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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:13:00 - [1] - Quote Dust 514 needs a post-tutorial training program. While other players and better tutorials help players wander around into the game better. There is very little to further a player's performance on the field in any form of training. 2.0 was created after a discussion with [STAR]CharginMoose (division of ISD volunteers that helps new players and events in eve and soon dust) who has been influential in developing tutorials and NPE experiences in Eve. The end goal is to same, increase player field performance. The new goal is to reduce 'achievement system-itis'. So on that note, NO TROPHY SYSTEM INVOLVED. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Certificates While Eve Online's system fits to that game like a glove there are a few issues with it such as scatter brain training, doesn't improve a player's performance, and is still not a good 'teaching' tool and slightly falls short of being a 'guide tool' as well.. Dust 514 if it copied Eve's system would most likely suffer just as much. So addressing issues is in order. Welcome To Dust 514 Certificates When a player get into the game for the first time a new ! indicator will lead players to the welcome to the certificate page. From here the player is given a quick rundown on the function and purpose of certificates can be done by text or video tutorial. Once this page is dismissed the default page will be current selected certification progress or selection of a new goal if none are set. When starting out the player will be presented with various certification packages with short descriptions more tailored towards roles, function, weapons, and platforms. Upon selecting a predefined role (or making a custom one) and from here a tree populates with the various levels of the certificate and all the criteria needed to obtain the certificate. Every time the player comes back here they can see how far up the tree they are. They can browse the tree and get detail on any certificate or goal in it and could see even additional tress that part of the certificate or cert is a part of and could possibly branch out further or trim limbs even change end goals as they see fit. They can also quickly access the means to achieve goal points such as market, skill sheet, or battle finder. Unlike Eve Online where its skill book level reliant, Dust 514's could take a bit from using active components to train players on proper use of the system, vehicle, weapon, or equipment. Greater emphasis on doing the normal while less emphasis on accomplishing the odd, weird, near impossible. Another component I wanted to bring in to make FPS players from other games more at home is a reward for completing a certificate system. This is a very controversial part however as they may encourage scatter training instead of focus however that's how players are in general. So rewards should be considered, tweaked, adjusted and more focused on continued training than achievement like system. So ultimately no special issue gear or paint will ever be given out though certs All items are buy-able from market for isk or time. The other idea I had was for an AURUM component for a permanent ($5 price or less) certification+ program to double up the rewards would help generate some funds for Dust 514. Plasma Rifle Operator Basic This certificate represents a basic level of competence in handling Plasma Rifles. It certifies that the holder is able to use Plasma Rifles and not shoot his own foot off and generally point it in the direction of the enemy hoping for results. While not much, it is a start in the skills needed to be a front line soldier. []Train Weaponry I []Train Plasma Rifle I []Train Light Weapons Capacity I []Kill 25 Mercenaries with 'any' Plasma Rifle Unlocks Plasma Rifle Operator Improved Critria Unlocks Plasma Rifle Marksman Basic Criteria !Rewards 25 Plasma Rifles !Rewards 1000 SP Completes the Criteria Goal of Front Line Solider Basic Certificate Completes the Criteria Goal of Plasma Rifle Mastery Basic Plasma Rifle Marksman Basic Level This certificate represents a basic level of accuracy when using Plasma Rifles. It certifies that the holder can hit a broad side of a barn at least. []Kill 25 Mercenaries with Headshots []Kill 50 Mercenaries at Optimal Weapon Range []Complete 3 matches while maintaining 15% accuracy. Unlocks Plasma Rifle Marksman Improved Criteria !Rewards 25 Plasma Rifle Green-dot Scopes !Rewards 1500 SP Completes the Criteria Goal of Plasma Rifle Mastery Basic* Plasma Rifle Operator Improved Level This certificate represents an experienced level of competence in handling Plasma Rifles. It certifies that the holder is able to use Plasma Rifles to successfully keep other mercenaries heads down and regret being out in the open with no cover. An essential skill needed to be a front line soldier. []Train Weaponry II []Train Plasma Rifle II []Train Light Weapons Capacity II []Train Light Weapons Marksman I []Train Light Weapons Reload I []Train Light Weapon Upgrades I []Kill 50 Mercenaries with 'any' Plasma Rifle Unlocks Plasma Rifle Operator Advanced Criteria Unlocks Plasma Rifle Tactical Plasma Rifle Basic Criteria Unlocks Plasma Rifle Burst Plasma Rifle Basic Criteria Unlocks Plasma Rifle Breach Plasma Rifle Basic Criteria ! Rewards 15 each Tactical, Breach, Burst & Assault Rifles. ! Rewards 2500 SP ! Rewards 250 copies of Snow Tiger Paint scheme for Plasma Rifles Completes the Criteria Goal of Front Line Soldier Improved Certificate Completes the Criteria Goal of Plasma Rifle Mastery Improved
