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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:10:00 -
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There is appearently alot of discussion going on the forum. So lets democracy speek and do it like the devs. Im going to post 2 more replies to this. #1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now) #2 Nerf Laser Rifles (they are insanely overpowered nerf it)
Just give a "like" to the option you want to become true. Ive tried to argue, i tried to point the drawbacks, well now its time to let the community decide what should happend.
Edit: after you "liked" it post a comment to keep this topic alive. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:10:00 -
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#1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now) |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:11:00 -
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#2 Nerf Laser Rifles (they are insanely overpowered nerf it)
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Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:13:00 -
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So I guess we can expect a vote now everytime something is about to get change / is changed. Awesome. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:13:00 -
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remove the bits in parenthesis, it makes the poll look biased. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:14:00 -
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#3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:15:00 -
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WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO NERFs AND QQ AS A COMMUNITY. I've seen too many games destroyed by people who spend more time on forums and are better at forum trolling than playing the game.
With the pace the nerf bat is swinging Dust is turning into yet another bland CoD/BF/Halo copy - and frankly it can't compete there, and it shouldn't. Dust, like EVE, has its niche - team combat with rock/paper/scissors classes. If we nerf every weapon to have the same range, damage, clip size, etc., there's no variability or depth to gameplay.
STOP WITH THE KITTEN NERFS |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
463
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:16:00 -
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Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:21:00 -
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Not overpowered, but the advanced needs to be differentiated further from the standard to make it worth it; they're almost identical in stats. Could be solved by a 1.5 point damage nerf to standard, and 1.5 point damage buff to advanced LRs.
Before saying something is OP, consider that a standard basic variant AR does 775 damage in 2 seconds of firing.
EDIT: Democracy is worthless without an informed populous. Only those who have been on both ends of a weapon are fit to have their opinions seriously considered in a vote. |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:30:00 -
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#1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now) |
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Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:31:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO NERFs AND QQ AS A COMMUNITY. I've seen too many games destroyed by people who spend more time on forums and are better at forum trolling than playing the game.
With the pace the nerf bat is swinging Dust is turning into yet another bland CoD/BF/Halo copy - and frankly it can't compete there, and it shouldn't. Dust, like EVE, has its niche - team combat with rock/paper/scissors classes. If we nerf every weapon to have the same range, damage, clip size, etc., there's no variability or depth to gameplay.
STOP WITH THE KITTEN NERFS
Agreed I dont want this to turn into the CoD rule "He who shoots first will win even if the guy has rapid fire" |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:32:00 -
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Everyone is stealing my voting idea these days. Knew I should of copy righted after Maken did it. |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:33:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:#3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor.
Poll was missing this 3rd option. Tweak. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:33:00 -
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You did this wrong. There is no moderate option. You can't just say NERF IT HARDZZ or leave it alone, that's what CCP has been doing all along. You have to provide at least a few different options in the moderate category. |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:35:00 -
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Sytonis Auran wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:#3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor. Poll was missing this 3rd option. Tweak.
technically speaking thats classified as a nerf too. |
birdog's duster
Nevec Task Force Orbis Imperialis
13
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:35:00 -
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I love laser rifles, they are an amazing beacon for zeroing my sniper rifle. The same as my tracers are a beacon for sensor damping shotty scouts. Adapt and overcome, I like to play solo and snipe atm but if lasers are ripping your squads to bit send in snipers, if it's snipers send in the dampers, shotty scouts kill heavies, there are av fits, come on guys there are limitless options. Strategy is key in this game, use your brain as well as your fingers. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:37:00 -
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I imagine lasers will be less OP when the resistances are brought in. As is though.. they cut through like a hot knife in butter. They can wildly stray and only strafe across you twice and you're done. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:39:00 -
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i have a thread like this going in the requests section
sorry if you think im spamming i just want to get people to get involved with it so that ccp will take notice
ive been in the beta since pre-e3 and after all this nerfing its time that i felt that we the experienced vets who actually know about this game came together and voiced our opinions in one unified whole so that ccp will listen to us over the newberries who are making this game a CoD clone |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
217
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:39:00 -
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Wow talking about a totally loaded poll. Next time you make a voting poll that you are serious about and not just trolling people with why dont you properly address the various arguments at debate.
Many players including myself have hesitated to call the LR OP instead carefully choosing the term unbalanced and sought a "tweak"
We have time and time said again it needs either
A change in the heatup mechanics
A reduction in effective range
A change in its damage output at the higher end models(Viziam)
Instead of an all or none response which yes it sucks that CCP "MAY" be going that way why dont you actually address the legit reasons behind LR threads and not the all or none BS.
