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Severus Smith
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:01:00 -
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Ok CCP I thought you were classier than this; why is the female scout wearing high heels? Yes, you are ahead of 90% of other games and chose to fully clothe your female characters. And we all know the Gallente are sluts but really... high heels? On a mobility suit? Come on.
And no, the heels aren't future tech that make them run faster. If they were I'd expect our male scouts to be wearing them too. Or for the female scouts to run faster. |
thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:51:00 -
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Good idea. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:09:00 -
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dont see the problem other issues that more important |
Vaerana Myshtana
ScIdama Endless Renaissance
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:51:00 -
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As you suggest it's a cultural thing. We Gallante can't buy shoes without high heels at any decent shop in the Federation. They just don't make them.
I was thinking of asking for the other empires to add them to their suits. My calf muscles really hurt when I try to wear Caldari stuff. I might have to file a Workers' Comp claim. |
Tarquin Markel
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:04:00 -
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Oh, God. This is a thing? A real thing?
Really?
CCP ... please, no. High heels have no more place on a battlefield than makeup does on a tank.
This is as bad as John Woo-style dual wielding. Scratch that, it's worse. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
264
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:18:00 -
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As a Gallentean male there is a reason our shops only sell high heels...
We want our wymenz to look their best! even when telling their drone hordes to murder people for the sake of their own amusement.
I for one say DOWN with the caldari and their sensible fashion!
And the amarrians? pfft robes were SOOOOO last century.
The minnies... well cant really tell their women from the men so well just let that one go. |
Severus Smith
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
163
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:39:00 -
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As a Caldari I don't want my women wearing hindering footwear. I will admire them out of battle with their armor on my floor, but while in battle the last thing I need is them tripping and falling like a model on a runway.
But you Galente can keep them, its easier to shoot someone who's fallen and can't get up... |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:45:00 -
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I have an HDTV, I sit relatively close to it. I see the game visuals with detailed clarity... and I have never noticed this.
Call me crazy but I rarely notice if a character is male or female, I'm far too occupied with actually killing/healing stuff (or with checking relevant stats in the war barge) to be bothered to notice something like this.
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Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:49:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:As a Caldari I don't want my women wearing hindering footwear. I will admire them out of battle with their armor on my floor, but while in battle the last thing I need is them tripping and falling like a model on a runway.
But you Galente can keep them, its easier to shoot someone who's fallen and can't get up... Silly Caldari. No body falls in DUST unless they are dead.
I had heard many times that Caldari Females like them Big and Stupid, now I believe. |
MrShooter01
Expert Intervention Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:09:00 -
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If it was any other race this would shatter my immersion
Male scout suit has highly detailed bionic ass that you will never unsee on your favorite dropsuit now that I have described it to you
female scout suit has high heels
cant wait to see what other violations of common sense/high fashion the rest of their dropsuit line will bring
stupid sexy gallente |
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Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:15:00 -
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Actually, almost all the dropsuits are high-heeled for females - save for the Heavy, whose suit covers any biological dimorphism with layers of armor
This happens in EVE too - every piece of female footwear in the game has a heel, and in fact her stance is the same even when not wearing shoes at all (try modifying your Incarnatar clothing in EVE to see this). Not sure what the purpose is, but I assume females get an implant that helps them maneuver just fine wearing them. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
433
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:53:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:Ok CCP I thought you were classier than this; why is the female scout wearing high heels? Yes, you are ahead of 90% of other games and chose to fully clothe your female characters. And we all know the Gallente are sluts but really... high heels? On a mobility suit? Come on.
And no, the heels aren't future tech that make them run faster. If they were I'd expect our male scouts to be wearing them too. Or for the female scouts to run faster. but they should put them on male scouts |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:26:00 -
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Never noticed any heels, but female mercs do have a pointlessly sexy walk that does look like someone in heels. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2013.01.26 13:16:00 -
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Y'know, I was just about ready to applaud CCP for finally making a trailer that prominently features a female character. Assuming this is true (I've never closely examined a scout's feet) I feel like I have to retract that. |
Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
105
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Posted - 2013.01.26 17:10:00 -
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Female scouts & assaults definitely have both high heels and the "sexxay" walk. Personally, I find it both out-of-place and hilarious because of how out-of-place it is... every time I'm on the warbarge in my sexxay assault suit a bunch of dude suits come up to check me out. |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:19:00 -
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really? bringing up this? who cares, we need to make the game better and not worry what shoes I am wearing or any other woman. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:21:00 -
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The people designing your avatars and the people getting the gameplay mechanics working aren't the same group. Getting non-sexist outfits on our female mercs won't delay getting recoil back on ARs. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.01.26 21:20:00 -
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It all boils down to hyper sexuality and our culture. What honestly pisses me off more is the birth giving hips and tig ol' bitties that round out the package. I mean really why bother on a clone intended not for reproduction, attracting a mate, or feeding young but instead for disposal in highly specialized combat. There are so many thing wrong with the whole situation. At least they got the Amarr Heavy Female model right. it looks like a dude. As all clones honestly should for the sake of combat optimization. |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.01.27 04:59:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote: but they should put them on male scouts
Ironically, the high-heeled shoe was originally invented for men. Specifically, French noblemen in their King's court during (off the top of my head, IDK exactly)... I wanna say around the mid 1700s. When something is weird, chances are it's actually even weirder than that.
