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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:12:00 -
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Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:16:00 -
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I want my sagaris back, so Ill skill into that... eventually. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:18:00 -
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I am doing something similar to you, but I will soon likely start saving SP for the Assault B-Series. |
Vesta Ren
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
33
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:21:00 -
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Putting points into vehicles, the great SP sink :P |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:22:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:I am doing something similar to you, but I will soon likely start saving SP for the Assault B-Series.
may i ask what fitting you use with your b-series?? unless its basically the same as mine, your going to have about as much HP as i will :) only once i finally unlock my b-series by the end of Feb ill be wayyyyy ahead of everyone fitting wise whats your shield control level and mechanics at too? if you dont mind..... |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:23:00 -
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Vesta Ren wrote:Putting points into vehicles, the great SP sink :P
my av nades gonna kill your vehicle |
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:24:00 -
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hey, type II saves you a lot of ISK and SP but it has its limitations. It can only support double complex shield extenders and double armor plating only if you sacrifice grenades, a secondary weapon slot, and your equipment slot. Oh and until your A series your stuck with a standard assault rifle. Type II dose'nt support a GEK-38 and 602 total HP |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:24:00 -
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I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:30:00 -
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D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote:hey, type II saves you a lot of ISK and SP but it has its limitations. It can only support double complex shield extenders and double armor plating only if you sacrifice grenades, a secondary weapon slot, and your equipment slot. Oh and until your A series your stuck with a standard assault rifle. Type II dose'nt support a GEK-38 and 602 total HP
ahhh but you see thats where your wrong. My suit will be able to fit my standard laser rifle, Toxin SMG, nanohive, AND AV grenades, while also have 595 health, WITH an armor rep on it too, now ill admit that the suit does have its limitations, but with the correct skills ill be able to go further with them then i think anyone else has so far
btw i just checked and the suit im fitting could also handle a GEK as well (while maintaing 595 HP). |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:33:00 -
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Irish Syn wrote:I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now.
what is with everyone and vehicle skilling???? 8o |
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Squally 160
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
33
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:42:00 -
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Same way I did when I started EVE.
Tons of fittings skills, then t2 weaponry, then advanced hulls, or i guess in this case, suits.
I will say tho, I might skill up to get a repping nanohive. Mmmm, placeable reps. |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:42:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Irish Syn wrote:I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now. what is with everyone and vehicle skilling???? 8o Because tanks make 600 hp go *pop*. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:44:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Irish Syn wrote:I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now. what is with everyone and vehicle skilling???? 8o Because tanks make 600 hp go *pop*.
if im afk maybe or running through an open field maybe, most times i can atleast scare a tank away though |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:47:00 -
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Squally 160 wrote:Same way I did when I started EVE.
Tons of fittings skills, then t2 weaponry, then advanced hulls, or i guess in this case, suits.
I will say tho, I might skill up to get a repping nanohive. Mmmm, placeable reps.
whats a good eve reference....... trying to fit battleship grade shield extenders on a battlecruiser??? thats pretty much what im trying to do in a way..... i have a b-series fit and proto fit planned out too and the proto fit is just amazing....... almost 800 health with a proto laser and proto smg, im SUPER excited to unlock that sucker |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:49:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:The legend345 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Irish Syn wrote:I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now. what is with everyone and vehicle skilling???? 8o Because tanks make 600 hp go *pop*. if im afk maybe or running through an open field maybe, most times i can atleast scare a tank away though LOL goodluck. |
Squally 160
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
33
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:50:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Squally 160 wrote:Same way I did when I started EVE.
Tons of fittings skills, then t2 weaponry, then advanced hulls, or i guess in this case, suits.
I will say tho, I might skill up to get a repping nanohive. Mmmm, placeable reps. whats a good eve reference....... trying to fit battleship grade shield extenders on a battlecruiser??? thats pretty much what im trying to do in a way..... i have a b-series fit and proto fit planned out too and the proto fit is just amazing....... almost 800 health with a proto laser and proto smg, im SUPER excited to unlock that sucker
Your poor sig radius :P |
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:52:00 -
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well mate good luck with your plan. I hope you enjoy your type II and dont end up begging for a SP reset . 2 million SP to reach proto if u have A series |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:53:00 -
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Squally 160 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Squally 160 wrote:Same way I did when I started EVE.