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:20:00 - [2] - Quote Overall On Rewards my stances are as is BPOs The idea is to help new players sample things as they get better. 25 copies of usable gear is sufficient to pick up and use and get used to. Sometimes a whole suite of equipment is issued to allow experimentation. None the less this should last most players 2-5 fights, more than enough to learn it on the field. So overall I am very adamant against BPO issuing. Meta Level The other idea is to not turn this into push button get gold system. Its supposed to great encouraging more game play styles such as giving players weapon variants beyond meta 1 is counter to the goal it may also force players to wrongfully spend SP into rewards they may not like using. Isk Rewards In all honesty and realistically players would be paying for certifications, but alas don't need more artifical entry barriers if possible. If the player is that strapped for cash they can sell the items and being at meta 1 they're not going to get much. So overall I am against isk rewards, and rather give out items such as skill books. Uniques/Rares The idea is to train soldiers on standard equipment, not special items that cannot obtained via market so they can buy more and continue to progress. So I am very against the idea of 'bragging' rights gear or paint even because I don't want the system to turn into acheviment grind. So mostly I am very much against the idea of 'special issue.' Skill Points SP rewards are low in the example just to be a carrot on a stick and a further push towards a training direction and serve no other purpose. They're minimal enough that you cant get even get a lvl 1x1 out of them but this can cause scatter training. This becomes a hard table to balance overall and may just not be included and I am willing to see this go. Paint Rewards I think to alleviate the whole ordeal the paint awarded would be just for fun and easily re-buy-able instead of something special and unobtainable. It increases awareness of the aurum side of the store and may encourage sales. I feel that awarding normally aurum purchasable paint is healthy bonus without being too 'cheap'. Offering large number of these paints also encourages use (where as the 25 quafe suits are very much not going to get used.) Item Rewards Item rewards I feel should be tailored for training, like 'now that you are used to the basic assault rifle, here try some of these flavors out!' and issue the soldier a few tactical burst and breech variants. Or 'oh you're training to be accurate?'here have a few green-dot scopes. I do not want to give items for the sole reason of just because which is why the higher certificate levels don't offer these rewards but offers paint instead and usually if the item is awarded from the certificate they already have the skills to equip it right then and there soon as the certificate 'dings'. Vehicle side I am more cosidering offering suits and modules instead of the hull base. Would be awful if mcc certs gave a free MCC away. Where offering a command suit, a requirement to sit in an mcc controls is more appropirate. About AURUM Dust 514 needs funding, I saw opportunity and offered it via x2 the rewards from certificates. Those who do the math would probably figure out that 5$ is probably overpriced, but this buy in is future proof (IE later on they add in MTAC certificates and Cert+ will still apply) also awarding some free aurum swag is additional advertising for the store front. While it seems odd to as a player to desire paying this game I would like to see this game continue growing and that takes money. It may be also possible to shove in Cert+ as a bonus for buy a starter package ($50 usd) among full suite of milita bpos and among other things. The $5 price tag I think was appropirate but who knows. However I truely want the pernmanet option over 'subscription' option because its going to take forever to max out the certificate system, probably just as long as the Skill Point system will and thats going to be alot of nickle and diming cheapness there if its per month. Teaching verses Achieving Continuing on one thing I want to avoid is making this feel like an achievement system and more of a teaching system. Practice in Dust 514 does