History lesson over - Although it's easier to program for a single decided stance, it would be better if the women's dropsuits were tooled for function over form - your average boot can work far better than walking on 4-inch-high stilts. BTW the Scout and Assault are confirmed to use that style. Logi is hard to tell, and the Heavy might as well be a dude under all that armor. |
Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
105
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Posted - 2013.01.27 19:30:00 -
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Zat Earthshatter wrote:
History lesson over - Although it's easier to program for a single decided stance, it would be better if the women's dropsuits were tooled for function over form - your average boot can work far better than walking on 4-inch-high stilts. BTW the Scout and Assault are confirmed to use that style. Logi is hard to tell, and the Heavy might as well be a dude under all that armor.
The Heavy character models/movement are exactly identical whether the clone is a woman or man. The Logi has a female model (you can tell from the ****) but the walk is less sashaying. Tbh don't play as Logi much so I haven't seen personally, might actually be the same movement animation regardless of gender. |
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Frousch
Wolvez Pack
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Posted - 2013.01.27 21:43:00 -
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Just saying, shouldn't whether female suits should have heels be left for the women to decide? I mean, why are a load of guys complaining about what gamer girls would probably like? |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2013.01.27 21:49:00 -
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I don't see what the big deal is.
It's not like the heels block bullets or anything. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2013.01.27 22:20:00 -
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Frousch wrote:Just saying, shouldn't whether female suits should have heels be left for the women to decide? I mean, why are a load of guys complaining about what gamer girls would probably like? Because it's often not something gamer girls like. Oversexualization of female characters is an oft-studied issue with serious ramifications for gaming as a medium. This is one of the reasons why there are fewer females playing games like this, and far fewer still who are open about it. Developers are not only shooting themselves in the foot by oversexualizing their female characters, but they're making themselves and their patrons (us) look like sexist douches. |
Trevak Shi
Nephilim Fedaykin
38
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:54:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:As a Gallentean male there is a reason our shops only sell high heels...
We want our wymenz to look their best! even when telling their drone hordes to murder people for the sake of their own amusement.
I for one say DOWN with the caldari and their sensible fashion!
And the amarrians? pfft robes were SOOOOO last century.
The minnies... well cant really tell their women from the men so well just let that one go.
WOW! I don't know what to say. The overwhelming amount of continuing sexist comments and the blatant inability to see that in what it is that you are saying and posting stammers my brain. I thought we progressed. But alas, I can see that people are still attempting to perpetuate these out dated and archaic gender roles, classifications, and forms of linguistic imposition of pejorative complexes and means of marginalization.
Chew on that for a minute. |
Trevak Shi
Nephilim Fedaykin
38
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:55:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Frousch wrote:Just saying, shouldn't whether female suits should have heels be left for the women to decide? I mean, why are a load of guys complaining about what gamer girls would probably like? Because it's often not something gamer girls like. Oversexualization of female characters is an oft-studied issue with serious ramifications for gaming as a medium. This is one of the reasons why there are fewer females playing games like this, and far fewer still who are open about it. Developers are not only shooting themselves in the foot by oversexualizing their female characters, but they're making themselves and their patrons (us) look like sexist douches.
Brilliantly said. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
264
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:20:00 -
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Trevak Shi wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:As a Gallentean male there is a reason our shops only sell high heels...
We want our wymenz to look their best! even when telling their drone hordes to murder people for the sake of their own amusement.
I for one say DOWN with the caldari and their sensible fashion!
And the amarrians? pfft robes were SOOOOO last century.
The minnies... well cant really tell their women from the men so well just let that one go. WOW! I don't know what to say. The overwhelming amount of continuing sexist comments and the blatant inability to see that in what it is that you are saying and posting stammers my brain. I thought we progressed. But alas, I can see that people are still attempting to perpetuate these out dated and archaic gender roles, classifications, and forms of linguistic imposition of pejorative complexes and means of marginalization. Chew on that for a minute.
