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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.28 11:59:00 - [1] - Quote As DUST University, like its sister corporation EVE University is a training corp, we thought it might be appropriate to have a thread here in the training room for members and non-members to discuss anything about Dust 514 they'd like and ask question about DUST University itself. But first some brazen links: EVE University DUST University Dust University on Facebook DUST University on Twitter DUST University Wiki Our Director of Operations twitter feed We are currently in the process of providing a private discussion forum for our members but I feel a public forum would be a good idea for both Veterans of the closed beta and those newer players joining from the open beta to come together.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:55:00 - [2] - Quote Glad to see you guys setting up D-U Im only 3 days in my self but if there anything I can do to help you have just to ask.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 197	Posted - 2013.01.28 13:08:00 - [3] - Quote I approve of this idea and/or service! EVE UNI is famous for helping newer players in eve. If they can do half as well in Dust... theres hope for newbs yet...
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:12:00 - [4] - Quote May have to invest in a video capture card. Become the Seamus Donahue of Dust 514.
Darken Valta Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:42:00 - [5] - Quote I support this, although I'm not a new player, something needs to be done so new players aren't fragged as soon as the enter combat. Ever since the open Beta began, my skill points reset, and now I'm going up against players with HMG's and uber armor. Also I think that CCP needs to implement a low level match making service, until players reach a certain point, and then the players are fair game for the more experienced players. That's just my view though.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.28 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote Get weaponry up to V ASAP. With a complex damage amplifier and a bit of range I can chew through a heavy in one clip on average. Also contrary to popular opinion, there is extra damage on upper body and head area. So aim high.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.28 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Isn't there a separate section for corp recruitment? I can see trying to "help" players, but starting your post and thread with links to your corp site? Really? Hopefully a GM will move this to the section it belongs in.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.28 15:52:00 - [8] - Quote Why would anyone want to join a dust "training" corp run by people who don't play fps games? @.@ It's like me joining a corp in Eve to learn about Eve by Call of Duty players who have never played a MMO. edit: do you even have a presence in dust? I haven't seen any of you in battle, yet you keep making all these posts on forums about how to play. How can you teach others how to play when you spend more time on forums than playing the game
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:06:00 - [9] - Quote I posted this in the Recruitment Thread, but I think it would be more appropriate here. (It did bump the Recruitment Thread though...) So I am new to Dust. Am I understanding correctly that I can join a squad of other DUST University members and then when I sign up for an Instant Battle the people in that squad will get assigned to the same battle? Or is it the squad commander that queGÇÖs up the squad? How does the mechanic work? How do I join a squad of other DUST University members? I saw about seven DUST University members on this morning when I was playing in the last hour before down time, but I was not sure how to go about playing with them, so I just signed up for an Instant Battle solo.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:21:00 - [10] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Why would anyone want to join a dust "training" corp run by people who don't play fps games? @.@ It's like me joining a corp in Eve to learn about Eve by Call of Duty players who have never played a MMO. edit: do you even have a presence in dust? I haven't seen any of you in battle, yet you keep making all these posts on forums about how to play. How can you teach others how to play when you spend more time on forums than playing the game I assume that during the Bata the DUST University members will be working on learning the game themselves so that when Dust officially launches DUST University will be able to offer experienced guidance. In Bata I would expect DUST University to be attracting new players, EVE Vets, and people who like helping others, and offer an environment where we are all learning together. What I donGÇÖt expect to encounter in DUST University is a feeling of Elitism. I am sure the idea of DUST University will attract the type of FPS vets who like to take Newbs under their wing and show them the ropes. I am sure that by launch DUST University will have plenty of experienced FPS instructors, as well as many EVE players who have played DUST since early closed Bata and have gained experience as the game developed. Of course I am new to both Dust and DUST University, but this is my expectation going in. Also, Goonswarm were not experienced EVE players when they joined EVE on mass, and look how that turned out. Granted, they never claimed to be a training corp, but it is an example of a group of people joining a game that was not familiar to them and quickly dominating.