Tons of fittings skills, then t2 weaponry, then advanced hulls, or i guess in this case, suits.
I will say tho, I might skill up to get a repping nanohive. Mmmm, placeable reps. whats a good eve reference....... trying to fit battleship grade shield extenders on a battlecruiser??? thats pretty much what im trying to do in a way..... i have a b-series fit and proto fit planned out too and the proto fit is just amazing....... almost 800 health with a proto laser and proto smg, im SUPER excited to unlock that sucker Your poor sig radius :P
lol whats my signature matter??? the more people they throw at me the better, at that point it'll take a group of B-serie users or better to take me down, and because most people cant save their sp long enough to get to that point i think ill be all right. Corp matches might be a differn't story but i dont think being a assault-heavy is such a terrible thing |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:02:00 -
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D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote:well mate good luck with your plan. I hope you enjoy your type II and dont end up begging for a SP reset . 2 million SP to reach proto if u have A series
yes i realize that doing this is going to put me behind temporarily :/ but in the long run im going to have such powerful suits, imagine for a moment having a duvolle AR that only takes up about 60 CPU, thats pretty much what im shooting for (only i use the laser rifle so it'll be the viziam).
basically im going to be about two weeks behind everyone whos actively going for the B-series right now, but im sure ill manage just fine, considering how many noobs there are to prey on nowadays |
56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:25:00 -
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im i the only one who is skilling in everything even thought it may take seven years? |
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Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:36:00 -
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I'm also tooling up type-ii before moving on to b-series. I did it last build, I have never Trained a proto suit despite being here since june.
I already have shield control 4, shield regen skill whatever it's called 4, shield enhancement 4, mechanics 4, weaponry 5, circuitry 4, I have excess power grid at engineering 2 so haven't upgraded yet.
I don't think I'll need the advance suits till I have nano circuitry 4 repair nanohives and have started training the weapon proficiency skills unlocked by operation lv5. End of February/early March I'll get the b-series, proto may be almost summer till I outgrow the advanced. Last build the high support skills adv did well vs proto without supporting skills. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
330
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:40:00 -
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Basically I'm trying to make myself Dust's first Supersoldier, I'm tallking Master Chief levels here. I have my assault rifle and weaponry skills at level 4 at the moment, working on getting those to 5. But first I'm leveling up my Assault drop suit skill to level 3, planning to go all the way to 5.
All my other skill points have been put into light weapon skills like rapid reload to level 1. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
330
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:41:00 -
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56 truth wrote:im i the only one who is skilling in everything even thought it may take seven years?
Big ups to you! |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:45:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:I'm also tooling up type-ii before moving on to b-series. I did it last build, I have never Trained a proto suit despite being here since june.
I already have shield control 4, shield regen skill whatever it's called 4, shield enhancement 4, mechanics 4, weaponry 5, circuitry 4, I have excess power grid at engineering 2 so haven't upgraded yet.
I don't think I'll need the advance suits till I have nano circuitry 4 repair nanohives and have started training the weapon proficiency skills unlocked by operation lv5. End of February/early March I'll get the b-series, proto may be almost summer till I outgrow the advanced. Last build the high support skills adv did well vs proto without supporting skills.
exactly my thoughts too! though i dont think it'll take me that long to get into the proto suit. For the first time ever im trying to go for Light weapon Upgrade proficiency so as to maximize how much i can get out of my suit. Many people dont realize this but theres actually four different skills that help out with CPU not just circuitry. The only thing that limits the Type II in my opinion is the powergrid, because at level 5 your combat engineering only gets it up to 41 PG, and thats really what makes things hard to fit. Currently theres only two skills that help out with PG and one of them is only useful if your using an armor plate so thats really the only handycap the suit has in terms of fittings (aside from the lack of slots that is). |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:55:00 -
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I have already trained circuitry(more cpu), shield enhancements(less cpu needed by shield mods), nano...(reduces cpu of nanohive and injector), Light weapon upgrades(less cpu for light weapons), sidearm weapon upgrades(less cpu for sidearms), and cpu upgrades. So at least 5 skills help with cpu, sensor upgrades makes 6 if you fit any sensors, and cpu upgrades could be 7 if you count it.