HMMM did you read my post or did you just go rawr i must white knight and make myself look good?
I was making a joke based on in game stereotypes of existing races. I do however agree that putting high heels on a combat suit is pretty much just going for man vote. I for one like the heavy female model of all of them it feels like it belongs.
The rest of the models look like they took the measurements off of models and **** stars and said yea this will do. and the weird but wiggling walks the female suits make WHY?
Well if we ever get to make our own avatars you can make them look however you want (although according to the MYTHOS we all use stock clone MALE bodies in combat) |
Trevak Shi
Nephilim Fedaykin
38
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:25:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:Trevak Shi wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:As a Gallentean male there is a reason our shops only sell high heels...
We want our wymenz to look their best! even when telling their drone hordes to murder people for the sake of their own amusement.
I for one say DOWN with the caldari and their sensible fashion!
And the amarrians? pfft robes were SOOOOO last century.
The minnies... well cant really tell their women from the men so well just let that one go. WOW! I don't know what to say. The overwhelming amount of continuing sexist comments and the blatant inability to see that in what it is that you are saying and posting stammers my brain. I thought we progressed. But alas, I can see that people are still attempting to perpetuate these out dated and archaic gender roles, classifications, and forms of linguistic imposition of pejorative complexes and means of marginalization. Chew on that for a minute. HMMM did you read my post or did you just go rawr i must white knight and make myself look good? I was making a joke based on in game stereotypes of existing races. I do however agree that putting high heels on a combat suit is pretty much just going for man vote. I for one like the heavy female model of all of them it feels like it belongs. The rest of the models look like they took the measurements off of models and **** stars and said yea this will do. and the weird but wiggling walks the female suits make WHY? Well if we ever get to make our own avatars you can make them look however you want (although according to the MYTHOS we all use stock clone MALE bodies in combat)
Fair enough. This topic was on that was brought up about a month ago and got a friend of mine banned due to the focus of said thread. It was just a bit of a poke, but your response was a pleasure to hear. |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.02.01 03:41:00 -
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I just recently did some stalking on the battle field of my fellow female soldiers, dieing a lot in the result... I did not see any high heel boots, I just saw what looked like platform boots. Now This was on the scout I saw, and I am assuming it was since high heels + sexy female scout drop suit would make sense and not on the assault drop suit. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:36:00 -
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I miss the old thread on this topic. It had much more lol factor.
And better arguments on both sides.
For example: Why do I have to be a fit, toned and muscular-looking guy with armour that emphasises my pecs and abs? Why can't I be clinically underweight, or a bulkier less-attractive physique with an Assault suit? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:40:00 -
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LOL the OP was actually right, they don't just walk like they have high heels on, but they literally have high heels. I recently noticed in the war barge. Look at the feet of the female scouts in the merc quarters. |
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137H4RGIC
WarRavens
26
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:45:00 -
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Tarquin Markel wrote:Oh, God. This is a thing? A real thing?
Really?
CCP ... please, no. High heels have no more place on a battlefield than makeup does on a tank.
This is as bad as John Woo-style dual wielding. Scratch that, it's worse. Hey, I'd love to have warpaint on my tank! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:18:00 -
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Tarquin Markel wrote:This is as bad as John Woo-style dual wielding. Scratch that, it's worse. I guess you always hated this pic then? |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
79
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Posted - 2013.02.01 11:43:00 -
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Walking in stations can have high heels when it comes out. No heels in battle, please. |
Severus Smith
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
163
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:47:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:For example: Why do I have to be a fit, toned and muscular-looking guy with armour that emphasises my pecs and abs? Why can't I be clinically underweight, or a bulkier less-attractive physique with an Assault suit? Fit, tone and muscular makes some sense though. The clones were using are genetically crafted for warfare. Hence they would be in peak physical condition. However, the emphasis on abs and pecs is a somewhat valid argument. Though, to me, I don't care as that is how the male clones body is shaped and extra armor over the arms and chest makes sense. And before you go "Well now, speaking of armored chests..." I'm focusing on the high heels when I made this thread so I'll let others start the ridiculous DD chested female scout suit thread.