0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: So I am new to Dust. Am I understanding correctly that I can join a squad of other DUST University members and then when I sign up for an Instant Battle the people in that squad will get assigned to the same battle? Or is it the squad commander that queGÇÖs up the squad? How does the mechanic work? How do I join a squad of other DUST University members? I saw about seven DUST University members on this morning when I was playing in the last hour before down time, but I was not sure how to go about playing with them, so I just signed up for an Instant Battle solo. So much for DU teaching their members even the basics. Fox Gaden wrote: I assume that during the B[e]ta the DUST University members will be working on learning the game themselves so that when Dust officially launches DUST University will be able to offer experienced guidance Word of advice: RUN! I don't understand how people can even pretend to know how to teach new players to play when they can't play the game themselves. Talk about the blind leading the blind. Why aren't the forums good enough for advice anyways? I see junk about "private forums" with good information. Most of the information on public Dust forums is good information. How can you possibly have anything better? Joining a corp to learn how to play is a good idea. I'm sure EUni is fine in Eve, but here... Knowing how to play an FPS is much more important than knowing how to play dust or eve. Corp recruitment forum can be found here. edit: I wouldn't have said all this if you only posted it in corp recruitment, but you didn't. You posted it here. The purpose of the training ground is to help new players get better, and I see this as making them worse. There is plenty of good information already in the training section on forums.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.28 17:01:00 - [12] - Quote Elitism is the very last thing we want. If your idea of being in a corp is so that you can dominate and want to do nothing but win then we're not the corp for you. That's not to say we don't have some good players. But our goal is to be a relaxed place to be, where people are willing to squad with new players and not worry about losing. A loss can be just as an important a lesson as winning, perhaps more so. We don't expect players to stick around either. If you feel after a short time with us that you've learned enough to strike out on your own, perhaps start your own corp, then we're happy to see you move on. And no one should forget that this is a Beta. Dust in two years time will be much bigger and much more involved game than it is now. Industry, the marketplace, the ability to fire back at Eve player, deeper interaction with Eve and that's just the stuff that CCP have hinted at. Dust is going to be much more than just tactics and how to use team chat. CCP wouldn't make a game that DULL. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if in two years you could have a successful Merc that doesn't even fire a shot.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.28 17:30:00 - [13] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Elitism is the very last thing we want. It's the last thing I want too. People who come on to forums claiming that they are the best and know the best way to teach others how to play are elitist. When people ask me questions about how to play on forums, I try to give them the best advice I can. While I'm in game, I direct them to people who know how to play better than I. Kevall Longstride wrote: We [Dust University] are currently in the process of providing a private discussion forum for our members but I feel a public forum would be a good idea for both Veterans of the closed beta and those newer players joining from the open beta to come together. I thought you said you didn't like elitism? DUST members already have a public forum for both veterans and newer players, and you're on it. There's no reason for anyone to join your elitist club when they can learn far more on these forums and in game. I know my corp tag is intimidating. I know that my being Pink and Fluffy can sometimes scare other players, and might prompt them to believe that I am /-\\|\\| 31337!5+ _\|3\|2\|<, but damn, I'm really not that scary or elitist at all, I swear!
