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Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:56:00 -
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hi, im trying to find some opinions on whether the HMG is to overpowered or not,
1: no its perfectly balanced leave it alone
2: Yes nerf it waaaay to op
3: relatively balanced needs a few tweaks to the distance.
vote now  be nice |
Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:57:00 -
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for my part my vote is # 1 |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:00:00 -
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its perfectly balanced dont freaking touch it.
next time you get butthurt about dying to a minigun strapped to a walking tanks arm go read the guns stats and look at your guns stats and realize that you can kill them because you have better range |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
675
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:02:00 -
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#1 leave the hmg alone!!!! It's a HEAVY MACHINE GUN so stop trying to nerf it to a pea shooter |
Cade Orion
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:07:00 -
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How can someone say that a HMG is OP'd and a Shotgun isn't?!.......HMG is a big gun and still takes alot to kill someone vs.....one shot of a shot gun.
1. it's not OP'd leave it alone. |
Hunter Junko
WARRIORS 1NC
45
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:26:00 -
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Leave the heavy alone.
nuff said |
Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
72
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:23:00 -
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I've noticed, the main problem ppl have with this game is that they kind of expect to be able to survive all situations using an AR and an assault suit.
Lets use some examples:
you get outside a building, and encounter a heavy with a HMG, what do you do?
1. Aim, shoot (while strafing ofc, because you aren't a noob) and..... wait for it..... die. So you respawn and try again the same ******* thing over and over( I've seen multiple ppl at once doing the same thing). Meanwhile the heavy is thinking "I'M THE FUCKIN' HARBINGER OF DOOM"
FAIL.
The heavy is fulfilling one of his roles; being a choke point to the enemy team ( other possible roles are: mobile
infantry suppression platform or mobile heavy Anti-Vehicle platform)
2. IF he isn't shooting ass soon as you leave the building, you shoot him to gauge his EHP (shields+armor) (ignore the shield, it's there to bait you to situation 1) then he probably gonna start shooting. After, you do a 180 and get back inside the building FAST.
Then you got 3 options:
2.a) Quite a lot of ppl run towards you if you flee (the correct phrase is "tactical withdraw") so he get into the building with
you and you can shoot him while moving between covers, so you nail him down. (It's possible you die doing this, but
that's what personal skill is for)
2.b) He doesn't come in (he's not stupid) so you shoot and hide, the HMG is quite inaccurate if you only give him 2 secs
to shoot. Plus his armor recharges a lot slower (if it does) that your shield. Rinse and repeat till he's dead.
2.c) He doesn't come into the building (or he does, but you don't feel capable of facing him)
You get the fuc* out of there and find another route to the objective.
TL;DR: heavy suits and HMG are very useful in quite a few number of situations, so when you are getting owned because you are engaging just when/where they are the strongest, you can't call em OP
TL;DR2: no, they aren't, leave em be.
PD: seriously, whats so hard in escaping a situation you can't win? Even more with the lack of nano-inyectors and the "long" spawn times of this game.
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Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United
Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:38:00 -
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Try to get some range. It's not a long range weapon, so get outside of their optimal and then gun them down. |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
79
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:16:00 -
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http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/211/415/354z1o.jpg |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:31:00 -
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@OP: option #1
@lasarte: exactly.
In one thread, a guy did the calculations and found that the HMG was only doing marginally more theoretical (read: without missing at all) DPS than the AR - if anything, the HMG might be slightly under optimal.
an HMG's best range is medium-short range - which is basically one of the more common engagement ranges. The best way to deal with that is to either back up and whittle down the Heavy with your ranged weapon, or use a shotgun Scout and get too close for him to "track" you.
Lastly, i'll say what I said in an LR thread:
If you fight against a weapon in its optimal range, "You're gonna have a bad time!" |
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NORIC verIV
DUST University
Ivy League
34
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:54:00 -
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#1 |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:04:00 -
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Cosorvin wrote:hi, im trying to find some opinions on whether the HMG is to overpowered or not, 1: No, it's perfectly balanced leave it alone You Silly Fool. 2: Yes, Nerf it. It is waaaay too OP because it whacked my pp. More than once. QQ. 3: Relatively balanced needs a few tweaks to the distance. Double the existing range and tighten the spread to the size of the human head at any range. It's just software, how hard could that be? vote now be nice I vote #1.
Now, stop being stupid or entitled. Also, quit rushing the Heavies with HMG. They will kill you. If you run into either of mine I will head shot you with my HMG. Not because of this wacky fun loving post but because I always aim for the head regardless of the weapon.
Edited your portion in the quotes, just trying to be helpful.  |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:05:00 -
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#1
Leave my baby alone. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:07:00 -
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So done with these posts. Wtf has our forums turned into? **** it Nerf the whole damn game. Nerf scrambler pistols, Nerf hmg, Nerf AR's, Nerf LR's, Nerf drop ships, Nerf mass drivers, Nerf tanks, Nerf tank turrets, Nerf grenades, Nerf shotguns, Nerf snipers, Nerf forge guns, Nerf missiles, Nerf smg.