makes perfect which is why kill x mercenaries is still in it for weapons. However here are some examples of Teach vs Achievement Using Laser Rifles at their optimal range to kill a mercenary vs Destroy an LAV with a Laser Rifle. Use a Forge Gun to strike a vehicle's weak spot and destroy it vs Head Shot a Gallente Scout suit with a Forge Gun Use a Grenade to kill a player behind cover vs Kill 3 people with a single grenade Use a Sniper Rifle to Kill a player shooting a team mate. vs Use a sniper rifle to snipe out a passenger of a dropship. Obtain 100 Flight Hours in a Dropship vs Squash 10 Infantry with the bottom of your dropship. Safely Revive 10 mercenaries and get them to safety (mercenary doesn't die in 5 seconds of revive) vs Revive 100 mercenaries Capture all Null cannons on the map and hold them to end of match vs Complete a Skirmish Fight without dying. Your team finishes an Ambush Match with 50% of clones remaining. vs Kill the entire opposing team without dying. Use your armor systems to survive 5x more damage than you normally would have taken vs don't die a whole match. As you can see these teach vs acheivement much more focused on normal use of the gear, expected use of the gear, and getting good with it, instead of some insanely stupid/silly/impossible feat like get three headshots with 1 bullet.
GarryKE Omnispace Trading Company 60	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:23:00 - [3] - Quote I'd quite like to see this too. It would help by giving you a linear plan of progression. Alongside the certificates should be a paragraph, like in EVE such as: Quote: This certificate represents a basic level of competence in handling light weapons. It certifies that the holder is able to use Assault Rifles, the Mass Driver, Plasma Shotguns, and Sniper Rifles. The holder is aware that you just point and click. This is a good skillset if you're dabbling in the Assault role. Which gives a good idea to new players on weapon types and which role and dropsuit they accompany.
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:26:00 - [4] - Quote I like the idea. This would really help fresh meat in tenderizing so as to know how to progress with the roles in what to do.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote GarryKE wrote: I'd quite like to see this too. It would help by giving you a linear plan of progression. Alongside the certificates should be a paragraph, like in EVE such as: Quote: This certificate represents a basic level of competence in handling light weapons. It certifies that the holder is able to use Assault Rifles, the Mass Driver, Plasma Shotguns, and Sniper Rifles. The holder is aware that you just point and click. This is a good skillset if you're dabbling in the Assault role. Which gives a good idea to new players on weapon types and which role and dropsuit they accompany. stealing your paragraph.
S Park Finner BetaMax. 89	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:49:00 - [6] - Quote I like this idea a lot but I wonder about the balance between meaningful performance instrumenting the game to gather the information. Kill 50 mercs is pretty clear. Kill 25 mercs behind cover could be a challenge to record even though it makes more sense to me as proof of real skill. Is this a real concern?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:52:00 - [7] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: I like this idea a lot but I wonder about the balance between meaningful performance instrumenting the game to gather the information. Kill 50 mercs is pretty clear. Kill 25 mercs behind cover could be a challenge to record even though it makes more sense to me as proof of real skill. Is this a real concern? Mass Driver Marksman Basic Kill 50 mercs Kill 25 mercs behind cover Fixed :D
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:06:00 - [8] - Quote A few examples of Certificates Types Logistics Master Certificate This certificate represents unmatched level of competence in being a facilitator of war. It certifies that the holder is a true 'Logi-bro' though and though. Showing his squad mates in helpful nanties to ensure they can keep fighting in the most desperate of situations. Proven quite capable of using repair tools and deploy-able equipment. Demolition Expert Certificate This certificate represents an expert level of competence in handling explosive devices. It certifies that the holder is able to use explosives to blow everything up but himself. If you need something removed this man is your man. This is a required skill set for any self respecting commando.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.01.26 20:32:00 - [9] - Quote +1 I love this idea
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:31:00 - [10] - Quote meh

Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2013.01.26 21:34:00 - [11] - Quote Good post. I like that it adds active achievements to the basic well working Eve certificate system.