We dont want LR's nerfed to the point of uselessness any more than you do, especially me since i know the rage will soon turn on my MD. Which ive personally gone out of my way to offer up "minor" tweaks and suggestions regarding ROF, splash damage(not radius change) and the possibility of switching the operation and proficiency skills.
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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
433
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:40:00 -
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Mars El'Theran wrote:I imagine lasers will be less OP when the resistances are brought in. As is though.. they cut through like a hot knife in butter. They can wildly stray and only strafe across you twice and you're done.
yea but there going to nerf them first then add resistance- just like they did to the dropship, nerfed the dropship while buffing AV = double nerf/overkill |
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:42:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are. well if i could make a proper poll within the posting options like on other forums then i would do it. But because there is no other way im forced to do it that way. And the only way to save a weapon which is in my opinion balanced is to make a vote. We saw to many overkill nerfs in the past. This needs to stop right here. |
Integral Zan
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:49:00 -
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lol so biased
I vote option #3: tweak ftw |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
433
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:50:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Wow talking about a totally loaded poll. Next time you make a voting poll that you are serious about and not just trolling people with why dont you properly address the various arguments at debate.
Many players including myself have hesitated to call the LR OP instead carefully choosing the term unbalanced and sought a "tweak"
We have time and time said again it needs either
A change in the heatup mechanics
A reduction in effective range
A change in its damage output at the higher end models(Viziam)
Instead of an all or none response which yes it sucks that CCP "MAY" be going that way why dont you actually address the legit reasons behind LR threads and not the all or none BS.
We dont want LR's nerfed to the point of uselessness any more than you do, especially me since i know the rage will soon turn on my MD. Which ive personally gone out of my way to offer up "minor" tweaks and suggestions regarding ROF, splash damage(not radius change) and the possibility of switching the operation and proficiency skills.
and since they got lasers nerfed they will demand MD nerf because some ppl have learned 2 kill with it, even tho the average MD user gets mostly assist, the ppl that are experts with it will be made to suffer, it will be nerfed in typical CCP fashion with a sludgehammer
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
70
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:51:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:#3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor.
I like this.
I'm fine with getting my shields instantly stripped off of me, but the damage should be toned down against armor. Not saying that laser should become strictly anti-shield weapons but they shouldn't be hybrid weapons. |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:51:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:i have a thread like this going in the requests section
sorry if you think im spamming i just want to get people to get involved with it so that ccp will take notice
ive been in the beta since pre-e3 and after all this nerfing its time that i felt that we the experienced vets who actually know about this game came together and voiced our opinions in one unified whole so that ccp will listen to us over the newberries who are making this game a CoD clone
Would you mind if you vets also protest about the kitty nerfing whinings? |
The Loathing
The Southern Legion
21
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:52:00 -
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Besides, Likes mean crap all on here these days, kind of like Facebook Friends...
Moving on. I HATE being on the receiving end of Laser Rifles. The mongrels who wield them are the biggest pain in my ***. However, just because I don't like them, does not mean they should be nerfed. If something happens to them it's going to mean the users are going to drop them, cutting the versatility on the Battlefield.
They are NOT an easy weapon to wield, or else EVERYONE would use them. But, like the Mass Driver, those who have had the patience to hone their skills into it should be rewarded with an effective weapon. I think I'd go off the deep end if the majority of the community started calling for nerfs on my Mass Driver. It takes some practice to learn trajectory, just like it takes practice to wield the laser rifle. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:53:00 -
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Lasers are fine, AR users please learn tactics instead of pull trigger and shoot, you guys Nerf way to much that doesn't fit around the AR world.
Please read my post on LR's here a few down from the top
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53357&find=unread |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:05:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are. Like farming is Yay Adski's "Choo Choo" thread. this seems like a legitimate poll to me. |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:32:00 -
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Nerf them.
Damage is fine Range is fine Overheating needs to be more obvious a risk. Even the prototype should overheat if used long enough. More ammo in the clip along with a system where the longer you charge it the faster it overheard would fix them, imo. Also full skills plus officer laser should be the only case where overheating is impossible
Actually in my real opinion , I would take ammo off the laser alltogether. Make the reload instead how you vent heat. Make it so heat doesnt go away untill you press reload. This way even officer lasers would overheat . Also no clip size just, pew pew. Lasers in eve online don't use ammo |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:23:00 -
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I would love to vote but I've never used a laser gun so I wouldn't know what I was talking about (not a dig at anyone I swear ) |
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Enkidu Camuel
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:31:00 -
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I'll vote for #1, but the Viziam needs a tweak. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:32:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:You did this wrong. There is no moderate option. You can't just say NERF IT HARDZZ or leave it alone, that's what CCP has been doing all along. You have to provide at least a few different options in the moderate category.