Early on you hit cpu as limit, but with fewer skills to lower needs eventually powergrid is limiting in long run.
At moment I have ar/smg/2*complex damage/grenade/nanohive/standard armour/cpu upgrade. Complex shield mods need less cpu, so would free up cpu I am also using some bpo items, standard have same stats but lower cpu/grid. So I need to upgrade my gear to use up cpu I have now, then train to use less cpu on those items.
I hit 30million skill points without proto armour last summer, I won't wait that long before proto again. But with 10million sp last build I still saw places to improve b-series before training proto. So, probably a little after 10 million sp I start training proto suit. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 12:22:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:I have already trained circuitry(more cpu), shield enhancements(less cpu needed by shield mods), nano...(reduces cpu of nanohive and injector), Light weapon upgrades(less cpu for light weapons), sidearm weapon upgrades(less cpu for sidearms), and cpu upgrades. So at least 5 skills help with cpu, sensor upgrades makes 6 if you fit any sensors, and cpu upgrades could be 7 if you count it.
Early on you hit cpu as limit, but with fewer skills to lower needs eventually powergrid is limiting in long run.
At moment I have ar/smg/2*complex damage/grenade/nanohive/standard armour/cpu upgrade. Complex shield mods need less cpu, so would free up cpu I am also using some bpo items, standard have same stats but lower cpu/grid. So I need to upgrade my gear to use up cpu I have now, then train to use less cpu on those items.
I hit 30million skill points without proto armour last summer, I won't wait that long before proto again. But with 10million sp last build I still saw places to improve b-series before training proto. So, probably a little after 10 million sp I start training proto suit.
wow your about as knowledgeable about this as i am! Are you in an alternate account? Or have you just not joined a corp?? im pretty sure thats an NPC corp but im not certain. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.01.31 12:31:00 -
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Training up my Forge Guns... to kill vehicles... and everything else that moves. |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:26:00 -
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ill get my proto Blasters and my Prometheus |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
71
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:13:00 -
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I will stay with the first tier in suits (logistic mostly) and max out weapon, health and fitting skills. I will start with weapon skills because I can already fit everything I want on my Logi suit and still support my team with revives, repairs and deployable spawn points :) |
Solomon Malcolm
BurgezzE.T.F
13
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:31:00 -
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Im Not Training Skills in anything Till after the Cap. But as of Now im simply Just getting my Stats up, Def, PG, CPU, Shields, Etc. I may do a little weapon Skill'n, (weapons skill is at 5 too) But untill After the cap is gone, THEN I will do my true plans.
Being on the Cap is helping me save Isk too. i almost have 8MILL from ambushes alone. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
197
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:53:00 -
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Got myself all skilled up as a heavy, to the point where im happy. Just have to finish up some base skills then il start trying out some different guns... see what i like...
After that im thinking drop ships just because il be ready when they get fixed!! |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
788
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:55:00 -
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I don't know about you guys... But I'd hold off on putting SP into dropsuits for the next little while. >:) |
SCAT mania
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
76
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:00:00 -
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saving for sharpshooter lvl 5 4tw. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:04:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote:hey, type II saves you a lot of ISK and SP but it has its limitations. It can only support double complex shield extenders and double armor plating only if you sacrifice grenades, a secondary weapon slot, and your equipment slot. Oh and until your A series your stuck with a standard assault rifle. Type II dose'nt support a GEK-38 and 602 total HP ahhh but you see thats where your wrong. My suit will be able to fit my standard laser rifle, Toxin SMG, nanohive, AND AV grenades, while also have 595 health, WITH an armor rep on it too, now ill admit that the suit does have its limitations, but with the correct skills ill be able to go further with them then i think anyone else has so far btw i just checked and the suit im fitting could also handle a GEK as well (while maintaing 595 HP). I'm doing it pretty much exactly like you Marston, along with trying to get a solid swarm launcher build for the assault.
