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Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.03 16:55:00 -
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I want to know which local you're in lol. Mostly mine is filled with people looking for groups or spamming their corps...though I did watch a nice fight between some pilots and mercs once; was very entertaining (and had a lot of misinformation on both sides). I'm a Gallente, BTW.
Generally, these people are playing the game like CoD or BF...they expect to be able to do well regardless of their set-up and game knowledge, and if they do poorly start to trash the game. They also are not people in corps, and are always trying to lone-wolf (major fail). Personally, I would try to correct them once, and if they refuse tell them to come to the forums or to do their research; end on a high-note and make them look foolish. The good news, though, is most noobs have no clue what the local channel is, and most likely will never see this crap. Its the people who are playing that do, and already can see if there's any truth to someone's words or not (or at least I would like to think this lol) |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:11:00 -
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Quote:This game lags so bad, I shot a dude 45 times in the head and he turned around and killed me, at least Call of Duty and battlefield have dedicated servers.
Had to point out the fail in this statement. (DUST does have dedicated servers, CoD sucks because it doesn't). |
Jikt Terlen
Certificate of Participation
6
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:37:00 -
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I think most of us can agree that we don't actually want CoD kiddies flooding Dust; the challenge is to attract enough players to keep Dust viable, while minimizing the stupidity of other FPS games infecting it. The learning curve and the somewhat obtuse UI is actually what attracted me to Dust -- it rewards you for taking the time to learn how it works. I'm not really a shooter player, and I love the feel of Dust far more than CoD or Battlefield. If Dust's quirks scare away the mainstream FPS players and the CoD dudebros, I'm fine with that. Actually, I would prefer that. The question will simply be how big a playerbase Dust needs to be successful. EVE has prospered with a fraction of the playerbase of a WoW, and hopefully Dust can as well. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
29
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:43:00 -
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Personally, I try to help newbies as much as I can, simply because they will be the lifeblood of this game. This doesn't mean I'm going to invite them to my corp, but that doesn't mean you can't help people along.
I can be an *******, but learning is one of lifes only true pleasures; no reason to be a troll about it. Patience, and control. |
Washlee
UnReaL.
131
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:55:00 -
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Still a better game than Call of duty.
If they make a move from dust to call of duty with no RPG background its hopeless fo them
The call of duty players have a short attention span and are quick to judge.
They expect to walk in the game , hit a default fit , and run and gun thinking they're going todo work. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:59:00 -
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Washlee wrote:Still a better game than Call of duty.
If they make a move from dust to call of duty with no RPG background its hopeless fo them
The call of duty players have a short attention span and are quick to judge.
They expect to walk in the game , hit a default fit , and run and gun thinking they're going todo work.
It is possible if they had some previous FPS skill. Too bad Call of Duty is so trash it allows completely garbage players to go 50 -1. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:05:00 -
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these morons are very easy to troll- you just keep ignoring them and setting up squads in their face, talk about you corp, discuss game play but don't acknowledge them at all and they go total ape sht after a while because you're playing the game they hate. I've seen them just log out because they're being ignored, dont feed them at all, you can't argue with idiots and can't expect others to want to sit in local and argue with these ppl, just take in the ones who show interest..
or how do they say on BF3 forums; COD is that way. now you get to say that to the self proclaimed more evolved BF3 crowd, just quote them their favorite catch phrase and move on from there. |
DigiOps
DUST University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:07:00 -
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I'm surprised they don't try to make a case for killstreak bonuses. That's usually at least somewhere in a list of CoD fan gripes about a game. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:09:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Today I stumbled upon a very teeth grinding discussion going on in local chat.
Apparently this game is god awful, broken and unplayable. The game will be set at $60 a copy once the beta is over, all the weapons suck and can't be equipped.
CCP will most likely drop this game after 6 months because even though it's free no one is playing it lolol(Points to players list).
(Hey I saw someone driving tank how do I get one?) Don't even bother bro, you have to save like 1,000,000 SP just to drive one and you have to pay another million to buy it. Only the pay 2 win guys drive them.
SP is stupid, I should be able to earn as much as I want. Everybody runs around with AUR items, so the rest of us can't compete, I'll never support a pay 2 win game.