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.28 17:45:00 - [14] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I posted this in the Recruitment Thread, but I think it would be more appropriate here. (It did bump the Recruitment Thread though...) So I am new to Dust. Am I understanding correctly that I can join a squad of other DUST University members and then when I sign up for an Instant Battle the people in that squad will get assigned to the same battle? Or is it the squad commander that queGÇÖs up the squad? How does the mechanic work? How do I join a squad of other DUST University members? I saw about seven DUST University members on this morning when I was playing in the last hour before down time, but I was not sure how to go about playing with them, so I just signed up for an Instant Battle solo. Thanks for the question Fox. The squad mechanic is not the most elegant I've seen to be honest. Standing orders in D-UNI IS to X up in corp chat and ask to be invited to a squad or create your own and invite others who are asking in chat. However to invite someone to a squad you've created you first have to add them to your own contact list and send the invite from there. It would be much simpler to just high light an X'ed up player in Corp chat and invite them from there. It's a much requested feature that I'm sure will be added before launch. Open up the chat channels by pressing Select, then using the d-pad highlight the chosen player and press X. A drop menu will appear with Add Contact as an option. Select it and press X. The player is now on your contact list. To create a squad, press select again and highlight the squad box with the d-pad and press X. A drop menu with Create Squad should appear, press X and you've just created a squad. Using the d- pad again to open up the squad, you should find your self at the top position with three empty spaces. Highlight one and press X again and Invite Player will appear. Pressing X on this will call up your contact list. Highlight the list and select the player you want to invite and a cross should appear in the box next to their name. Press O to come out the list and then highlight send and press X. The invite should then appear in their notifications where they can choose to reject or accept, the latter causing them to appear in your squad. Should you be invited after X'ing up in Corp Chat, you will recieve a notification, which will flash briefly. Open up the chat menu with select, highlight notifications and press X and the notifications will open up. Select the invite and accept. Once in the squad it is the Squad Leader who selects what battle to join and the squad will follow him in. This is the same for Skirmish, Ambush and Corp Contract battles.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.28 17:48:00 - [15] - Quote I guess this comes from a FPS gaming mentality. When I want to learn how to become good at a game, I watch how the best players play, and then ask them what they do. Sometimes they freely give away their information, sometimes they don't want to, but it can't hurt. IMO you'll get far more from watching a good youtube video from a good player than you will from reading forum posts for hours. The thing that can hurt you is learning how to play from someone who cannot play. Everyone knows that bad habits are hard to break, and it's true for gaming too. Dust is different from other FPS games, but it is still a FPS game. Kevall Longstride wrote: In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if in two years you could have a successful Merc that doesn't even fire a shot. Well, I hope that is not the case, but I suppose it could happen. I'd rather try to improve my FPS skills. I think every new player should also notice that the >best< players almost never post in these forums. Most of the people who post here are (I include myself in this group ;) competent players, but not the best. We give the best advice we can to get players started, but if they want to learn from the best, they need to do that in game.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.28 18:24:00 - [16] - Quote Oh I doubt that any of our 182 members would claim to be anything other than competent at best. I certainly wouldn't. Our goal with DUST University is not to train you to be the best but to provide a relaxed place to get better, pass on what you've learned, have fun then move on to make your own way in New Eden should you wish. If being the best is what you want we happily point you to (in no particular order) Betamax, Zion TCD, Imperfects, What The French and many others. We see the core Dust player as someone who is bored with COD and wants a different challenge. Who's tired of abuse screaming 13 year olds in their lug hole. Over time we want to build up a database of knowledge that's free to all to browse. This is a long term project. Eve online is nearly 10 years old and EVE University has been in existence for 9 of them. At Fanfest 2023 when Dust celebrates its 10th anniversary, we want DUST University to be there too.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.01.28 18:52:00 - [17] - Quote Thanks Kevall. I hope they simplify that before launch. 