Also diverting maybe 20% of my skillpoints into scout suit/mobility-stamina/scan profile reduction/scan strength increase/uplinks for initial drop and red-line recovery.
Its working pretty good atm, we'll see what happens as the specialists skill up - I've already been killed by Creodrons and Duvolles. |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:09:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;)
Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. |
Solomon Malcolm
BurgezzE.T.F
13
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:13:00 -
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Maybe it's Just me, but i know everyone has their TRUE Plans After the SP Cap is put in the game. |
Spartan Agoge
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
20
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:13:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way.
That's a good plan with the type two but there are too many advantages to an advanced suit that out weigh the standard dropsuit's potential. |
FIRECRACKER your moma
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:17:00 -
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proto suits are only a week away 4 those who went 4 them |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
165
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:21:00 -
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56 truth wrote:im i the only one who is skilling in everything even thought it may take seven years?
In the next seven years more skills will be added to the game than exist in the game currently. Probably a lot more.
I thought I read somewhere that a few EVE players who started at launch and used the most expensive implants had managed to learn all the skills there were to learn. Of course there are more skills being added to EVE all the time, as their will be for DUST. Most DUST players, as in EVE, will only ever learn a small fraction of the skills available.
Of course if you do manage it, it would give you some notoriety. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
95
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:24:00 -
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I have a character putting all his skill points into scanning right now, type-i scout suit and adv shotgun. Shoot him and he dies, period, but he will be able to scan you down from something like 92 meters... Your proto suit or super skills will still go down to point blank shotgun fire to teh back.
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arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:24:00 -
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My strategy has been similar took the bare minimum I thought I'd need in weapons and logi gear and have so far dumped all the rest in armor and shield skills. Just hopped into my A-series a few days ago and it is a fairly rugged build so far. Waiting on those complex shield extenders(next day or two) now and i'll be set for awhile I think. |
Midas Man ll
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
38
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:38:00 -
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SCAT mania wrote:saving for sharpshooter lvl 5 4tw.
This, then Sharpshooter prof to 5, then get the last few levels of assault rifle prof.
Assault "sniper" FTW. The sniper hate mails you recieve make it all worthwhile. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:47:00 -
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I'm focusing on passive skills and the SMG, while waiting on the next build to make that final decision on Scout or Assault. (We'll see what cloaking brings.)
At some point I'm basically going to be starting a character from scratch, only with a huge base of passive skills. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
296
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:07:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I don't know about you guys... But I'd hold off on putting SP into dropsuits for the next little while. >:)
Do you think we're that close to more racial dropsuit variants? Personally, I'm in the suit i've always planned for.
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FIRECRACKER your moma
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:51:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:I'm focusing on passive skills and the SMG, while waiting on the next build to make that final decision on Scout or Assault. (We'll see what cloaking brings.)
At some point I'm basically going to be starting a character from scratch, only with a huge base of passive skills. there will not be any wipe. this is it . |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:11:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Vesta Ren wrote:Putting points into vehicles, the great SP sink :P my av nades gonna kill your vehicle
and my forge gun
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Dagon Cthulhu Clone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:13:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I don't know about you guys... But I'd hold off on putting SP into dropsuits for the next little while. >:)
this tbh, and if your planning on skilling into shields and armour, dont until we find out if there is going to be a role bonus on suits |
Scoot Medic
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
50
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:18:00 -
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Makes me think what could be done with a Scout.
