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Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:29:00 - [1] - Quote heres some stuff you need to know, in the E3 beta the swarm launcher was able to be shot at infrantry but due to its fire pattern was useless at close range (long range it worked against infrantry on accurecy subject), after a few build it was made lock on only, non lock on only, and back to what we ahve now (lock on only) so we don`t have games like star hawk or halo where you jump up and shoot a RPG for instante kills, the FG as a heavy weapon needs to be better then the light weight Swarm luancher so it works efficivly against infrantry aswell (as does the HMG to dropships sheilds and LAVS). Now heres the other half of the information: https://dust514.com/media/wallpapers/testers-tournament-unlock-5-5/ https://dust514.com/media/videos/developer-diary-weapons-in-dust-514/ you can skip to 3:35. So what about the stats for the gallante Plasma/rocket luancher? well since its dumb fired it will need to be a meduim between the swarm laucnher and the forge gun but is capibul of being on a scout suit and an assualt suit. Can it be fixed like the swarm luancher? no it must stay as a dumb fire since thats its intentions and opther wise be a swarm launcher, it must be usfull against vehicle so it need an inpact but splash damage can be low (still useless since no one has that bad of aim vs infrantry) so the only think that comes to mind is have it not do damage inless activated like an AV grenade...will that happen? I highly doubt it.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:31:00 - [2] - Quote I believe the usual course of action is to start a poll.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:38:00 - [3] - Quote so basically a forge gun for non heavies
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:40:00 - [4] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: so basically a forge gun for non heavies oooo, you prove a good point sir, they also get to benifet from the heavys weakness.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:49:00 - [5] - Quote um there is allready dumb fire swarm launchers on the market, I've killed people with them.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.27 01:09:00 - [6] - Quote Wow, b*itching has reached a new level, whining before a weapon is even shown at all. Dark times indeed.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.27 01:14:00 - [7] - Quote i;m all for new weps
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 01:18:00 - [8] - Quote You don't even know what the damn thing does yet. Hold your horses.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:00:00 - [9] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: You don't even know what the damn thing does yet. Hold your horses. they explained. Also, having helped fix the swarms so we don`t have idiots jumping around with them like every other game and seeing they are releasing this is a slap to the face, I bet you will be calling it out when it is released. also if you have used it you are mistaken with the FG, MD. I`m fine with it as long as its not the newb tube of DUST514. Thats why I mentioned what I did in the OP (Original Post, OP term #2...not term #1).
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:14:00 - [10] - Quote If you want to blap infantry and still have AV utility make an HMG heavy with AV nades. Forge guns are hard killing Infantry for a REASON. if they stay as good at AV and then suddenly blap infantry squads then we introduce the DPS tank. the Forge is fine in it's AV role. I'm cool with my 1/3 accuracy with my forgegun on grunts. And by 1/3 I really mean closer to one in five shots connecting unless the stars align. i use HMG for infantry, Forge for AV. neither needs to overlap, and to do so would introduce the very definition of OP. I mean a forge gun blaps a dropsuit! NOW you want it to be more accurate? How is that fun for anyone but the forge gunner? And if you mean the charge time, train FG 5, FGP 5 and use an ishukone assault forge. If you want to kill vehicles with an HMG use AV nades to pop the shields or flux then unload. It only works against stupid and panicky people but it works.

Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:20:00 - [11] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: they explained. Also, having helped fix the swarms so we don`t have idiots jumping around with them like every other game and seeing they are releasing this is a slap to the face, I bet you will be calling it out when it is released. also if you have used it you are mistaken with the FG, MD. I`m fine with it as long as its not the newb tube of DUST514. Thats why I mentioned what I did in the OP (Original Post, OP term #2...not term #1). He called it a dumbfire AV weapon. You could call the Forge gun the same thing. All we know is that the projectile is unguided and it's mounted from the shoulder. For all we know it could be a heavy weapon. We don't even know if it has splash or not. Calm the hell down.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:28:00 - [12] - Quote he called it a heavy weapon. that might rule out it's use on assault suits
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:33:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: he called it a heavy weapon. that might rule out it's use on assault suits I didn't see or hear that, but that was my first thought. This looks like a heavy only weapon, especially since they showed the assault guy using a forge gun. That would be pretty sick actually, if that thing was just beast
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:42:00 - [14] - Quote I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in IRC that the Plasma Cannon is a Heavy weapon.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:48:00 - [15] - Quote "we`ve got the Gallante Plasma luancher, wich is a new dumb fire AV weapon umm which I think the players are really really going to like and last of cuarse..." (he then goes onto the scrambler AR. nothing mentioned on heavy or assist, except "dumb fired" so its definitly not lock on, it has a scope that you pear into so its doubtfull a heavy. sorry guys but I rather over react (or just react, depending on opinion) and not need to rather then not react and have needed, Star Hawk beta testers remember the cluster bombs? It was re acted upon but not till after game was a change made, after how long did it take to make it "exceptible"?