Also guys, CCP has said they will delete your characters after the beta is over, what a bunch of scammers, I already paid for the mercenary pack. The worst part of it all is that corporations are useless, what can you do with a corp? it's basically just a useless friends list, but since they charge real money for a simple feature like voice chat? F*ck em!
The only good classes are the Assault rifles and the Heavy's, shouldn't be surprised a no name Developer like CCP couldn't get a simple thing like balancing right the first time.
This game lags so bad, I shot a dude 45 times in the head and he turned around and killed me, at least Call of Duty and battlefield have dedicated servers.
(I told them CCP is going to be giving out expansions and patches for free) lol Yeah right, if that's true then that just confirms that the game is going to be Pay to play once it releases, how else would the company make money, im not paying $60 a month for this garbage.
(told them that SP, Caps, sound fixes and more content is coming) Oh yeah? where's the proof you keep saying soon, soon, lol I think your in denial and just another CCP fanboy/advertiser.
.....I was seriously teed off during this. This is only a fraction of some of the things that were being said by these people, I would usually just deem these guys idiots, laugh out loud, and move on about my business but what caught my attention was that this BS was actually spreading!! More and more people joined in on the discussion, with more and more people becoming convinced that what these guys were saying was actually true. People who claimed they were liking the game suddenly found reasons to hate or drop it all together. Even though I'm a genius, a single genius cannot educate a sea of fools. I was praying somebody out there with a brain would eventually step in to help me out. Nope, I sat there for long well over the time I should have trying to tell these guys what's up and at the end of it all I got no where.
This kinda of thing is counterproductive to what the community and the game needs right now, this game will only continue to grow for as long as it's player base keeps up. Having people like this just flat out spout nonsense and lies will turn people away from the game. I'd like to see more players once in while to just drop by in local chat and answer a newbie's question before somebody else with a f%cked up agenda gets to them first. We have some screens that pop up when you log in, but we need a first-time-login screen that stays put for at least 5 seconds before you dismiss it that "strongly encourages" signing into the forums. Maybe even have it pop up again every time you start up until you do. Most of that bullshit is coming from the fact that maybe 5% of the playerbase even visits the forums, and so takes the word of any jackass with a loud voice. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:25:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:I'm surprised they don't try to make a case for killstreak bonuses. That's usually at least somewhere in a list of CoD fan gripes about a game. LOL i saw some post where a codboi wanted an orbital strike for getting a 5 kill streak.. as if 5 kill streak is some kinda apex of scoring. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
431
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:32:00 -
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I troll the people who say stuff like what OP described and spammers.
It doesn't go well.
There's also been an increase in people calling people who've been in the beta since the end of October, "Nubcakes"
There are reasonable new people out there though, and I met one of them.
He denied the existence of Pay to Win weapons and gear! And admitted he was new to Dust! KA-POW! |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.02.03 20:18:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:CoD fanboys, the lot of them. never been in a real beta before. sigh, would it even be worth educating them?
This is an entirely wrong point of view for several reasons:
- CoD fanbois are a huge market segment - Lot of CoD players are really good at FPSs. Scary good. - Many smart people play CoD - CoD player isn't and shouldn't be a four-letter word for us
What I'm saying is that there's no excuse to ignore or belittle a just because they happen to be fans of a certain game.
(FWIW my AAA FPS of choice is Battlefield and Killzone series) |
Captain R Murphy
Doomheim
4
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Posted - 2013.02.04 07:52:00 -
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basically what you seen was a bunch of kids (or adults who forgot to mature). If people wanna believe them and not the DEV team then I don't know about you but I won't miss the idiots anytime soon XD.
Basically they can't play this so they ***** and moan |
Umbat Boki
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:07:00 -
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You can't do anything about this. The internet is full of ignorant kids (disregards of how old they are). The only way to educate them is to sit near them and punch them every time they say something stupid.