I'm going to look into this and try make my Scout a walking tank. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:26:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way.
and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:32:00 -
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Spartan Agoge wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. That's a good plan with the type two but there are too many advantages to an advanced suit that out weigh the standard dropsuit's potential.
the only major advantage i see in an andvanced suit is the ability to put a higher weapon grade on the suit while also having a full tank. But in my case that advantage is negated at range because ill have a comparible tank to ANY advanced assault build, while also doing way more damage then them at range. The only way i can forsee me regretting this decision is if everyone switches over to proto laser rifles, or proto tact rifles, but since i dont see that happening i think what im doing will benefit me in the future!
granted a b-series suit will have a noticeable advantage over me in CQC IF there using a proto rifle, but as a laser user ive learned to avoid those scenarios and have gotten much better at using the SMG, so those things coupled should help compensate for that disadvantage. |
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:34:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I have a character putting all his skill points into scanning right now, type-i scout suit and adv shotgun. Shoot him and he dies, period, but he will be able to scan you down from something like 92 meters... Your proto suit or super skills will still go down to point blank shotgun fire to teh back.
you'd think that, but its not like im gonna stand still long enough for you to get a complete shot off on my suit |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:36:00 -
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FIRECRACKER your moma wrote:Knarf Black wrote:I'm focusing on passive skills and the SMG, while waiting on the next build to make that final decision on Scout or Assault. (We'll see what cloaking brings.)
At some point I'm basically going to be starting a character from scratch, only with a huge base of passive skills. there will not be any wipe. this is it .
I know. They don't let you keep your passive skills through a wipe. I meant I'll have a character who can still go in any number of directions (including weapons or suits that haven't been introduced yet), only with a bunch of sidearm and passive skills as a base. |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:39:00 -
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Spartan Agoge wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. That's a good plan with the type two but there are too many advantages to an advanced suit that out weigh the standard dropsuit's potential. Agreed. |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:43:00 -
[54] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills
I tried this approach the last two builds as I didn't want to go proto. I found the CPU is not the challenge as much as the PG is, as there are 4 types of ways to get CPU lower but 1 type to get better PG. That is the issue you will run into.
Also I am going for Logi A series for 3 high and 3 low with my 3 Equipment slots, plus 55 PG over 39 and 273 CP over the 193 (from memory so numbers could be off). With this I can have options, I can do 3 damage mods for my MD or 3 shield extenders for Combat medic style. Also I can add shield regulators, hacking modules, armor rep, armor. With my current type II and my PG maxed out, I find I can't put most of what I need on my suit.
But by the time I get home I will have the SP to get the A series and work towards MD 5 and then Prof 3. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:44:00 -
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I'm doing what I consider "Flat lining."
Got Type-II, level 1 HMG, and Weaponry V for mods. And nothing else is needed. Nothing.
Just going to hoard this SP until next build. Then enjoy the tears as everyone goes, "HOW DID YOU GET A PROTO CRUSADER SUIT SO FAST?!"
Or one of the many toys I'm expecting :) |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:52:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I'm doing what I consider "Flat lining."
Got Type-II, level 1 HMG, and Weaponry V for mods. And nothing else is needed. Nothing.
Just going to hoard this SP until next build. Then enjoy the tears as everyone goes, "HOW DID YOU GET A PROTO CRUSADER SUIT SO FAST?!"
Or one of the many toys I'm expecting :)
That must take incredible self control. I have a hard time saving for anything when there are level one skills that will slightly improve my merc's performance right now.
I suppose it helps that your HMG can probably squish newberries into a paste without much trouble. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
shield control for now and max out field mechanics |
TODDSTER024
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:30:00 -
[58] - Quote
In the other builds I started with my gun. Since there is no more reset, first I'm doing shields and armor - LMG- nano-hacking-mobility/vigor-nades-CPU/pg-shield extenders/armor plates-drop suit-forge |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:07:00 -
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I have a few playstyles I'm skilling into, I don't have to lean on gear as a crutch so I have a bit more freedom with having a flexible range of skills. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
47
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Posted - 2013.01.31 20:18:00 -
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I'm skilling into my DS right now. Just got to where I can use the top level shield extender. Going to bump my PG so I can fit 2 power diagnostic units (rather than powergrid upgrades), which will on their own give a boost to shields. Basically it's all about bumping the tank right now, swarms and rails are tearing me up out there. Got the tank to about 3600 last night. The thing costs 450,000 ISK. It'd better make it a few matches.