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:54:00 - [16] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: I believe the usual course of action is to start a poll. uh, no. The usual course of action is to nerf it.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:56:00 - [17] - Quote You've got nothing to react to. You have an AV weapon that doesn't lock on. Woop-de-kitten-do. And why couldn't a heavy raise the launcher to his eye? It's shoulder mounted, all he's gotta do it tilt his head.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:57:00 - [18] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Three Double-A Batteries wrote: I believe the usual course of action is to start a poll. uh, no. The usual course of action is to nerf it. lol, but i don`t think we should do either. CCP knows the stats and mechanics of it, we are (or some of us are) are just saying what NOT to do and if CCP notices and understands why then they will do a fix, if what I`m saying it shouldn`t be capible of doing is wrong then no issue! i`m just trying to make sure it doesn`t go down as halo jumping noob tube.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:00:00 - [19] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: You've got nothing to react to. You have an AV weapon that doesn't lock on. Woop-de-kitten-do. And why couldn't a heavy raise the launcher to his eye? It's shoulder mounted, all he's gotta do it tilt his head. no reason, just to tired to think, sorry. But if CCP sees this and understands they ahve time to fix, if I`m wrong then its where i want it (and I expect others) to be.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:05:00 - [20] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: Jotun Hiem wrote: You've got nothing to react to. You have an AV weapon that doesn't lock on. Woop-de-kitten-do. And why couldn't a heavy raise the launcher to his eye? It's shoulder mounted, all he's gotta do it tilt his head. no reason, just to tired to think, sorry. But if CCP sees this and understands they ahve time to fix, if I`m wrong then its where i want it (and I expect others) to be. CCP can't fix it. There is nothing to fix. Wait until you can see what a weapon does before you complain about it. Otherwise you're just soothsaying.

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 41	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:12:00 - [21] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: Jotun Hiem wrote: You've got nothing to react to. You have an AV weapon that doesn't lock on. Woop-de-kitten-do. And why couldn't a heavy raise the launcher to his eye? It's shoulder mounted, all he's gotta do it tilt his head. no reason, just to tired to think, sorry. But if CCP sees this and understands they ahve time to fix, if I`m wrong then its where i want it (and I expect others) to be. CCP can't fix it. There is nothing to fix. Wait until you can see what a weapon does before you complain about it. Otherwise you're just soothsaying. but i`m not complaining what it does, i`m stating what it shouldn`t do so CCP doesn`t have to go back and fix it later, so we don`t have a spam of OP threads etc, whats the worse of me saying this? CCP sees this as understadible advice or they think to themselves it actully does this and that so its not a problem.
Ralden Caster Reliable Recon Corporation 0	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:02:00 - [22] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: um there is allready dumb fire swarm launchers on the market, I've killed people with them. So, what is this variant called? I can't find it
Ralden Caster Reliable Recon Corporation 0	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:05:00 - [23] - Quote .
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 844	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:07:00 - [24] - Quote Why did I come in here actually expecting something useful, you'd think I'd learn by now -_-
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3407	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:08:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in IRC that the Plasma Cannon is a Heavy weapon. Incorrect Plasma Cannon is a known LIGHT weapon according to wolfman.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 123	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:16:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in IRC that the Plasma Cannon is a Heavy weapon. Incorrect plasma Cannon is a known LIGHT weapon according to CCP wolfman and CCP nullarbor. Like the swarm launcher its also projectile fire similar to the Mass Driver was also confirmed. What isn't confirmed is the need to pre-charge or not, how many shots a reload, and how much reserve shots. Also the new build is in Sony's hands, has been for a while. Approval is likely to be passed very soon then the planned deployment on the 6th theres even a CCP video with it used/show/kill by, the caldari battle one and it has been stated many times over its dumbfire.