Just look at "General Discussions" forum. How much threads there should be in Feedback and Technical problems forums? Like 90%? If kids can't even understand where to post their whine threads in spite of they spend 90% of their live posting on forums, you can't educate them anything. They're "writers" not "readers". |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:09:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:these morons are very easy to troll- you just keep ignoring them and setting up squads in their face, talk about you corp, discuss game play but don't acknowledge them at all and they go total ape sht after a while because you're playing the game they hate. I've seen them just log out because they're being ignored, dont feed them at all, you can't argue with idiots and can't expect others to want to sit in local and argue with these ppl, just take in the ones who show interest.. or how do they say on BF3 forums; now you get to say that to the self proclaimed more evolved BF3 crowd, just quote them their favorite catch phrase and move on from there.
stealing this |
Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
12
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:09:00 -
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It's what you get for the massive lack of communication. Instead of informing people, CCP relies on hearsay and mouthbreathers.
Their loss. |
Warchild Zek
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
28
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:11:00 -
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On the day beta opened their was a guy sitting in local ranting about how terrible the game was for 3 hours straight. I kept checking between matches, he was still going when I left. Dont think he ever actually played the game. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
758
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Posted - 2013.02.04 10:12:00 -
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There will always be misinformation, rumor, and supposition about an MMO, especially one like DUST 514 which is reaching into a new market, going after an audience that doesn't traditionally play MMOs, and is still in beta. When confronted by people who are spreading incorrect information, the best thing to do is to politely and calmly point them in the direction of the forums, the Twitter feeds of DUST developers, and some of the better player streams/blogs out there.
If they persist, you can always ignore them. |
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Devboi
The Red Guards
31
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:00:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:CoD fanboys, the lot of them. never been in a real beta before. sigh, would it even be worth educating them? This is an entirely wrong point of view for several reasons: - CoD fanbois are a huge market segment - Lot of CoD players are really good at FPSs. Scary good. - Many smart people play CoD - CoD player isn't and shouldn't be a four-letter word for us What I'm saying is that there's no excuse to ignore or belittle a just because they happen to be fans of a certain game. (FWIW my AAA FPS of choice is Battlefield and Killzone series)
- CoD fanboys are a huge market segment
+ Mostly under 16yrs and raging solo gamers...
- Lot of CoD players are really good at FPSs. Scary good.
+ Good at CoD maybe....which doesn't take much skill, just knowledge of the maps and spawns. Whenever I show a daily CoD player a new fps on the PC or PS3, they seem to suck so badly at it they rage quit and never play again. This is because they have been trained into thinking that CoD is how FPS should be. Where as in fact, CoD is just the FPS genre made accessible to the masses. Its easy to play, with simple tactics, standard (AAA) gameplay, its a boring twitch rail shooter. I mean I know people who have kids at the age of 4-6 and they play CoD....and they do well...stick a 4-6 year old on DUST and you're gonna get an epic fail, and rightly so!
- Many smart people play CoD
+ If you're playing CoD on a daily basis and think its "good fun" then u cannot be that smart...
As many people have said already DUST makes you think outside the box tactically and in the way you play. They do not hand anything to you on a plate, you play, you learn, you progress.
(sorry for the anti CoD rant, I just think AAA shooters (multiplayer's especially) have been terrible over the past years and CoD is at the epicenter of it, anybody who says CoD is the best shooter they have played and its better than DUST are fools and we don't want those kinds of people in New Eden ;D)
I also think this AAA mindset of how FPS's should play is what is causing the rift between DUST vet's and Noobs. DUST vet's will swear by DUST 514 as groundbreaking and full of depth, noob (AAA gamers) coming online and dying constantly and then raging about how bad the game is gets us Dust Vet's backs up and we defend the game we love = Rift |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
51
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:14:00 -
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I believe a large community is essential to a healthy game. But honestly people who go and judge things before they know -- we are better off without em. As much as I would like to arrest that way of thinking, the fact is only immature players get suckered into other peoples fears. There is a wealth of people out there that can investigate and make judgements on their own without listening to others fears and hysteria.
