NO JETPACKS!!! But after reading the rest of the OP I guess its not such a bad idea. They just have to be balanced appropriately. And have a great deal of requirements. Oh and the must ultimately have to and I mean HAVE TO explode when I shoot the person down. Nothing makes killing a jetpacker more fun than seeing him go boom in the air. no Jets, Inertial Jump Packs make more snese.. old posts on thsoe are rampant |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
11
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Posted - 2013.02.11 13:26:00 -
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I'm not totally against jetpacks, maybe they should make a dropsuit out of it, something between a scout and an assault dropsuit, so like a light flying vehicle, which can be effectively used by skilled players, but is useless to those who just want a quick kill.
I really am not amused putting jetpacks and every dropsuit, for what reason should a logi be flying? I don't get it. And a flying heavy? Are you f**** serious? They are pretty hard to kill on the ground, (I'm not saying they are OP) but this things flying around and using there HMG which has an really long range from the skies? WTF?!
Really, I'm not againts them in general, but I'm against a flying killer machine with his logi hiding even more above and healing the sh*t out of the beast. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:05:00 -
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No. this will create even more unbalance problems.
I may agree to the idea, if it was a specialist class, like ;
- [ Jet-trooper ] Light armor like the Scout, weak shields, and the option to use Heavy weapons and Sniper rifles "Completely " remove from the skills tree ( For this class only ). Also the skill book to use "Jetpacks" only available for this class, and this class only.
Then it may be a good idea.
Edit: I changed Stormtrooper for Jet-trooper. Sorry for the Star Wars comparison, was not intentional. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.11 15:33:00 -
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Being able to fly is a huuuuge advantage in certain situations. Even in just regular combat, being able to fly over people and shoot down at them is a major asset. Anyone who plays Planetside 2 knows what I'm talking about. That said, I'm not against jet packs as such, but rather I find the threads asking that they be a high power module, or an equipment piece, have no idea what they're on about. You give someone an AR, or a mass driver, or any other L or even H weapon, plus the ability to fly, and nobody will ever use non-flying fittings again. So it's not that jet packs are a bad idea, it's that people have terrible, awful ideas about how they should be added to the game. The only way to make jet packs work is if there is a serious trade-off involved. Not sacrificing an equipment slot or something dumb like that. Look at how much scouts give up to simply run faster/longer.
However, the broader issue is that Dust isn't a vertical game by its very design. You have rooftops and... that's more-or-less it. The maps are not designed around having people able to fly around in them. So jetpacks wouldn't have too many areas where they have the ability to shine at all without CCP changing the way their maps work, for the most part. Not an impossible thing, but it is asking a lot.
Personally, I hope they add jet packs and make them balanced and add everything else people want. The more options the better. But they clearly shouldn't be taking their cues from the forums on how to balance this stuff. |
Bigglesworth McQueen
On The Brink
43
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Posted - 2013.02.11 15:40:00 -
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Section 8 was a good game for me, both the first and second one. Dust is already extremely similar in terms of maps & gameplay (besides the customisation of course).
A jetpack would turn this game into Section 8.3 |
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iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
19
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Tribes is a good game. This game does not need to be Tribes. If there are ever jetpacks of any type, no matter how hard CCP might try to balance them, they will eventually become required to compete and break the entire game. Better to just never even try.
agreed +1 |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
264
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:05:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Being able to fly is a huuuuge advantage in certain situations. Even in just regular combat, being able to fly over people and shoot down at them is a major asset. Anyone who plays Planetside 2 knows what I'm talking about. That said, I'm not against jet packs as such, but rather I find the threads asking that they be a high power module, or an equipment piece, have no idea what they're on about. You give someone an AR, or a mass driver, or any other L or even H weapon, plus the ability to fly, and nobody will ever use non-flying fittings again. So it's not that jet packs are a bad idea, it's that people have terrible, awful ideas about how they should be added to the game. The only way to make jet packs work is if there is a serious trade-off involved. Not sacrificing an equipment slot or something dumb like that. Look at how much scouts give up to simply run faster/longer.
However, the broader issue is that Dust isn't a vertical game by its very design. You have rooftops and... that's more-or-less it. The maps are not designed around having people able to fly around in them. So jetpacks wouldn't have too many areas where they have the ability to shine at all without CCP changing the way their maps work, for the most part. Not an impossible thing, but it is asking a lot.
Personally, I hope they add jet packs and make them balanced and add everything else people want. The more options the better. But they clearly shouldn't be taking their cues from the forums on how to balance this stuff.
actually Dust is vertical horizontal and everything in between.
We will have fighters (stated fact) we already have dropships and eventually will have some kind of OMFG flying tank thing called gunships.
so it is a game meant to be thought of in 3-D not just 2-D. |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
13
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:07:00 -
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I like the idea of jetpacks, though my thought keeps going back to one word "PULL" |
SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:14:00 -
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A bunch of ideas from this thread that I like:
- Jetpack should go in the equipment slot, so you have to select and activate it manually (this would keep people from having gunfights midair).