0 Try Harder, I think the thing you are missing here is that DUST University brings a tremendous amount of credibility from its association with EVE University. The people managing DUST University may not be top FPS players, but they will attract skilled FPS players who enjoy teaching others, because they have a level of credibility that no other Corporation in DUST will have. Unless of course, Agony Unleashed makes a Dust Corp, but then you probably donGÇÖt know who they are either. I have never had any direct association with EVE University when playing EVE, but I have used their published material to learn how to setup my overview for PVP combat and learned many tips that made me a far more effective pilot. Kevall Longstride is not claiming that DUST University is currently the best place to go to learn to play DUST. The Goal is for DUST University to become the best place for new players to go to learn to play Dust. It will take time to find good FPS players who want to teach. It will take time to learn what the best fittings are. It will take time to develop skill training plans to help new players quickly become effective in their chosen specialisation. It will take time to figure out what the most important things for a new player to learn are. But DUST University is a flag for those interested in teaching others to rally around. And DUST University is a corp that EVE vets will know is forgiving to newb mistakes and forgiving of the stumbles people take while learning. In EVE, EVE University is dedicated to helping new players become competent in combat. They teach the basics, and they research their material to make sure they are not teaching bad habits. In EVE players who are experienced in combat and wont to learn from the best go to other sources, but I donGÇÖt hear anyone accusing EVE University of teaching bad habits. I expect DUST University will be the same once it gets going. It will teach what new players need to learn to become competent on the battlefield. The current phase of EVE University though should be considered the drunken faculty retreat where people get to know each other and bat around ideas which may or may not eventually coalesce into curriculum. EVE players are coming from a game that has been around for 10 years, so you must forgive us for taking a more long term view. [Edit: Or what Kevall said He is so much more concise. ]
Lars Yorkshire DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.01.29 05:48:00 - [18] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: I guess this comes from a FPS gaming mentality. When I want to learn how to become good at a game, I watch how the best players play, and then ask them what they do. Sometimes they freely give away their information, sometimes they don't want to, but it can't hurt. IMO you'll get far more from watching a good youtube video from a good player than you will from reading forum posts for hours. The thing that can hurt you is learning how to play from someone who cannot play. Everyone knows that bad habits are hard to break, and it's true for gaming too. Dust is different from other FPS games, but it is still a FPS game. Kevall Longstride wrote: In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if in two years you could have a successful Merc that doesn't even fire a shot. Well, I hope that is not the case, but I suppose it could happen. I'd rather try to improve my FPS skills. I think every new player should also notice that the >best< players almost never post in these forums. Most of the people who post here are (I include myself in this group ;) competent players, but not the best. We give the best advice we can to get players started, but if they want to learn from the best, they need to do that in game. You seem to me a master FPS gamer on the PS3 brah, got battlelog? OT: I joined yesterday and had the chance to go in a corp battle with you guys today. I'm really looking forward to achieve some progress with this corp :)
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.29 09:48:00 - [19] - Quote In furthering the education of our members I arranged for G I A N T to meet us up for a couple of corp battles last and kick us silly on the battlefield. Which they obliged to do spectacularly well. Many thanks must go to Arunis Gen of G I A N T who kindly stayed and chatted to us in squad, for over an hour, about our performance and gave some really good advice to myself and some of the other members that fought. I learned a lot, not only about tactics but also more about the corp UI in Dust which until I started running a corp of this size I didn't need to know. So a big thumbs up all round.
Darken Valta Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.29 12:12:00 - [20] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Get weaponry up to V ASAP. With a complex damage amplifier and a bit of range I can chew through a heavy in one clip on average. Also contrary to popular opinion, there is extra damage on upper body and head area. So aim high. Thanks for the tip. I'll pop online tonight and spend my SP on the Weaponry skill alone.

I HateMyFace BetaMax. 13	Posted - 2013.01.29 23:47:00 - [21] - Quote I have learned a lot from DUST university already. I really appreciate the corp battles at low cost so i can feel them out! I would eventually also like to be a part of higher level play without leaving D-Uni as i already feel strongly connected, but as you have already stated maybe thats best left to the Terrible Ten
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 10	Posted - 2013.01.30 00:03:00 - [22] - Quote Eve uni in dust? Win. Make sure you let the new players no about the complex fitting and skill system. Too many times I have heard its like a halo copy. Anyway thanks for what you do! Edit: I don't know if dust players can appreciate dust university right now. In eve university there famous! There reliable and good at what they do. If you played eve for some amount of time as a new player eventually someone would say eve university. I heard that eve university itself was mentioned in the physical copy of eveonline's manual. A corporation who's screening an applicant would see eve university on the players list of previous corps and be thrilled. It almost de facto means the person is knowledgeable (or a spy if they have cause to worry about such things , so many people go to the uni and people know when a recruiter sees it on there corp history they think they are better then average ). Its almost like having a letter of recommendation from all of your previous bosses. Eve-uni has been around for years. Its not a bunch of dudes who answer question of new players. New players have access to lectures and practal demonstrations and access to A HUGE amount of information. Very organized and structured a recommended corp for all new eve players. /end but kissing of eve uni.