Hunter Junko WARRIORS 1NC 45	Posted - 2013.01.26 22:53:00 - [12] - Quote i very much like this Idea, but i believe it should be implemented later in the game, when larger maps are made and installations are expendable (you'll see why) plus, i'd like to add a detailed version of certificates. (All credit goes to OP) also taken the liberty of adding a few extra ideas. Here's a certificate version for our Logibro's: Logistics Operator Certificate: This certificate represents a level of competence in providing Logistical support to the war effort, securing and capturing supply caches within the area of operations. It certifies that the holder is able to effectively contribute to the war effort by providing supplies to ammunition exhausted allies,repairing damaged aircraft and securing supply lines for the war effort. Obtaining this certificate permits access to Standard Level Logistics Drop-suits, Installation repair kits, Nanohives and Codebreakers. Entitles the Holder to request temp. ammunition supply depots in designated areas to MCC commander while wearing a Logistics Dropsuit. List of required Criteria: [ ] Train (any) logistics suit to lvl 1 [ ] Train combat engineering Rewards additional 2000 SP [ ] Train system hacking Lvl 1 [ ] Train repair systems to Lvl 1 [ ] Train Remote repair systems to Lvl 2 Rewards: additional 2000 SP Rewards:25 BPCs of Logistics Repair tool Additional criteria: Fully Restock ammunition for 100 soldiers using Nanohives. Repair and restock ammunition for 20 vechicles. Rewards: 25 BPCs of Logistics Operator Drop suit (STD) Logistics Specialist Certificate: This certificate represents an advanced level of competence in providing Logistical support to the war effort, securing and capturing supply caches within the area of operations. It certifies that the holder is able to effectively contribute to the war effort by providing supplies to ammunition exhausted allies, repairing damaged aircraft and securing supply lines for the war effort. Obtaining this certificate permits access to Advanced Level Drop-suits, repair tools, nanohives and code breakers. Requested supply depots can now switch Dropsuits on the fly in designated areas. Holder however cannot switch to different drop suits. Any objectives hacked by the holder will be slightly more resistant to enemy hacking Entitles the Holder to recall any hacked LAVGÇÖs and temp. supply depots via RDV List of required Criteria: [ ] Obtain Medical operator certificate [ ] Train 2 faction Logistics suit to Lvl 3 [ ] Train combat engineering to Lvl 3 Rewards additional 5,500 SP [ ] Train system hacking Lvl 3 [ ] Train repair systems to Lvl 3 [ ] Train Remote repair systems to Lvl 4 Rewards: additional 5,500 SP Rewards: 25 additional BPCs of Logistics Repair tool Rewards: 50 BPCs of Logistics Codebreakers Additional criteria: Fully repair and restock ammunition for 500 soldiers using Nanohives. Repair and restock ammunition for 100 vechicles. Rewards: 50 BPCs of Logistics Operator Drop suit (STD) Rewards: 50 BPCs of Logistics Logistics Officer Certificate: This certificate represents an Dedicated Level of competence in providing Logistical support to the war effort, securing and capturing supply caches within the area of operations. It certifies that the holder is able to effectively contribute to the war effort by providing supplies to ammunition exhausted allies, repairing damaged aircraft and securing supply lines for the war effort. Obtaining this certificate permits access to Prototype level Repair tools, Nanohives and code breakers. Further entitles the Holder to Make priority requests to command or MCC commander for permanent Supply Depots within the area of operations. exhausts one (Supply depot installation) from HolderGÇÖs assets. Furthermore, Any hacked vehicles and temp. supply depots can be recalled via RDV. List of required Criteria: [ ] Obtain Medical Specialist Certificate [ ] Obtain MCC Commander [ ] Train 2 faction Logistics suits to Lvl 5 and 2 faction Logistics suits to Lvl 3 [ ] Complete combat engineering Rewards additional 15,000 SP [ ] Complete system hacking [ ] Complete Repair Systems [ ] Complete Remote repair systems Rewards: additional 15,000 SP Rewards: BPO Logistics repair tool (STD) Rewards: additional 100 BPCs of Logistics Codebreakers Additional criteria: -Fully repair and restock ammunition for 2000 soldiers using Nanohives and Repair Tools. -Repair and restock ammunition for 500 vechicles. -Capture and recall 50 Temp supply depots -Refit 100 Clone Soldiers using upgraded Temp supply depots. --Rewards: BPO of Logistics Operator Drop suit (STD) --Rewards: BPO of Logistics pistol (STD)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.01.27 11:42:00 - [13] - Quote This is a really great Idea, and I hope it gets CPP's attention.
