DUST Search - what are you guys planning SP wise??

DEADPOOL5241 wrote:

Marston VC wrote:

DEADPOOL5241 wrote:

Marston VC wrote:

Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;)

Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way.

and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills Pirate

I tried this approach the last two builds as I didn't want to go proto. I found the CPU is not the challenge as much as the PG is, as there are 4 types of ways to get CPU lower but 1 type to get better PG. That is the issue you will run into.

Also I am going for Logi A series for 3 high and 3 low with my 3 Equipment slots, plus 55 PG over 39 and 273 CP over the 193 (from memory so numbers could be off). With this I can have options, I can do 3 damage mods for my MD or 3 shield extenders for Combat medic style. Also I can add shield regulators, hacking modules, armor rep, armor. With my current type II and my PG maxed out, I find I can't put most of what I need on my suit.

But by the time I get home I will have the SP to get the A series and work towards MD 5 and then Prof 3.


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Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:12:00 - [1] - Quote Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;)
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:22:00 - [2] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I am doing something similar to you, but I will soon likely start saving SP for the Assault B-Series. may i ask what fitting you use with your b-series?? unless its basically the same as mine, your going to have about as much HP as i will :) only once i finally unlock my b-series by the end of Feb ill be wayyyyy ahead of everyone fitting wise whats your shield control level and mechanics at too? if you dont mind.....
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:23:00 - [3] - Quote Vesta Ren wrote: Putting points into vehicles, the great SP sink :P my av nades gonna kill your vehicle
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:30:00 - [4] - Quote D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote: hey, type II saves you a lot of ISK and SP but it has its limitations. It can only support double complex shield extenders and double armor plating only if you sacrifice grenades, a secondary weapon slot, and your equipment slot. Oh and until your A series your stuck with a standard assault rifle. Type II dose'nt support a GEK-38 and 602 total HP ahhh but you see thats where your wrong. My suit will be able to fit my standard laser rifle, Toxin SMG, nanohive, AND AV grenades, while also have 595 health, WITH an armor rep on it too, now ill admit that the suit does have its limitations, but with the correct skills ill be able to go further with them then i think anyone else has so far btw i just checked and the suit im fitting could also handle a GEK as well (while maintaing 595 HP).
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:33:00 - [5] - Quote Irish Syn wrote: I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now. what is with everyone and vehicle skilling???? 8o
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:44:00 - [6] - Quote The legend345 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Irish Syn wrote: I'm pouring everything I got into vehicles, but right now I'm still simply trying to get access to the vehicles. The starter artificer fitting is more than sufficient for now. what is with everyone and vehicle skilling???? 8o Because tanks make 600 hp go pop. if im afk maybe or running through an open field maybe, most times i can atleast scare a tank away though
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:47:00 - [7] - Quote Squally 160 wrote: Same way I did when I started EVE. Tons of fittings skills, then t2 weaponry, then advanced hulls, or i guess in this case, suits. I will say tho, I might skill up to get a repping nanohive. Mmmm, placeable reps. whats a good eve reference....... trying to fit battleship grade shield extenders on a battlecruiser??? thats pretty much what im trying to do in a way..... i have a b-series fit and proto fit planned out too and the proto fit is just amazing....... almost 800 health with a proto laser and proto smg, im SUPER excited to unlock that sucker
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:53:00 - [8] - Quote Squally 160 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Squally 160 wrote: Same way I did when I started EVE. Tons of fittings skills, then t2 weaponry, then advanced hulls, or i guess in this case, suits. I will say tho, I might skill up to get a repping nanohive. Mmmm, placeable reps. whats a good eve reference....... trying to fit battleship grade shield extenders on a battlecruiser??? thats pretty much what im trying to do in a way..... i have a b-series fit and proto fit planned out too and the proto fit is just amazing....... almost 800 health with a proto laser and proto smg, im SUPER excited to unlock that sucker Your poor sig radius :P lol whats my signature matter??? the more people they throw at me the better, at that point it'll take a group of B-serie users or better to take me down, and because most people cant save their sp long enough to get to that point i think ill be all right. Corp matches might be a differn't story but i dont think being a assault-heavy is such a terrible thing
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 04:02:00 - [9] - Quote D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote: well mate good luck with your plan. I hope you enjoy your type II and dont end up begging for a SP reset . 2 million SP to reach proto if u have A series yes i realize that doing this is going to put me behind temporarily :/ but in the long run im going to have such powerful suits, imagine for a moment having a duvolle AR that only takes up about 60 CPU, thats pretty much what im shooting for (only i use the laser rifle so it'll be the viziam). basically im going to be about two weeks behind everyone whos actively going for the B-series right now, but im sure ill manage just fine, considering how many noobs there are to prey on nowadays
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 04:45:00 - [10] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: I'm also tooling up type-ii before moving on to b-series. I did it last build, I have never Trained a proto suit despite being here since june. I already have shield control 4, shield regen skill whatever it's called 4, shield enhancement 4, mechanics 4, weaponry 5, circuitry 4, I have excess power grid at engineering 2 so haven't upgraded yet. I don't think I'll need the advance suits till I have nano circuitry 4 repair nanohives and have started training the weapon proficiency skills unlocked by operation lv5. End of February/early March I'll get the b-series, proto may be almost summer till I outgrow the advanced. Last build the high support skills adv did well vs proto without supporting skills. exactly my thoughts too! though i dont think it'll take me that long to get into the proto suit. For the first time ever im trying to go for Light weapon Upgrade proficiency so as to maximize how much i can get out of my suit. Many people dont realize this but theres actually four different skills that help out with CPU not just circuitry. The only thing that limits the Type II in my opinion is the powergrid, because at level 5 your combat engineering only gets it up to 41 PG, and thats really what makes things hard to fit. Currently theres only two skills that help out with PG and one of them is only useful if your using an armor plate so thats really the only handycap the suit has in terms of fittings (aside from the lack of slots that is).

Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 12:22:00 - [11] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: I have already trained circuitry(more cpu), shield enhancements(less cpu needed by shield mods), nano...(reduces cpu of nanohive and injector), Light weapon upgrades(less cpu for light weapons), sidearm weapon upgrades(less cpu for sidearms), and cpu upgrades. So at least 5 skills help with cpu, sensor upgrades makes 6 if you fit any sensors, and cpu upgrades could be 7 if you count it. Early on you hit cpu as limit, but with fewer skills to lower needs eventually powergrid is limiting in long run. At moment I have ar/smg/2*complex damage/grenade/nanohive/standard armour/cpu upgrade. Complex shield mods need less cpu, so would free up cpu I am also using some bpo items, standard have same stats but lower cpu/grid. So I need to upgrade my gear to use up cpu I have now, then train to use less cpu on those items. I hit 30million skill points without proto armour last summer, I won't wait that long before proto again. But with 10million sp last build I still saw places to improve b-series before training proto. So, probably a little after 10 million sp I start training proto suit. wow your about as knowledgeable about this as i am! Are you in an alternate account? Or have you just not joined a corp?? im pretty sure thats an NPC corp but im not certain.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 17:26:00 - [12] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 17:32:00 - [13] - Quote Spartan Agoge wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. That's a good plan with the type two but there are too many advantages to an advanced suit that out weigh the standard dropsuit's potential. the only major advantage i see in an andvanced suit is the ability to put a higher weapon grade on the suit while also having a full tank. But in my case that advantage is negated at range because ill have a comparible tank to ANY advanced assault build, while also doing way more damage then them at range. The only way i can forsee me regretting this decision is if everyone switches over to proto laser rifles, or proto tact rifles, but since i dont see that happening i think what im doing will benefit me in the future! granted a b-series suit will have a noticeable advantage over me in CQC IF there using a proto rifle, but as a laser user ive learned to avoid those scenarios and have gotten much better at using the SMG, so those things coupled should help compensate for that disadvantage.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 17:34:00 - [14] - Quote Sontie wrote: I have a character putting all his skill points into scanning right now, type-i scout suit and adv shotgun. Shoot him and he dies, period, but he will be able to scan you down from something like 92 meters... Your proto suit or super skills will still go down to point blank shotgun fire to teh back. you'd think that, but its not like im gonna stand still long enough for you to get a complete shot off on my suit
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 22:21:00 - [15] - Quote Scoot Medic wrote: Makes me think what could be done with a Scout. I'm going to look into this and try make my Scout a walking tank. i think your gonna need atleast an advanced scout to make it a "tank", the scout suit is a little tricky because of how little health it starts with, and how few modules it gets, but i know for a fact you can make it pretty beefy at its higher levels. imagine a proto scout with a proto shotgun with about 500 health, thats pretty scary in my opinion, so its a good thing nobody ever skills into them
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 22:27:00 - [16] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Marston VC wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) Type II is to low to do that, get to advanced and then start moving that way. and exactly what is it too low to do??? I gaurantee you that everything ive mentioned is true, with the right skills its possible to have a Type II suit with 600 health, 595 to be exact but thats just because nobody likes skilling into shield control lvl 5 (waste of time in my opinion), so 595 it is, so 600 health, with my standard laser rifle and smg. The only thing people are going to have up on me are assault rifles. It'll be difficult for me to beat a duvolle user with my standard smg up close, but tbh that would have been the same in the b-series suit as well. no, i think im going to make strong foundations for my future suits, rather then just try to jump strate to them with crap support skills I tried this approach the last two builds as I didn't want to go proto. I found the CPU is not the challenge as much as the PG is, as there are 4 types of ways to get CPU lower but 1 type to get better PG. That is the issue you will run into. Also I am going for Logi A series for 3 high and 3 low with my 3 Equipment slots, plus 55 PG over 39 and 273 CP over the 193 (from memory so numbers could be off). With this I can have options, I can do 3 damage mods for my MD or 3 shield extenders for Combat medic