DigiOps DUST University Ivy League 85	Posted - 2013.01.30 00:32:00 - [23] - Quote Haters gonna hate.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.30 01:08:00 - [24] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: Eve uni in dust? Win. Make sure you let the new players no about the complex fitting and skill system. Too many times I have heard its like a halo copy. Anyway thanks for what you do! Already started on the wiki.
Badwolf Jones The Southern Legion 18	Posted - 2013.01.30 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote From what I know about the Eve Uni in Eve Online, they run classes from learning the basics to advanced skills like surviving in WH space. Have a few of questions: 1. Do you see the Dust Uni holding it's own training classes, if so, how do you perceive these being held, in game or through mumble & UVT? 2. Will you require guest lecturers (a vocal member from PFBHz perhaps?) to come forward and give classes on specialist fields etc? 3. Do you intend to have 'training' corp battles against other corps? 4. As I understand, many join E-Uni and stay for set period of time before moving on (graduating) join or start other corps, do you see this happening with the D-Uni. Do think it's members will remain long term? 5. The E-Uni is famous for remaining neutral with New Eden, therefore will the D-Uni be involved Faction Warfare and Null Sec warfare? 6. There is no six. 7. Has Kelduum got an alt in the corp and can I shoot him?
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.01.31 11:52:00 - [26] - Quote Badwolf Jones wrote: From what I know about the Eve Uni in Eve Online, they run classes from learning the basics to advanced skills like surviving in WH space. Have a few of questions: 1. Do you see the Dust Uni holding it's own training classes, if so, how do you perceive these being held, in game or through mumble & UVT? 2. Will you require guest lecturers (a vocal member from PFBHz perhaps?) to come forward and give classes on specialist fields etc? 3. Do you intend to have 'training' corp battles against other corps? 4. As I understand, many join E-Uni and stay for set period of time before moving on (graduating) join or start other corps, do you see this happening with the D-Uni. Do think it's members will remain long term? 5. The E-Uni is famous for remaining neutral with New Eden, therefore will the D-Uni be involved Faction Warfare and Null Sec warfare? 6. There is no six. 7. Has Kelduum got an alt in the corp and can I shoot him? 1. Yes, but we're awaiting forum integration so D-UNI members can use Mumble. I'd rather they didn't HAVE to pay to use a UVT in a chat room but the beauty of it is that those with a UVT can join the same class chat channel as mumble users are using in Eve and Dust and still hear a UVT equipped teacher and type questions in chat. That sort of sums up what we want to do. 2. Yes, once the technical backend stuff is done. See above. 3. Yes. I'm just trying to sort out other stuff at the moment and the hours I'm doing at work over the next few days is making that difficult. But I'm setting up corp battles from 18.15 GMT to 8.15 GMT every hour, everyday (if I forget one day I apologise in advance), so use the filter to find those corp battles and join them to play some D-UNI guys. 4. If players want to stay in DUST University, they are free to stay as long as they like. If a new player learns the basics from us and move on in a week, I'll still be happy and indeed delighted. Its what were here for. 5. Dust Corporations have no standings at the moment. Why would they? They're mercs that fight for anyone with the Isk. Should that mechanic change then we will try to remain neutral but for the foreseeable future, its a free for all. I personally hope CCP keep it like it is but who knows what they have coming... What is this 'six' you speak of? 7. Kelduum has brought a PS3. He has an alt in DUST University. No I'm not telling you who it is but it's not difficult to spot....