High heels have no place in combat. Add in the "sexy" hip sway and it's just distracting and unnecessary oversexualization. I'm not expecting CCP to go redo the existing scout model (though that would be nice), I'm just hoping that the art department takes a moment when designing the future suit models and thinks "does this look like a combat suit made for gritty, unforgiving warfare" and leaves oversexualized armor to lower class games like TERA Online. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:05:00 -
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You guys think these huge, platform Air Jordan type things are high heels? |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
126
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:13:00 -
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OK i think this may just be a fix to a observation in general even in the military, females are of slighter build and shorter than males they just are while the characters in DUST the females are of slight build but they are ruffly the same hight with the high heels if they make them to much smaller than the male then there would be arguments that it is not balenced hell even with the slight build people argued that.
Also if you want to say the female characters are over sexualised then whats you solution make them the same hight and build as the male that is rare in reality at least it is if you are taking a traditional male soldier as the norm which DUST most likely is |
Severus Smith
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
163
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:50:00 -
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Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:OK i think this may just be a fix to a observation in general even in the military, females are of slighter build and shorter than males they just are while the characters in DUST the females are of slight build but they are ruffly the same hight with the high heels if they make them to much smaller than the male then there would be arguments that it is not balenced hell even with the slight build people argued that.
Also if you want to say the female characters are over sexualised then whats you solution make them the same hight and build as the male that is rare in reality at least it is if you are taking a traditional male soldier as the norm which DUST most likely is Wow. The first argument that has made any sense. Hit box balancing could be a reason, but I still think there are better ways to solve that. But still, good reason.
As for the "rare in reality" part. These are genetically altered clones so the females could easily be of comparable size to the men. It's not like 5' 10" is crazy tall for a woman or crazy short for a man. They could match.. without high heels. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:46:00 -
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Some people do walk like they are in heels when they aren't. I walk barefoot with my heel about 2 inches in air and I'm a guy.
The Gallente are really over-sexualized, when we get other races scouts I expect them to be more modest and smaller cup size. Only the Gallente would give engineered clone soldier breast implants. There have been cases a implant stopped a bullet, but there are better ways to armour a torso. The Caldari female seems more like a female clone soldier, and the Minmatar is hard to tell is female, I hope this trend continues with other suits. Amarr modesty could make all suits look the same, or close to it.
It would be nice if we could select the walk animation for char and gender separably. Then someone could pick a female avatar with male animation for a less sexy walk, and less hand waving. The hand motion seems more out of place then walk to me.
If the heals retracted when running, they would seem more practical, or if they were made like a shock absorber instead of solid. |
Tarquin Markel
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
85
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:42:00 -
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So ... finally got the opportunity to take a close look at some female scouts' heels (the Elizabethans would have been scandalized. Women's heels? Visible heels?), and ...
Um. They're wearing a sort of high-top shoe.
What's more, the female scout high-top shoe is nearly identical to the male assault high-top shoe.
From the overall structure, it is unclear to me whether the heel is high, the top is armored, or there's some kind of balance-- the foot is elevated a bit, but there is "extra boot" both under the heel and above the foot. This seems a bit of a stretch to describe as sexualized, particularly given how much else there is to complain about.
Being as this topic led me to expect a six-inch stiletto, I are disappoint-- and also embarrassed that I took it at face value.
If CCP didn't, say, respond to the outcry and change this in the last patch, this is a tempest in a petri dish. |
Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
90
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:48:00 -
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Of all the things that deserve to be desired and have attention brought to it.... this is one of the things chosen?
idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg |
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Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
49
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:57:00 -
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Put high heels on the male suits too. If it's good enough for the Zentraidi it's good enough for me.
Zentraedi male warrior rocking the heals
Yes, yes, yes to all the complaints about the heels. It's unnecessary and somewhat patronizing. I agree. If we had dress uniforms, well, at least then it's tradition, but on combat gear, it's silly.
But then, I'm a silly person, so I call for ALL SUITS OF BOTH GENDERS TO HAVE HIGH HEELED BOOTS! |
Kreayshawn Coruscanti
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:01:00 -
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Personally, I want higher heels |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:25:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:The minnies... well cant really tell their women from the men so well just let that one go.
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illuminati Queen
Illuminaten Orden
0
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:14:00 -
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B.F.D. |
illuminati Queen
Illuminaten Orden
0
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:18:00 -
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They need to come out with female outfit for PlayStation Home . |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
4
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Posted - 2013.04.01 01:59:00 -
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OP, why don't you go ask Raiden why does he uses high heels...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzLQMO0W9U8
Llan Heindell. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
218
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Posted - 2013.04.01 02:03:00 -
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Why would you resurrect a two month old thread just to say "big deal"? We know it's a big deal. We're all tired of sexism and male gaze in our video games. |
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