Nobody seems to like dropships right now, but when we get bigger maps I will be ready. I will carry you into battle. |
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.31 20:38:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:I'm skilling into my DS right now. Just got to where I can use the top level shield extender. Going to bump my PG so I can fit 2 power diagnostic units (rather than powergrid upgrades), which will on their own give a boost to shields. Basically it's all about bumping the tank right now, swarms and rails are tearing me up out there. Got the tank to about 3600 last night. The thing costs 450,000 ISK. It'd better make it a few matches.
Nobody seems to like dropships right now, but when we get bigger maps I will be ready. I will carry you into battle.
Make sure you fit some blasters on your bird, they seem to be all I can get kills with when up in the air. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:21:00 -
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Scoot Medic wrote:Makes me think what could be done with a Scout.
I'm going to look into this and try make my Scout a walking tank.
i think your gonna need atleast an advanced scout to make it a "tank", the scout suit is a little tricky because of how little health it starts with, and how few modules it gets, but i know for a fact you can make it pretty beefy at its higher levels. imagine a proto scout with a proto shotgun with about 500 health, thats pretty scary in my opinion, so its a good thing nobody ever skills into them |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:27:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills I tried this approach the last two builds as I didn't want to go proto. I found the CPU is not the challenge as much as the PG is, as there are 4 types of ways to get CPU lower but 1 type to get better PG. That is the issue you will run into. Also I am going for Logi A series for 3 high and 3 low with my 3 Equipment slots, plus 55 PG over 39 and 273 CP over the 193 (from memory so numbers could be off). With this I can have options, I can do 3 damage mods for my MD or 3 shield extenders for Combat medic style. Also I can add shield regulators, hacking modules, armor rep, armor. With my current type II and my PG maxed out, I find I can't put most of what I need on my suit. But by the time I get home I will have the SP to get the A series and work towards MD 5 and then Prof 3.
now your talkin! i get what your saying, it might be hard to fit everything you want on the logi-type II so its understandable that you wanna get the a-series as i think its better in every way isn't it? Im content with just having a type II for the next three weeks, things are lookin bright in my eyes, im excited for the day when i hit my proto suit and realize i can fit almost any combination i want, as for PG, that is the only limit to my current idea but its something i can deal with for the time being.
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DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:34:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills I tried this approach the last two builds as I didn't want to go proto. I found the CPU is not the challenge as much as the PG is, as there are 4 types of ways to get CPU lower but 1 type to get better PG. That is the issue you will run into. Also I am going for Logi A series for 3 high and 3 low with my 3 Equipment slots, plus 55 PG over 39 and 273 CP over the 193 (from memory so numbers could be off). With this I can have options, I can do 3 damage mods for my MD or 3 shield extenders for Combat medic style. Also I can add shield regulators, hacking modules, armor rep, armor. With my current type II and my PG maxed out, I find I can't put most of what I need on my suit. But by the time I get home I will have the SP to get the A series and work towards MD 5 and then Prof 3. now your talkin! i get what your saying, it might be hard to fit everything you want on the logi-type II so its understandable that you wanna get the a-series as i think its better in every way isn't it? Im content with just having a type II for the next three weeks, things are lookin bright in my eyes, im excited for the day when i hit my proto suit and realize i can fit almost any combination i want, as for PG, that is the only limit to my current idea but its something i can deal with for the time being.
Yeah just wanted to give you the heads up on PG, it stopped many of my ideas until I got to A-series or better. Then it was almost to easy to put on what ever I wanted. Have goals for your builds, (jesus Im sounding like I did on DCUO again, FML) for example have a survival fit and a damage fit. All extenders or all damage mods. Play around and see what works for you, if you are a combat medic the maybe more shields. If you want to work on K/D go damage mods. If you want middle ground find what combo of both works. By the end of today, Ill have 10 new builds out for this new suit. Ill post some of my testing if you would like it here.