Zat Earthshatter Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2013.01.27 12:01:00 - [14] - Quote I wondered how long it would take for the Certificate system to be suggested for DUST. I support it not only for giving you something to show for your efforts, but also because Certs in EVE are used to aid in skillplans - this is because almost all of them are based in the core-skills. I also like how you incorporated in-game usage of the given skills - this is necessary for DUST because one needs to have combat experience with a weapon as well to be considered "good" at it. I recommend requiring killing within the weapon's optimal ranges - which are estimated by your HUD by effectiveness percentages. Full-cert example of this idea using a different weapon: Laser Rifle - Standard certification >L3 in Laser Rifle Operation >L2 in Light Weapon Sharpshooter >Have pre-requisite certificates (up to CCP) >10 Infantry kills at a damage efficiency rating of at least 80% as calculated on HUD. The holder of this certification has shown front-line capacity in equipping Laser Rifles up to Advanced Rank, and can effectively use them in combat situations. The holder is aware that all Laser Rifles are ineffective at close range, but are nearly unmatched at marksman-range engagements. Unlocks: Viziam color scheme for Laser Rifles. (that is the Advanced, right?) Now, as for in-game unlocks, Certifications should grant cosmetic-only unlocks, but they should not be consumable. The only thing I can think of that can work in DUST are camouflage+color patterns. In order for this to work, they have to: >applicable to whatever item/skill the cert applies to - dropsuits, vehicles, weapons, whatever - If you wanted to get fancy, you could even mess with the shield+armor animations as rewards for tanking certs. >Be recognizable from other patterns - this has potential intimidation factor too: say a Sagaris came up, but its Heavy Booster animation had lightning-shaped hex borders. That would indicate that he has a high-level Cert in EM hardening - meaning you're going to have to throw more than one Flux Grenade to take his shield down! >Not be confused with Faction patterns - I know it's similar to above - Remember that most Faction ships in EVE have a unique camo pattern - Bloodraiders have "blood splatter", CN has that awesome blue/grey camo, and they need to be highly recognizable as such. On the other hand, getting to splash Faction camo on your Sica would have a hilarious effect on some newberries >Be optional - Although that Sagaris situation has a tactical application, you generally don't want to telegraph your strengths - you want an equal opponent to assume that you're weak until the last second. Making them optional lets you choose between intimidation and not making yourself a big target. >Be grounded in New Eden - this is a sci-fi MMO, not a frat party. I don't want to see people flying dropships with patterns that look like they came out of a certain "celebrity"-owned, leopard-filled closet. cough Red Tiger cough I will, however, want to see the odd LAV bearing the CreoDron logo proudly on its hood, advertising the corporation to the enemy, the ally, and anyone else that cares to look. And you know Quafe will want in on the action. Simple color changes work too - so long as I don't see any neon or "bold" colors, we're OK here.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.27 20:21:00 - [15] - Quote Version 2.0 up, second post changed up and wording significantly arranged differently. Overall idea is the same but emphasis has been applied to certain areas.
137H4RGIC WarRavens 26	Posted - 2013.01.28 08:23:00 - [16] - Quote +1 Bump
KalOfTheRathi CowTek 168	Posted - 2013.01.28 08:28:00 - [17] - Quote Question: What are War Points?
