DUST Search - [VOTING] Community opinion about the laser rifle

Gunner Nightingale wrote:

Wow talking about a totally loaded poll. Next time you make a voting poll that you are serious about and not just trolling people with why dont you properly address the various arguments at debate.

Many players including myself have hesitated to call the LR OP instead carefully choosing the term unbalanced and sought a "tweak"

We have time and time said again it needs either

A change in the heatup mechanics

A reduction in effective range

A change in its damage output at the higher end models(Viziam)

Instead of an all or none response which yes it sucks that CCP "MAY" be going that way why dont you actually address the legit reasons behind LR threads and not the all or none BS.

We dont want LR's nerfed to the point of uselessness any more than you do, especially me since i know the rage will soon turn on my MD. Which ive personally gone out of my way to offer up "minor" tweaks and suggestions regarding ROF, splash damage(not radius change) and the possibility of switching the operation and proficiency skills.

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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:10:00 - [1] - Quote There is appearently alot of discussion going on the forum. So lets democracy speek and do it like the devs. Im going to post 2 more replies to this. #1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now) #2 Nerf Laser Rifles (they are insanely overpowered nerf it) Just give a "like" to the option you want to become true. Ive tried to argue, i tried to point the drawbacks, well now its time to let the community decide what should happend. Edit: after you "liked" it post a comment to keep this topic alive.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:10:00 - [2] - Quote #1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now)
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:11:00 - [3] - Quote #2 Nerf Laser Rifles (they are insanely overpowered nerf it)
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 335	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:13:00 - [4] - Quote So I guess we can expect a vote now everytime something is about to get change / is changed. Awesome.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:13:00 - [5] - Quote remove the bits in parenthesis, it makes the poll look biased.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:14:00 - [6] - Quote #3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:15:00 - [7] - Quote WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO NERFs AND QQ AS A COMMUNITY. I've seen too many games destroyed by people who spend more time on forums and are better at forum trolling than playing the game. With the pace the nerf bat is swinging Dust is turning into yet another bland CoD/BF/Halo copy - and frankly it can't compete there, and it shouldn't. Dust, like EVE, has its niche - team combat with rock/paper/scissors classes. If we nerf every weapon to have the same range, damage, clip size, etc., there's no variability or depth to gameplay. STOP WITH THE KITTEN NERFS
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 463	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:16:00 - [8] - Quote Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:21:00 - [9] - Quote Not overpowered, but the advanced needs to be differentiated further from the standard to make it worth it; they're almost identical in stats. Could be solved by a 1.5 point damage nerf to standard, and 1.5 point damage buff to advanced LRs. Before saying something is OP, consider that a standard basic variant AR does 775 damage in 2 seconds of firing. EDIT: Democracy is worthless without an informed populous. Only those who have been on both ends of a weapon are fit to have their opinions seriously considered in a vote.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:30:00 - [10] - Quote #1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now)

Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:31:00 - [11] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO NERFs AND QQ AS A COMMUNITY. I've seen too many games destroyed by people who spend more time on forums and are better at forum trolling than playing the game. With the pace the nerf bat is swinging Dust is turning into yet another bland CoD/BF/Halo copy - and frankly it can't compete there, and it shouldn't. Dust, like EVE, has its niche - team combat with rock/paper/scissors classes. If we nerf every weapon to have the same range, damage, clip size, etc., there's no variability or depth to gameplay. STOP WITH THE KITTEN NERFS Agreed I dont want this to turn into the CoD rule "He who shoots first will win even if the guy has rapid fire"
SoTa PoP Clone Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:32:00 - [12] - Quote Everyone is stealing my voting idea these days. Knew I should of copy righted after Maken did it.
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:33:00 - [13] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: #3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor. Poll was missing this 3rd option. Tweak.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:33:00 - [14] - Quote You did this wrong. There is no moderate option. You can't just say NERF IT HARDZZ or leave it alone, that's what CCP has been doing all along. You have to provide at least a few different options in the moderate category.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:35:00 - [15] - Quote Sytonis Auran wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: #3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor. Poll was missing this 3rd option. Tweak. technically speaking thats classified as a nerf too.
birdog's duster Nevec Task Force Orbis Imperialis 13	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:35:00 - [16] - Quote I love laser rifles, they are an amazing beacon for zeroing my sniper rifle. The same as my tracers are a beacon for sensor damping shotty scouts. Adapt and overcome, I like to play solo and snipe atm but if lasers are ripping your squads to bit send in snipers, if it's snipers send in the dampers, shotty scouts kill heavies, there are av fits, come on guys there are limitless options. Strategy is key in this game, use your brain as well as your fingers.
Mars El'Theran Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness 52	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:37:00 - [17] - Quote I imagine lasers will be less OP when the resistances are brought in. As is though.. they cut through like a hot knife in butter. They can wildly stray and only strafe across you twice and you're done.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:39:00 - [18] - Quote i have a thread like this going in the requests section sorry if you think im spamming i just want to get people to get involved with it so that ccp will take notice ive been in the beta since pre-e3 and after all this nerfing its time that i felt that we the experienced vets who actually know about this game came together and voiced our opinions in one unified whole so that ccp will listen to us over the newberries who are making this game a CoD clone
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 217	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:39:00 - [19] - Quote Wow talking about a totally loaded poll. Next time you make a voting poll that you are serious about and not just trolling people with why dont you properly address the various arguments at debate. Many players including myself have hesitated to call the LR OP instead carefully choosing the term unbalanced and sought a "tweak" We have time and time said again it needs either A change in the heatup mechanics A reduction in effective range A change in its damage output at the higher end models(Viziam) Instead of an all or none response which yes it sucks that CCP "MAY" be going that way why dont you actually address the legit reasons behind LR threads and not the all or none BS. We dont want LR's nerfed to the point of uselessness any more than you do, especially me since i know the rage will soon turn on my MD. Which ive personally gone out of my way to offer up "minor" tweaks and suggestions regarding ROF, splash damage(not radius change) and the possibility of switching the operation and proficiency skills.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 433	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:40:00 - [20] - Quote Mars El'Theran wrote: I imagine lasers will be less OP when the resistances are brought in. As is though.. they cut through like a hot knife in butter. They can wildly stray and only strafe across you twice and you're done. yea but there going to nerf them first then add resistance- just like they did to the dropship, nerfed the dropship while buffing AV = double nerf/overkill