Also +1, you need more Likes Marston. Its a dam good thread and good posting so you will see more likes from me for work like this. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
47
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:37:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:I'm skilling into my DS right now. Just got to where I can use the top level shield extender. Going to bump my PG so I can fit 2 power diagnostic units (rather than powergrid upgrades), which will on their own give a boost to shields. Basically it's all about bumping the tank right now, swarms and rails are tearing me up out there. Got the tank to about 3600 last night. The thing costs 450,000 ISK. It'd better make it a few matches.
Nobody seems to like dropships right now, but when we get bigger maps I will be ready. I will carry you into battle. Make sure you fit some blasters on your bird, they seem to be all I can get kills with when up in the air. I've got the basic ones, I know that feel. I'm gonna skill them up soon, but I can't quite figure out which ones will be the best for anti-infantry. I've heard scattered, but do they track fast enough to track infantry? |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 23:08:00 -
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Yeah just wanted to give you the heads up on PG, it stopped many of my ideas until I got to A-series or better. Then it was almost to easy to put on what ever I wanted. Have goals for your builds, (jesus Im sounding like I did on DCUO again, FML) for example have a survival fit and a damage fit. All extenders or all damage mods. Play around and see what works for you, if you are a combat medic the maybe more shields. If you want to work on K/D go damage mods. If you want middle ground find what combo of both works. By the end of today, Ill have 10 new builds out for this new suit. Ill post some of my testing if you would like it here.
Also +1, you need more Likes Marston. Its a dam good thread and good posting so you will see more likes from me for work like this.[/quote]
yeah man no probs, ive looked into almost everything there is revolving around this suit and i was aware of the pg problem, the only other skill that effects PG is Armor upgrades which ironically enough having at level 1 makes it so the basic armor plate takes up 0 PG.
heres a fun fact that you might not of known. EVERY STAT IN THIS GAME ROUNDS DOWN. It doesn't matter how close the stat is to being the next whole number up, it'll round down, so for example my basic armor plate has a 1 PG requirement, but because having level 1 armor upgrades (which is the prerequisit for unlocking the basic armor plate) decreases armor upgrading modules PG usage by 3% each level, it rounds down to 0 instead of .97 PG. I dont know if this is intended by CCP, but it makes fitting this suit about 150,000SP easier for me. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.01 04:13:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I have a character putting all his skill points into scanning right now, type-i scout suit and adv shotgun. Shoot him and he dies, period, but he will be able to scan you down from something like 92 meters... Your proto suit or super skills will still go down to point blank shotgun fire to teh back.
isn't scanning broken right now??? i tryed it once and i couldn't see a difference...... |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
264
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Posted - 2013.02.01 05:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
Skilkjng into EVERYTHING will as 75% of the stuff is missing. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
284
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Posted - 2013.02.01 05:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
I run a type II, working on my light wepon sharp shooter x9 0o
You know the first rule of combat? Shoot them before they shoot you. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:54:00 -
[70] - Quote
HMG lv 1 atm I'm not going to get it up until i get shield control lv 4 armor repair to lv3 and forge to at least 4.im gunna stick to type II heavy for awhile. After all... It doesn't really get better for us heavies after type II . Also I'm not sure why people skilled up HMG's from the get go.... Seems like waste of sp early on as the reg HMG shreds everything till B series Assaults.