style. Also I can add shield regulators, hacking modules, armor rep, armor. With my current type II and my PG maxed out, I find I can't put most of what I need on my suit. But by the time I get home I will have the SP to get the A series and work towards MD 5 and then Prof 3. now your talkin! i get what your saying, it might be hard to fit everything you want on the logi-type II so its understandable that you wanna get the a-series as i think its better in every way isn't it? Im content with just having a type II for the next three weeks, things are lookin bright in my eyes, im excited for the day when i hit my proto suit and realize i can fit almost any combination i want, as for PG, that is the only limit to my current idea but its something i can deal with for the time being.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.31 23:08:00 - [17] - Quote Yeah just wanted to give you the heads up on PG, it stopped many of my ideas until I got to A-series or better. Then it was almost to easy to put on what ever I wanted. Have goals for your builds, (jesus Im sounding like I did on DCUO again, FML) for example have a survival fit and a damage fit. All extenders or all damage mods. Play around and see what works for you, if you are a combat medic the maybe more shields. If you want to work on K/D go damage mods. If you want middle ground find what combo of both works. By the end of today, Ill have 10 new builds out for this new suit. Ill post some of my testing if you would like it here. Also +1, you need more Likes Marston. Its a dam good thread and good posting so you will see more likes from me for work like this.[/quote] yeah man no probs, ive looked into almost everything there is revolving around this suit and i was aware of the pg problem, the only other skill that effects PG is Armor upgrades which ironically enough having at level 1 makes it so the basic armor plate takes up 0 PG. heres a fun fact that you might not of known. EVERY STAT IN THIS GAME ROUNDS DOWN. It doesn't matter how close the stat is to being the next whole number up, it'll round down, so for example my basic armor plate has a 1 PG requirement, but because having level 1 armor upgrades (which is the prerequisit for unlocking the basic armor plate) decreases armor upgrading modules PG usage by 3% each level, it rounds down to 0 instead of .97 PG. I dont know if this is intended by CCP, but it makes fitting this suit about 150,000SP easier for me.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.02.01 04:13:00 - [18] - Quote Sontie wrote: I have a character putting all his skill points into scanning right now, type-i scout suit and adv shotgun. Shoot him and he dies, period, but he will be able to scan you down from something like 92 meters... Your proto suit or super skills will still go down to point blank shotgun fire to teh back. isn't scanning broken right now??? i tryed it once and i couldn't see a difference......
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.02.01 12:17:00 - [19] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Marston VC wrote: Instead of just trying to get higher level suits ive decided to make the type II suit as powerful as i can possibly make it, ive done the math and its possible to make it so that my type II suit can have almost 600 total health with my laser rifle, smg, av grenades, and nanohive if i get certain skills high enough. I like to call this horizontal skilling, where as just trying to get better suits would be vertical skilling. What are you guys doing with your SP? i figure that a type II with 600 health isn't all that bad ;) I don't think you understand that the higher tier suits have more PG/CPU so you can have more powerful modules. i dont think you understand what im trying to do. By skilling up cpu related skills, im making it so that i CAN fit higher level gear onto the suit. Im trying to make it so that i can use complex shield extenders without having to put a cpu upgrade on my suit, and still run everything else i run. By the time i get to my proto suit, ill have it so that i can run Four complex shield extenders, along with the proto laser, and proto smg. This is just building a strong foundation for the future!
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.02.01 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Scout, type A, shield enhqancement 4 , sharpshooter profencie 2, shotgun 3, now focusing on radar do you think its worth it??? upgrading things like radar ect???

Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.02.02 00:40:00 - [21] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Marston VC wrote: Morathi III wrote: Scout, type A, shield enhqancement 4 , sharpshooter profencie 2, shotgun 3, now focusing on radar do you think its worth it??? upgrading things like radar ect??? For scout shotgun i guess yes, fora laser rifle.... Really not marston lol fair enough, but i wouldn't use a gun like that for sneaking anyway, i dont get how so many people have so much trouble with scout shotguns, ps i think there was some sort of eve battle or something cuz dust server was crazy laggy a couple hours ago....