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 907	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:18:00 - [18] - Quote I really like this idea. I think that you could go one step further and tie PS3 trophy rewards to these certs. It was pointed out to me that you wouldn't want to directly tie this to certain certs (free intel regarding what a character has speced into), so maybe you could make it to where reaching milestones like first 10 certs give you trophy and the like.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:39:00 - [19] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I really like this idea. I think that you could go one step further and tie PS3 trophy rewards to these certs. It was pointed out to me that you wouldn't want to directly tie this to certain certs (free intel regarding what a character has speced into), so maybe you could make it to where reaching milestones like first 10 certs give you trophy and the like. That is a more reasonable trophy I can agree with. Certified 10 Over Certified 100
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:41:00 - [20] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Question: What are War Points? points for performing well in a battle.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.01.28 18:54:00 - [21] - Quote Still brilliant
Velvet Overkill Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 104	Posted - 2013.01.29 10:03:00 - [22] - Quote This will be a good way make progressing through this game feel more rewarding, worthwhile, and fun. Lots of people will appreciate this kinda thing.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.01.29 11:44:00 - [23] - Quote I always thought certificates would be very welcome in Dust as they were very VERY usefull to me in EVE. Offering some small rewards is a good idea even though i believe it wouldnt even be needed so people take interest in them. Another thing that would be very very usefull is some kind of "scripted" ground tutorials. Take players into various situations in short scenarized battles against rogue drones. It will allow to explain basic stuff (how to medic, how to give orders as squad lead, how to get an OB, how to call in a vehicle, how to use weapons (optimal range, laser trick) etc...) Those could also provide some SP as a motivation. Maybe the SP amount given could be raised over time when the average SP progression gets higher and higher. I 'll add some more thoughts on your certificates after i've red the whole thing
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.01.29 12:27:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI- GÇÅ @CCP_CmdrWang Great thread on education. passive+active certificate system http://tinyurl.com/asju4gw Iron Wolf Saber. I'll stop spamming you now 4h CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ @KAGEHOSHI1 Great ideas, we are planning something similar. Just need to sort out the logistics for it.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.29 13:40:00 - [25] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: KAGEHOSHI- GÇÅ @CCP_CmdrWang Great thread on education. passive+active certificate system http://tinyurl.com/asju4gw Iron Wolf Saber. I'll stop spamming you now 4h CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ @KAGEHOSHI1 Great ideas, we are planning something similar. Just need to sort out the logistics for it. Well that's nice to see I wonder what portions they're going to use if they decide to be inspired.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.29 17:42:00 - [26] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: I always thought certificates would be very welcome in Dust as they were very VERY usefull to me in EVE. Offering some small rewards is a good idea even though i believe it wouldnt even be needed so people take interest in them. Another thing that would be very very usefull is some kind of "scripted" ground tutorials. Take players into various situations in short scenarized battles against rogue drones. It will allow to explain basic stuff (how to medic, how to give orders as squad lead, how to get an OB, how to call in a vehicle, how to use weapons (optimal range, laser trick) etc...) Those could also provide some SP as a motivation. Maybe the SP amount given could be raised over time when the average SP progression gets higher and higher. I 'll add some more thoughts on your certificates after i've red the whole thing I think it would better if there was a 'training' room for this instead.
Valmar Shadereaver Lost-Legion 18	Posted - 2013.01.29 22:16:00 - [27] - Quote seems like a good system it wuild also improve finding recruit's that are actualy trying to do there role's well bye checking there claimed certificat's so you know k that guy is a logistic instead of having to ask after acpeting his aplication wat role he has and what lvl equipment
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.29 23:01:00 - [28] - Quote Valmar Shadereaver wrote: seems like a good system it wuild also improve finding recruit's that are actualy trying to do there role's well bye checking there claimed certificat's so you know k that guy is a logistic instead of having to ask after acpeting his aplication wat role he has and what lvl equipment It also removes some of the questions 'wtf how is this guy pwning me so bad?' Look at his pubic view able certs and see all this skill sets are focused on tank and gank.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:09:00 - [29] - Quote Velvet Overkill wrote: This will be a good way make progressing through this game feel more rewarding, worthwhile, and fun. Lots of people will appreciate this kinda thing. My thoughts exactly.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.01 02:19:00 - [30] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Still brilliant Thank you



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