Volgair The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.04.13 00:01:00 - [27] - Quote All I think of with the Flaylock Pistol is a Line of site micro rocket that perform's the same task as the MD at shorter ranges, for lower damage. So calm down, let us see what it does first.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 43	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:28:00 - [28] - Quote Volgair wrote: All I think of with the Flaylock Pistol is a Line of site micro rocket that perform's the same task as the MD at shorter ranges, for lower damage. So calm down, let us see what it does first. Its find to speculate, the fact we don`t know doesn`t mean its right so if we speculate wrong and mention its speculation (I can fix the title if you think its neccisarry) so if we speculate right CCP can see it and fix it, if its not right they can move on, theres nothing wrong with doing it aslong as you do it legitly.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 163	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:32:00 - [29] - Quote Charge + Small Radius (Except for Assault Variants) + Low Radius Damage = Perfectly balanced infantry weapon (I think )
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 43	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:36:00 - [30] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Charge + Small Radius (Except for Assault Variants) + Low Radius Damage = Perfectly balanced infantry weapon (I think ) as an AV weapon a swarmer can get an instant kill on an infrantry (proven by that poor logi bro who took a swarm for my tank, RIPeices), heavys will die instanty and anything to slow would also die from it, COD/HALO/ SH jump and shoot at the eneamys feet or chest and you got easy kills, many games flop on this and I`m just trying to give tips to make sure DUST514 won`t have a bad build for it.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1216	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:36:00 - [31] - Quote The only thing we've really seen of them is use in the background of a video- we know they fire on a low arc, so it's possible they're like a beefy version of the breach mass driver.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 127	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:40:00 - [32] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The only thing we've really seen of them is use in the background of a video- we know they fire on a low arc, so it's possible they're like a beefy version of the breach mass driver. I would actually hope so, a AV shield effective weapon needs a downside of using to prevent using it for non-av purpose to be effective so its in line with other AV weapons.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 45	Posted - 2013.04.14 01:16:00 - [33] - Quote ladwar wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The only thing we've really seen of them is use in the background of a video- we know they fire on a low arc, so it's possible they're like a beefy version of the breach mass driver. I would actually hope so, a AV shield effective weapon needs a downside of using to prevent using it for non-av purpose to be effective so its in line with other AV weapons. yea sure if its a heavy varient since they should have that as a side porpuse but as a light? hay no, might aswell puch the MD aside and use the Gallante rocket, not to much diffrence to ammo anyways.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 876	Posted - 2013.04.14 01:25:00 - [34] - Quote Well a couple of things: 1) Out of sake of technicality, let's not call it dumb fire rocket, as it is called a Plasma Launcher. I believe it is dumbfire only because it can't follow a lock on anything ever. It's plasma, I highly doubt you could get a ball of plasma to follow a vehicle moving at a high rate of speed (unless you attached a supermagnet to the vehicle first) 2) The solution to this RPG problem is simple. No splash damage. Fixed. That would make it even worse than a forge for Anti infantry (in terms of practicality) 3) Instakilling: Well by the looks of the video, it has a slower travel time than the forge (not by a lot by noticeable)
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 229	Posted - 2013.04.14 04:33:00 - [35] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Wow, b*itching has reached a new level, whining before a weapon is even shown at all. Dark times indeed. That's how it works - you claim something is broken or op before it is even available to you :D
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2467	Posted - 2013.04.14 04:45:00 - [36] - Quote Forge: Fast (not instant) straight-line projectile, extreme damage, balanced against shield and armour (slightly better against shields). Swarms: EXTREME slow-moving guided projectile, moderate damage, weak vs. shields, strong vs. armour. Plasma Cannon: Moderate speed ARCING projectile, looks like less total damage than Swarms (but without being spread across multiple slightly drunk projectiles), high shield damage at the cost of reduced damage vs. armour. There's also the fact that "pure" Plasma weapons are always short-range in EVE, and that CCP have said the Plasma Cannon will be a short-range weapon as well. I'm guessing there's a good chance it will have almost-instant falloff, and quite a fast loss of damage over range, so you'll need to be right on top of the enemy tank to be hitting as hard as we saw in the video. Yes, it'll be useful against infantry, but probably only when you're in Shotgun range, unless you're planning to use it as a glorified Flux Grenade.
Kas Croixe Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 28	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:20:00 - [37] - Quote been sayin' it since I saw it, it looks like the shotgun of AV options. freaky damage, but you gotta get right up in their face. seems the Scout AV option has been introduced.


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