Why would there be a moderate option when we all know good and well that CCP doesn't nerf moderately? The realistic options are represented by "don't nerf" and "nerf". |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:37:00 -
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Perhaps its my 300 shield build, but I have not been killed by a laser rifle 1v1 in any of the matches I have played. Its one of the least scary gun in the game for me. I feel bad for people trying to use it on me at long range. Tac rifles are much superior for long range damage. I am assuming laser users can't handle the tac rifle recoil. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:38:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:You did this wrong. There is no moderate option. You can't just say NERF IT HARDZZ or leave it alone, that's what CCP has been doing all along. You have to provide at least a few different options in the moderate category. Why would there be a moderate option when we all know good and well that CCP doesn't nerf moderately? The realistic options are represented by "don't nerf" and "nerf".
Truth, CCP drops Nerf Hammer's, not rainbows. If the Nerf hammer goes on the LR it will kill it, so keep the way it is or just please remove it from game. These Nerf QQ posts are going crazy and simply need to stop.
IMO our first build was great in terms of balance, there were tweaks needed here and there yes, but damn it look at the mess of a game as far as balance goes on almost everything due to this crap. Knock it off dudes, grow a pair and play the game, get skill and try something other then AR before you cry please CCP gods Nerf it. |
Lavirac JR
DUST University Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:41:00 -
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Laser Rifles are fine the way they are. If you run a long distance away at a LR user in an open field, yes you deserve to die. Use cover people, quit the Rambo BS. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.26 12:30:00 -
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why did this went to feedback and request? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.01.26 12:35:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:#1 Dont nerf laser rifles (they are fine how they are now)
Its has to be this option
We do not see laser rifles that much
I have a laser rifle fit but its only for certain situations which involve long distance not too mention that it requires half a clip it seems to get to a decent amount of damage and the rest of the clip to finish the guy off
The basic laser overheats at about 80% of the clip but the 80% is needed to kill someone anyways so ther is the pay off and i rarely get 2 kills with it in 1 beam unless they are low on health
Overall the AR can do a better all round job compared to the laser so it makes the laser rifle a specialized weapon of sorts and one that you only bring out on certain maps or in certain situations |
Crazy Mistah Jay
Prima Gallicus
11
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Posted - 2013.01.27 21:05:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:#3 Tweak lasers to do less damage to armor just like Mass Drivers do less to shields. Make it about 40% less efficient to armor.
+ 1 very good efficiency against shields, but less efficiency than a shotgun (or HMG) against Armor ; i think a weapon who are very very good against shiel can't have very good use against armor, that desequilibrate the game, and it's the same thing with other weapons (like the hybrid weapons like Assault Rifles, they have the same efficiency against shield and armor, but not very good against shields and armor at all, because they have the same efficiency against both). |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.01.27 21:48:00 -
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I can't realy say I see the LR all the time or it is any different than a AR in being able to kill people from mid range, and sniper rifles are defiantly the primary snipers that can one shot you. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
133
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:14:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:slap26 wrote:Me thinks that someone is farming likes, but Lasers are fine where they are. Like farming is Yay Adski's "Choo Choo" thread. this seems like a legitimate poll to me. You actually think that thread was serious and I was actually trying to get "likes" LOL. Obviously you didn't see the real reason behind it |
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:34:00 -
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its fine |
Carl Hauser 2100381593
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:42:00 -
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crazy space 2100046106 wrote:Nerf them.
Damage is fine Range is fine Overheating needs to be more obvious a risk. Even the prototype should overheat if used long enough. More ammo in the clip along with a system where the longer you charge it the faster it overheard would fix them, imo. Also full skills plus officer laser should be the only case where overheating is impossible
Actually in my real opinion , I would take ammo off the laser alltogether. Make the reload instead how you vent heat. Make it so heat doesnt go away untill you press reload. This way even officer lasers would overheat . Also no clip size just, pew pew. Lasers in eve online don't use ammo
I kinda like this, but I would prefer a handling similar to shields. So you have some kind of battery instead of a clip. When you start firing the energy goes done, when you stop firing there is a small delay before it starts to recover (maybe a bigger delay if you completely empty your battery). I guess this could work well. |
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