Put simply, inform them of the facts and if that's not good enough let it go. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
197
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:14:00 -
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In local you say? So Eve players... you know this where Trolls go to compete right? If Trolling was a sport, Eve is the Olympics/Super Bowl lol
The sad thing is that some people don't realize this and actually listen
I may start a "Dust Facts" post that people cant just link... |
Mortal Maximus
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
8
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:27:00 -
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I have almost nothing to say on how the game playes it is awesome, but i really think u developers should adjust the sp gain cuz its going to send new players out of their mind if the going to have to get like 400k isk just to get a basic level tank or dropship and especially that last levels. I think u should definitely adjust that. |
Mortal Maximus
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
8
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:28:00 -
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sorry... |
Mortal Maximus
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
8
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:28:00 -
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I have almost nothing to say on how the game playes it is awesome, but i really think u developers should adjust the sp gain cuz its going to send new players out of their mind if the going to have to get like 400k isk just to get a basic level tank or dropship and especially that last levels. I think u should definitely adjust that.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
35
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:52:00 -
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Calroon DeVil wrote:It's what you get for the massive lack of communication. Instead of informing people, CCP relies on hearsay and mouthbreathers.
Their loss.
I hate to agree but this is the truth we havent had a dev blog in how long ? Then the special communication that is given is put through via IRC or a POD cast, that a handfull of vets and a sprinkle of newbies get ahold of....
Sorry but CCP is horrible at PR especially on the Dust side of things, sure there is player driven PR but as the OP stated this isnt the image Dust needs right now...
What's sad is I dont see CCP improving in the communication department looks like us players will have to continue positive reinforcement throughout local and the forums! |
Ninjanomyx
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
16
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:11:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:CoD fanboys, the lot of them. never been in a real beta before. sigh, would it even be worth educating them? This is an entirely wrong point of view for several reasons: - CoD fanbois are a huge market segment - Lot of CoD players are really good at FPSs. Scary good. - Many smart people play CoD - CoD player isn't and shouldn't be a four-letter word for us What I'm saying is that there's no excuse to ignore or belittle a just because they happen to be fans of a certain game. (FWIW my AAA FPS of choice is Battlefield and Killzone series)
The Mechanics behind CoD is most of what makes it a No-Brainer Shooter........ Ramp your Sensitivity up to 15, 360 'till your Crosshair slows down for you (Thank you Sticky Aim Assist), ADS Pop or Dropshot ADS Pop (To "Trick" the other Player's Aim Assist into lagging above Target), & the lovely Hipfire Strafe as your Recticle literally drags itself 180 Degrees towards a Target running by you like a Cheetah. So at the end of the day......CoD "Skill" is simply who can better abuse the Aim Assist "Features" while having better Twitch Timing.
Then you add in Lag Compensation & Host Advantage (Most seemingly "Good Players" abuse these "Features"), LagSwitches & Mods/Hacks (Both Ingame & Controller), terribly abusable Netcode, & the ability to Knife from 1 car-length away & you got "CoD Pro in a Nutshell".
The only reason this shoddily designed Shooter still persists as the Top Selling AAA is Brand Loyalty Fanboyism & Accessibility (You can have all of your Friends/Clanmates on your Team all of the time & Matches start up fairly quickly). If any other AAA FPS employed the accessibility of Full Side Grouping in Public Playlists......CoD would lose a bit of steam in the Market.
Accessibility is everything to the vast majority of Gamers. Why do you think we try to constantly ask for larger Squads? I dislike CoD for the most part....but I end up buying in just so I can play w/ my "Brainwashed" Friends on a regular basis en masse (This effectively inflates the Sales Margin). |
Ninjanomyx
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
16
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:14:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:There will always be misinformation, rumor, and supposition about an MMO, especially one like DUST 514 which is reaching into a new market, going after an audience that doesn't traditionally play MMOs, and is still in beta. When confronted by people who are spreading incorrect information, the best thing to do is to politely and calmly point them in the direction of the forums, the Twitter feeds of DUST developers, and some of the better player streams/blogs out there.
If they persist, you can always ignore them.
I found this Post quite easy to Fap to :P |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:42:00 -
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That's why they don't post Much :p |
zaltern
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.02.04 14:49:00 -
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some times i wish we were still in closed beta |
recline soldier
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
11
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:07:00 -
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I actually came to this game from CoD Black Ops 2 on the 360.....and have never turned back. I'm ADDICTED to Dust and I love it even tho it is only in beta. Within a day I figured out the games basics and found a corp that is really enjoyable and helpful to play with.
The biggest thing for CoD and BF players to realize is this is a squad based shooter with MMO properties. It is not just a run and gun solo rambo fight with PERKS and KILLSTREAKS. |
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