Good now that everything is nerfed and plays exactly like it did before just less action packed and more ******, can we please move on? |
Barnabas Wrex
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:11:00 -
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Yes, if you stand in front of it! |
Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:06:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:So done with these posts. Wtf has our forums turned into? **** it Nerf the whole damn game. Nerf scrambler pistols, Nerf hmg, Nerf AR's, Nerf LR's, Nerf drop ships, Nerf mass drivers, Nerf tanks, Nerf tank turrets, Nerf grenades, Nerf shotguns, Nerf snipers, Nerf forge guns, Nerf missiles, Nerf smg.
Good now that everything is nerfed and plays exactly like it did before just less action packed and more ******, can we please move on?
To be clear im not calling for a nerf. im actually AGAINST the nerf big time. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:11:00 -
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Cosorvin wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:So done with these posts. Wtf has our forums turned into? **** it Nerf the whole damn game. Nerf scrambler pistols, Nerf hmg, Nerf AR's, Nerf LR's, Nerf drop ships, Nerf mass drivers, Nerf tanks, Nerf tank turrets, Nerf grenades, Nerf shotguns, Nerf snipers, Nerf forge guns, Nerf missiles, Nerf smg.
Good now that everything is nerfed and plays exactly like it did before just less action packed and more ******, can we please move on? To be clear im not calling for a nerf. im actually AGAINST the nerf big time. BS. Pure and simple. You only say that now after your QQ party got dumped on.
Retro fitting your intentions is shabby behavior.
If you were against it this is the worst possible way to establish that fact. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:13:00 -
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it's too cheap for what it does. a heavy has a ton of health and only costs a fraction, along with the guns. make them represent the cost of their roll on the battlefield.
they are walking tanks they should cost the same. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:00:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:it's too cheap for what it does. a heavy has a ton of health and only costs a fraction, along with the guns. make them represent the cost of their roll on the battlefield.
they are walking tanks they should cost the same.
they already cost 3x a freaking assault fit of comparable level and die easy. shut it.
#1. Leave the HMG alone. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:04:00 -
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Certain members of the AR line (not an HMG) were OP'ed a build ago. The HMG is not.
On and in case anyone is wondering I don't play Heavy, but the HMG functions within it's proper battlefied role and doesn't hold much utility outside of it, hence it fills it's role within the "rock, scissors, paper" paradigm of D514 and thus is not OP'ed.
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Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:49:00 -
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Thranx1231 wrote:Cosorvin wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:So done with these posts. Wtf has our forums turned into? **** it Nerf the whole damn game. Nerf scrambler pistols, Nerf hmg, Nerf AR's, Nerf LR's, Nerf drop ships, Nerf mass drivers, Nerf tanks, Nerf tank turrets, Nerf grenades, Nerf shotguns, Nerf snipers, Nerf forge guns, Nerf missiles, Nerf smg.
Good now that everything is nerfed and plays exactly like it did before just less action packed and more ******, can we please move on? To be clear im not calling for a nerf. im actually AGAINST the nerf big time. BS. Pure and simple. You only say that now after your QQ party got dumped on. Retro fitting your intentions is shabby behavior. If you were against it this is the worst possible way to establish that fact.
Im trying to get the devs attention that we do not want the HMG nerfed. |
Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:50:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:it's too cheap for what it does. a heavy has a ton of health and only costs a fraction, along with the guns. make them represent the cost of their roll on the battlefield.
they are walking tanks they should cost the same.
they all cost the same. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:54:00 -
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#3 |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:37:00 -
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#1
scrubs near to learn how to flank and dodge. |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:39:00 -
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leave it alone
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Romilous Kashenti
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:22:00 -
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Cosorvin wrote:hi, im trying to find some opinions on whether the HMG is to overpowered or not, 1: no its perfectly balanced leave it alone 2: Yes nerf it waaaay to op 3: relatively balanced needs a few tweaks to the distance. vote now be nice
3: i think they need to take that accuracy down or something. it's crazy how fast you're rapped with that crap anymore. It used to be fine when the closed beta first came out.. not it's like.. CLEARLY over powered.
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Floyd20 Azizora
DUST University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:01:00 -
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slight accuracy debuff, maybe a small damage debuff. its a little too good at range for such a big gun right now. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
BetaMax.
33
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:22:00 -
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HMG are ok in general. Burst version need graphic indicator(same as Forge Gun)telling "when another burst will be ready to be fired" and that's it.
Beside that, AR are way more useful on this maps - HMG are strong in narrow corridors - when CCP implement buildings, HMG will become most wanted weapon. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.01.27 03:07:00 -
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As a heavy, the only thing I can say that could use a nerf is the time it takes to overheat. Been playing as a heavy for a couple months now, and I literally only over heated twice. 1 time I was trying the Advanced Burst HMG to see how long it takes to over heat...that's it.
Range, like any other weapon needs sharpshooter. Dmg is low, but at a high ROF, but also with a huge dispersion so plenty of the bullets miss at range.
It does what it suppose to do. It's a Heavy Machine Gun, designed for CQC. |
SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2013.01.27 03:11:00 -
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1. Heavies are balanced.
If you have trouble taking out Heavies, try flux grenades w/ mass driver. They'll never know what hit them. |
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