I've already got complex extenders (last week) so I'm basically maxing shield skills and armor repair skills first. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
431
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:56:00 -
[71] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) I don't think you understand that the higher tier suits have more PG/CPU so you can have more powerful modules. |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
51
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:07:00 -
[72] - Quote
Focus on your global passives. Lots of new weapons suits modules and vehicles are in the works. New mechanics as well. As such you might want to switch your skill focus later. So it might be good to focus on buying things that improve you overall regardless of what style you end up with. At least that's what I'm doing. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:17:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Marston VC wrote:Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) I don't think you understand that the higher tier suits have more PG/CPU so you can have more powerful modules.
i dont think you understand what im trying to do. By skilling up cpu related skills, im making it so that i CAN fit higher level gear onto the suit. Im trying to make it so that i can use complex shield extenders without having to put a cpu upgrade on my suit, and still run everything else i run. By the time i get to my proto suit, ill have it so that i can run Four complex shield extenders, along with the proto laser, and proto smg. This is just building a strong foundation for the future! |
Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
90
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:18:00 -
[74] - Quote
The world chico... and everything in it. |
OMI43221
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:38:00 -
[75] - Quote
Logi A, complex profile dampeners, damage mods, charged sniper rifle, weaponry.
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have." |
Morathi III
Rebelles A Quebec
57
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:05:00 -
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Scout, type A, shield enhqancement 4 , sharpshooter profencie 2, shotgun 3, now focusing on radar |
recons283
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:08:00 -
[77] - Quote
Advanced scout dropsuit and advanced shotgun by tomorrow. Then I'll go for either vehicles or dropsuit modules. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:44:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:Scout, type A, shield enhqancement 4 , sharpshooter profencie 2, shotgun 3, now focusing on radar
do you think its worth it??? upgrading things like radar ect??? |
Morathi III
Rebelles A Quebec
57
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:46:00 -
[79] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Morathi III wrote:Scout, type A, shield enhqancement 4 , sharpshooter profencie 2, shotgun 3, now focusing on radar do you think its worth it??? upgrading things like radar ect??? For scout shotgun i guess yes, fora laser rifle.... Really not marston |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
296
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:59:00 -
[80] - Quote
Imp Smash wrote:Focus on your global passives. Lots of new weapons suits modules and vehicles are in the works. New mechanics as well. As such you might want to switch your skill focus later. So it might be good to focus on buying things that improve you overall regardless of what style you end up with. At least that's what I'm doing.
This is a good plan and one I'm trying to focus on as well. Weaponry 5 was must first skill to max. Then I trained all the armor skills to 3 to support my logistics duties. Now I'm working through all the Rank 1 core skills that affect drop suits and training them to 5. Finally, I'll train up the shield skills to maximize my defenses. Only then will I train to Minmatar Logistics 3 and get into an A-Type suit.
In the CAST514 podcast that just came out Praetorian mentioned that the racial dropsuits are coming very soon. Funny thing is the Minmatar Logistics is my primary dropsuit. Once the Minmatar Scout suit shows up I'll probably make that my secondary.
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:08:00 -
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speed mods, hacking mods, RAWR |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:08:00 -
[82] - Quote
Knarf Black wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:I'm skilling into my DS right now. Just got to where I can use the top level shield extender. Going to bump my PG so I can fit 2 power diagnostic units (rather than powergrid upgrades), which will on their own give a boost to shields. Basically it's all about bumping the tank right now, swarms and rails are tearing me up out there. Got the tank to about 3600 last night. The thing costs 450,000 ISK. It'd better make it a few matches.
Nobody seems to like dropships right now, but when we get bigger maps I will be ready. I will carry you into battle. Make sure you fit some blasters on your bird, they seem to be all I can get kills with when up in the air. I find the high damage railguns work better : ) The ones you ned level 2 blasters for, they kick ass. Plus throw a spool up time reducion or turning speed boost and they are amazing |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:40:00 -
[83] - Quote
Morathi III wrote:Marston VC wrote:Morathi III wrote:Scout, type A, shield enhqancement 4 , sharpshooter profencie 2, shotgun 3, now focusing on radar do you think its worth it??? upgrading things like radar ect??? For scout shotgun i guess yes, fora laser rifle.... Really not marston
lol fair enough, but i wouldn't use a gun like that for sneaking anyway, i dont get how so many people have so much trouble with scout shotguns, ps i think there was some sort of eve battle or something cuz dust server was crazy laggy a couple hours ago.... |
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