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 966	Posted - 2013.01.31 15:56:00 - [27] - Quote Greetings. I see you guys have topped 200 members, good stuff. Just wanted to say hi and extend an offer of friendship and murder. This weekend I intend to bloody my newbros and figured you guys would be in a similar situation. I am also available on IRC most of the time if I am not in-game.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.02.01 01:09:00 - [28] - Quote Thanks Dent for hose kind words.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.02.01 23:10:00 - [29] - Quote Badwolf Jones wrote: 2. Will you require guest lecturers (a vocal member from PFBHz perhaps?) to come forward and give classes on specialist fields etc? D: if you guys are serious about helping noobs, I can volunteer ^_^. I'm not the best, but I'm not a noob :p. I get worried when I see the EVE guys posting training "advice". I have seen the posts they make on forums and how most of them play, and it is not pretty. There might be some good players coming to DUST from EVE with little FPS experience, but they are almost impossible to find. Here's some basic stuff you need to get your peeps to do: imo the first thing you have to do is make them adjust the sensitivity on their mouse or controller. It's something many fps players do. This strategy can help you practice aiming too, but most FPS players just adjust sensitivity because they can already aim. Some may just do it on the fly in the game, but an easy way I've found is this: > Set up a build with an assault rifle and nanohive (scout or assault, but preferably scout) > Get into a skirmish match with a big and safe redzone > Find a skinny pole (smaller than a clone's head) > Get 30+ meters away from the pole > Shoot the pole at head height (after every 15-20 rounds quickly release trigger and then hit it again to break kick) > While shooting, hold left or right on your controller or on your keyboard. - at this point you should be moving sideways (strafing) while shooting the pole at head height (aiming). To keep your sights on the pole, you should have to move your controller's stick or mouse sideways too. Adjust sensitivity/(practice?) until all of your shots hit the pole at head height. > The next thing you can do is pair up with someone, and have him strafe. This time don't touch the right stick of your controller or move your mouse, and just aim by strafing alone. I think no FPS players posted something like this because aiming just seems like a basic skill. Playing a FPS game without aiming? It makes no sense, but for some reason it's something that many players here have a problem doing. Almost every gamer likes a different sensitivity setting, so you need to find out what works for you. If you can't even hit a stationary target . @ longer ranges you might want to change how long you make your bursts. The AR skill changes this too, but personally I wouldn't go too far into that while starting. Of course practice makes perfect too. Best to do small maps (like the current Taipei ambush map) and play aggressively. You're not going to get better if you spend all your time hiding and running away. Hip fire works @ close range, but personally I try to use it as little as possible. Headshots ftw. While using an assault rifle with all militia gear, if you're able to strafe, aim, and use cover, you should be able to kill 90% of the people on here (right now) with no points in weaponry or anything else related to infantry skills. Yes, it's that easy. Also, you should do "lectures" while in a game. You're not learning anything in a FPS game if you're not shooting.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.02.01 23:46:00 - [30] - Quote Thats good advice there from Try Harder. Take note. This is the sort of stuff we want posting on here, hints and tips that others can refer to. It might not work for everyone, everyones style is different after all but if works for you and you think it will help, post away. DUST University is not planning to go Hardcore. Our goal is to provide a relaxed environment to learn about a game that is only going to increase in complexity as time goes on. We also want to introduce FPS players who are perhaps feeling a little jaded with the traditional FPS games currently out there, to a game that while in its infancy, has a background lore that has been over ten years in the making. A lore that has, in my opinion, the greatest gaming community on the planet. I was a MASSIVE CoD fan. But after MW2 it was just getting repetitive and stale. Even Halo was getting dull. I'm a console gamer. Always have been. Eve, other than CIV5, is the only game I play on a PC and I play it because I feel a part of something that sadly you don't find in console FPS, as much as I love them, and that something is community. Now if I can be a part of bringing a quality FPS into that community and lore, I call that a win. If I turn into Headshot Doug doing it, well, thats a loss



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