without a clone i am usless. with a clone i'm desposable. i'm cheap, inreliable, and break easly. the only thing that keeps me in the product line is that, unlike drones, i get the job done at the fraction of the cost. the only freedom i get is who and what i chose to fight for, and the loadout i bring into battle.

oh and, what's the point of an MMOFPS if you can't respawn.

elitest want to create a moat between them and the commoner.

they think just because they use the highest end equipment and gun down 10 clones for every one clone they use they think they should be compensated by taking away more isk of the people who run smarter builds.

i...can't tell what that's pointing at. are you agreeing with me or loving the little speeched i gave. i'm kinda confused here.

Yea if you want to kill Dust 514 before it comes out of the gates, sure. We pay for our suits and gear which can be quite a bit. We die often - I'm sure more often than in EVE.

Yea if you want to kill Dust 514 before it comes out of the gates, sure. We pay for our suits and gear which can be quite a bit. We die often - I'm sure more often than in EVE.

i died twice in my four times in all my time in playing EVE. i don't pvp often so i avoid it as much as possible.

i love picking up a combat zone on my directional scanner and getting around it.

sounds like fun. do you do blockade running? or smuggleing?

More people will be investing into better gear and militia geared teams vs decked out teams of equal skill, guess who will win and keep their planets.

In EVE every time you die you have to purchase a new clone. I say do the same in DUST. Yes, clones are cheap, but they're not free. Just have it copy the EVE model with reduced prices (Since these clones aren't custom make capsule compatible bodies). Also, just like EVE, as you skill up the clone you need will get more expensive. This provides an ISK sink, more loss (besides gear) when you die, and makes sense in New Eden (where nothing is free).

Name / Skill Points / ISK Cost
Alpha / 900,000 SP / -
Beta / 1,380,000 SP / 4,000 ISK
Gamma / 2,050,000 SP / 6,500 ISK
Delta / 2,800,000 SP / 9,500 ISK
Epsilon / 3,750,000 SP / 13,000 ISK
Zeta / 4,800,000 SP / 18,000 ISK
Eta / 6,100,000 SP / 25,000 ISK
Theta / 7,750,000 SP / 33,500 ISK
Iota / 9,800,00 SP / 47,000 ISK
Kappa / 12,400,000 SP / 65,000 ISK
Lambda / 15,700,000 SP / 93,000 ISK
Mu / 20,000,000 SP / 134,000 ISK

The above prices aren't much. At this moment the top end of us may need a Delta clone at 9,500 ISK per loss. I'm not at the top, play roughly 2 matches a day, and am sitting on a nice 3.2 Million ISK right now. So I think 9,500 ISK is pretty affordable.

I just think this will add some more incentive to not die, or to wait those extra few seconds (even in a full BPO suit) for a Logi needle. Plus, nothing is ever free in New Eden - unless its a scam.

This....is not acceptable. i OH GOD PLEASE hope that this dose not happen, dust would die faster than you could believe.

Why is it not acceptable? A team of equal skill but more finances should obviously win. Why should a team unwilling to invest in their success be able to beat an equally skilled team that invests in their military? What i am talking about is corp battles not random pub matches with strangers. I'm sure militia gear in pub matches will still be common, especially since the pay is crap for those.

Understanding how much null sec eve pilots make an hour you will see there is potential for merc corps to make money and supply their troops with good gear. In EVE, corps that are broke don't make a mark on the map typically,. Many corps are made and die in EVE, corps that invest time and resources into their players and infrastructure tend to do better. You won't see successful corps that fly nothing but rookie ships to battle.

see....theres the flaw in your design right there. the EvE corps are outfiting their Dust mercs, which means that they got free high grade equipment they can use at no charge AND can troll newbs for more ISK and SP.

it turns into Be in a corp or you can't win sanario, which shouldn't be forced on newbies.

Thats how EVE works, what one man army holds space as their own? Individuals play eve and do solo things just fine, they can be rich too but they won't own nullsec regions or a system. You can play solo pub matches or matches with friends all you want. You won't own planets though and won't have tons of resources that come from having your own planet. You might even be able to be hired by corps for battles but again you won't own space. Again many EVE corps are born and die before they are ever noticed. I'm sure you won't have to be in a corp to win random pub matches though. Match making will probably still exist for pubs that is relatively fair. I'm sure match making will be around for corps that are just focused on matches and not planning on being part of faction warfare or sovereign warfare too.

which is why combat is optional in EvE. know you'll get your but kicked...go around a conflict.

This is Dust, the only thing we know, is we can't run away.

People suicide gank players all the time in EVE so even those that avoid it at some point lose money. Even pvp'ers that run when a big fleet shows up have to worry about tacklers,Heavy Interdictor, interdictors, gate camps and such. If you want to avoid fighting vs heavily financed mercs, stick to pub matches or arranged matches. Why hoard all your money and never spend it on better gear though, just curious? There is a balnce between cost efficiency and being risk adverse. More gear will define the difference better down the road.

Sorry derailed main topic. Still think isk for clones is bad idea until the market and trading is fleshed out propperly. PvE and harvesting or manufacturing could help too for people that lose everything build back up.

BAD plan.