- Dropship style controls, but less stable
- should take up enough PG/CPU that it weakens you in every other area - advantage in mobility, disadvantage everywhere else.
- Explode when you die - It's an expensive piece of equipment that keeps you from being revived if you go down, still want it?
Does that still sound OP to anyone? |
Divine Nyx
Doomheim
0
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:27:00 -
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jet pack ruin the ability to use drop ships. unless it give the user a foot more then normal distance. like a double jump? |
M3DIC 2U
RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention
13
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:44:00 -
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Why not just make increased jumping/strength something to tie into the myofibril stimulant booster. That way no need for jetpacks and it makes things interesting based of a skill tree in existence already. It would also make them a bit more desireable to purchase beyond smacking someone a little harder when you luck upon a melee strike. |
SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:46:00 -
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Divine Nyx wrote:jet pack ruin the ability to use drop ships. unless it give the user a foot more then normal distance. like a double jump? Dropships still have CRUs. Mostly. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:12:00 -
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I'm a long time supporter of adding jetpacks. Here is my idea for them: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37504&find=unread
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Read Before expressing your hatred of this idea.
Jetpacks can be balanced, can be useful, and are inherently fun.
[HOW THEY SHOULD WORK]
Jetpacks should take 5 or 6 seconds to activate: this will prevent people from using them to cower out of gun battles.
Guns cannot be used while jetpack is active: This will keep them from being overpowered.
Jetpacks should have very limited climb: This will prevent people from being able to fly up high on top of towers to camp. EDIT: The climb is limited, but still high enough to get on a small building.
Jetpacks flight should be limited by regenerating power system similar to infantry stamina (maybe 15-20 seconds of continuous flight): This will prevent people from being in the air for too long.
Players with active jetpacks should be susceptible to swarm launcher lock-on and fire.
EDIT: It is to be a vehicle, not a module, or equipment.
[USEFULNESS] Jetpacks would be very useful, especially for the logistics dropsuits. It could be used for flying past enemies to plant drop uplinks for his team to spawn, or flying to downed players to revive.
Jetpacks would be considerably useful for scouts to get on top of buildings to spot and call out enemy locations for their team, and provide covering fire.
Jetpacks would be useful for general travel on large battlefields if a player needs to travel alone in which extra seats aren't needed. Some might think lone travelers imply lack of teamwork, or lone-wolves, but travelling alone can be useful for the team if the player is acting as a distraction, or sneaking behind enemies to hunt them down (which prevents them from getting to objectives), or to call out their positions.
Jetpacks would NOT REPLACE DROPSHIPS, nor render them obsolete. Jetpacks would occupy a very different niche. Dropships would remain vital because of all the things they can do or have that jetpacks don't; dropships would have much higher climb, much more armor and shields, turrets, and slots to customize (like adding a CRU).
* Jetpacks don't have to look or even fly like anything like conventional jetpacks. It could even look like a more horizontal version of the inertia dampener animation with a different color effect or something.
EDIT: They don't have to be as "nerfed" as I present them in the OP, but It would be good for them to start that way, then gradually balanced into just the right amount of power. Otherwise, they might start out too strong, and cause a massive uproar, then get overnerfed to uselessness. Despite all the proposed limitations (which are totally subject to change), I still think they will be quite useful because of the boost of personal speed. The low-flying nature of jetpacks would make them harder for swarm launcher users to spot them, so they're not all that vulnerable.
EDIT 2: Being unable to use guns, and having to wait 5+ seconds just to activate jetpacks may make it not fun, so those proposed limitations can be dropped.
EDIT 3: Though I use logistics as an example, it should not be limited for only one suit.
Ok... you may unleash your hate now. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:23:00 -
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I'm Tired of this heavy discrimination, talk about whiners.
If implemented it should without a doubt be available on all suits. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:09:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I'm Tired of this heavy discrimination, talk about whiners. If implemented it should without a doubt be available on all suits.
A bumble bee with an autocannon raining hell from above ? NO THANKS
You guys get enough kills already, don't be greedy. |
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:15:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I'm Tired of this heavy discrimination, talk about whiners. If implemented it should without a doubt be available on all suits. A bumble bee with an autocannon raining hell from above ? NO THANKS You guys get enough kills already, don't be greedy. I don't play heavies anymore scrub. |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
67
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:27:00 -
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If they worked like they do in Halo, where you can only make very small changes of direction once you're in the air, then I don't see a problem with them. Having a slow take off speed (the thrusters have to build up power) would also go a long way to keeping them in check. Plus, I assume they'd have a large CPU/PG requirement, so you might have to drop some modules. |
SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:29:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I'm Tired of this heavy discrimination, talk about whiners. If implemented it should without a doubt be available on all suits.
Heavies can just grab an HMG and turn all those flying targets to salsa. |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:19:00 -
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I love this idea |
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