The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:42:00 - [21] - Quote slap26 wrote: Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are. well if i could make a proper poll within the posting options like on other forums then i would do it. But because there is no other way im forced to do it that way. And the only way to save a weapon which is in my opinion balanced is to make a vote. We saw to many overkill nerfs in the past. This needs to stop right here.
Integral Zan IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 46	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:49:00 - [22] - Quote lol so biased I vote option #3: tweak ftw
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 433	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:50:00 - [23] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Wow talking about a totally loaded poll. Next time you make a voting poll that you are serious about and not just trolling people with why dont you properly address the various arguments at debate. Many players including myself have hesitated to call the LR OP instead carefully choosing the term unbalanced and sought a "tweak" We have time and time said again it needs either A change in the heatup mechanics A reduction in effective range A change in its damage output at the higher end models(Viziam) Instead of an all or none response which yes it sucks that CCP "MAY" be going that way why dont you actually address the legit reasons behind LR threads and not the all or none BS. We dont want LR's nerfed to the point of uselessness any more than you do, especially me since i know the rage will soon turn on my MD. Which ive personally gone out of my way to offer up "minor" tweaks and suggestions regarding ROF, splash damage(not radius change) and the possibility of switching the operation and proficiency skills. and since they got lasers nerfed they will demand MD nerf because some ppl have learned 2 kill with it, even tho the average MD user gets mostly assist, the ppl that are experts with it will be made to suffer, it will be nerfed in typical CCP fashion with a sludgehammer
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:51:00 - [24] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: #3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor. I like this. I'm fine with getting my shields instantly stripped off of me, but the damage should be toned down against armor. Not saying that laser should become strictly anti-shield weapons but they shouldn't be hybrid weapons.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:51:00 - [25] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: i have a thread like this going in the requests section sorry if you think im spamming i just want to get people to get involved with it so that ccp will take notice ive been in the beta since pre-e3 and after all this nerfing its time that i felt that we the experienced vets who actually know about this game came together and voiced our opinions in one unified whole so that ccp will listen to us over the newberries who are making this game a CoD clone Would you mind if you vets also protest about the kitty nerfing whinings?
The Loathing The Southern Legion 21	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:52:00 - [26] - Quote Besides, Likes mean crap all on here these days, kind of like Facebook Friends... Moving on. I HATE being on the receiving end of Laser Rifles. The mongrels who wield them are the biggest pain in my ***. However, just because I don't like them, does not mean they should be nerfed. If something happens to them it's going to mean the users are going to drop them, cutting the versatility on the Battlefield. They are NOT an easy weapon to wield, or else EVERYONE would use them. But, like the Mass Driver, those who have had the patience to hone their skills into it should be rewarded with an effective weapon. I think I'd go off the deep end if the majority of the community started calling for nerfs on my Mass Driver. It takes some practice to learn trajectory, just like it takes practice to wield the laser rifle.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.01.25 23:53:00 - [27] - Quote Lasers are fine, AR users please learn tactics instead of pull trigger and shoot, you guys Nerf way to much that doesn't fit around the AR world. Please read my post on LR's here a few down from the top https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53357&find=unread
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2013.01.26 00:05:00 - [28] - Quote slap26 wrote: Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are. Like farming is Yay Adski's "Choo Choo" thread. this seems like a legitimate poll to me.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.26 01:32:00 - [29] - Quote Nerf them. Damage is fine Range is fine Overheating needs to be more obvious a risk. Even the prototype should overheat if used long enough. More ammo in the clip along with a system where the longer you charge it the faster it overheard would fix them, imo. Also full skills plus officer laser should be the only case where overheating is impossible Actually in my real opinion , I would take ammo off the laser alltogether. Make the reload instead how you vent heat. Make it so heat doesnt go away untill you press reload. This way even officer lasers would overheat . Also no clip size just, pew pew. Lasers in eve online don't use ammo
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:23:00 - [30] - Quote I would love to vote but I've never used a laser gun so I wouldn't know what I was talking about (not a dig at anyone I swear )



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