The HMG is very inaccurate when you first start firing it, so you miss a lot of your bullets, and then once it finally becomes accurate it starts getting heaps of recoil and overheats.

Why is everyone against it getting more accurate the longer it's fired? Assault rifles are accurate he moment you fire them AND have no overheat, yet I don't see anyone complaining about that. (as an example.)

I'd like to see you guys "spray and pray" at range where most of your bullets miss while dealing with considerable recoil and stopping your gun from overheating.

People are just butthurt because heavies absolutely demolish them when they think they can just stand still in the open and take on a heavy. Heavies turn slowy and it's actually incredibly easy to out strafe us if your good at this game.

Lolz, the assault HMG does less damage than the regular HMG. If you truly believe that the assault HMG is better than the AR at 75 meters I don't know what to say.

Besides that, I think the HMG does very little damage outside it's optimal range.

The AR starts violently shaking after only 2-3 seconds of constant fire, and the accuracy goes to near useless very quickly. Going up against a heavy at range with a gun that becomes useless after only a second or two, and trying to take down a massive amount of health, rarely works in our favor.

The only way to somewhat quickly dispose of a heavy, is to get in optimal range with an AR, which also happens to be well within the HMG's range too. Even if their bullets are reduced damage due to range, they have 2-4x's the health and can fire 2-3x's the amount of bullets (with a gun that gets more accurate with constant fire vs a gun that gets less accurate with constant fire).

We can debate the perfect scenario assumptions all we want, but I have plenty of experience against heavies and know that I rarely have the upper hand as an AR player. Based on the HMG's ability to instantly waste somebody in ideal range mixed with the massive health of heavies, you guys are the ones that need to be in the minority when it comes to having the upper hand, because your character was designed to take that kind of abuse.




Oh please, yet another person making the heavies out to be the victims. I've said it before and will reiterate, if it is so hard and miserable to play as a heavy, then why are they absolutely dominating the game right now? If they have so many weaknesses and fatal flaws, then why do they usually always end up at the top of the leaderboards? (in-match, and main).

The proof is in the pudding, heavies cannot deny they are massively OP right now in regards to the HMG. I know you guys want to keep your OP weapon for easy kills, but this is killing the games balance.

I play both assault and heavy and yeah the HMGs have quite the range that they can reach out too but they're not very ACCURATE at long range. When I say that, I mean the grouping that I can pull off with bullets isn't very impressive. Sure, it has an accuracy rating slightly higher than the ARs but the zooming mechanics are completely different for the two weapons, when you zoom in with the AR and shoot your grouping is going to be a lot better than if you did with the HMG. For that reason I disagree, the HMG is not more accurate than the ARs.

Often I spawn on the outskirts of an area without much cover and get stuck against an assault at medium to long range that's behind cover where I can only see their head. Now yeah, the HMGs bullets CAN reach that far, but it's too small of a target at that range with that huge circle for it to be effective. With an AR I could nail his head at a constant rate and kill him.

I do think that the HMGs reach out a bit far though and I feel like a few of these maps are almost too heavy suit based. Basically making it so easy to walk around from objective to objective without having much concern about being out of range. Nothing more irritating IMO than playing a heavily CQC based map against an organized team that has 6+ heavies and a few logistics. *shiver*

Leukoplast sounds to me like your just awful with an assault rifle. I go against guys like the Imperfects, they seem to have no trouble taking down heavies.

And have you ever considered we're topping the leader boards as heavies because we're good at DUST? If you spent less time whining and bitching on the forums and actually played the game maybe you'd be better. Since the first day you made a post on here you've done nothing but cry about everything, so stop being a care bear and man up.

An organised team of Mass drivers and Logistics? not sure where mass drivers fall on the OP list but they are for me the most annoying weapon in the game.....(note to people.... annoying =/= OP)

Huh? I said an organized team of heavies and logistics. Heavies usually having HMGs.

Leukoplast sounds to me like your just awful with an assault rifle. I go against guys like the Imperfects, they seem to have no trouble taking down heavies.

And have you ever considered we're topping the leader boards as heavies because we're good at DUST? If you spent less time whining and bitching on the forums and actually played the game maybe you'd be better. Since the first day you made a post on here you've done nothing but cry about everything, so stop being a care bear and man up.

so everyone on top of the leader boards is in heavies?
sounds like a game bias to me.

Did a test today with some corp mates in the back of the base just to see how HMG's vary from AR's. The results are both surprising and somewhat disturbing.

A basic HMG has a max range of 63 meters with level 1 heavy sharpshooter
An assaul HMG has a max range of 85 meters with level 1 heavy sharpshooter
A basic AR has a max range of 88 meters with level 1 light sharpshooter

In case you are wondering how I got the range I was shooting at, you can get these stats by checking the information that pops up at the center bottom of your screen when you aim your crosshair at people (including teammates.)

So, basically, a assault HMG has the same range as an AR. 3 meters difference. This is insanely imbalanced. An HMG is supposed to be great at close range, fair at mid range, useless at long range. But with this kind of range, it's just as deadly at mid range as it is at close range, and more deadly than an AR at any range that both weapons can reach due to the 2000 RPM that the HMG puts out. Anyone within 50 meters of an HMG , or 75 meters of an assault HMG can get mowed down by it just as easily as if they were point blank.

But you may say "but the HMG is far less accurate than the AR! It's bullet spread more than makes up for this!" Not true. The most accurate AR in the marketplace, the Allotek Burst AR, has an accuracy rating of 59.0. All HMG's except for the burst variants have an accuracy rating of 61.5, which makes them MORE ACCURATE THAN AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Yes, for about a quarter of a second, while the HMG is spinning up, the HMG spreads quite wildly. But after about a second of constant firing it has become more accurate than any assault rifle you can buy. And if you are using the assault variant, you can virtually reach just as far as any AR with the same skill level in sharpshooter (as I said, the AR is 3 meters further).

So, in summary, the HMG has virtually the same range as the AR, fires off 1250 more RPM, and has a greater accuracy rating than the top AR's on the market. This is too much for a weapon with such high damage output.

So now, let's hear the heavies start trying to convince me that the HMG isn't imbalanced. I welcome any legitimate responses.

28000 DPM with the assault HMG
23250 DPM with the basic AR

It's math, genius. Just because the assault HMG does less than the basic HMG doesn't mean the assault HMG does less than the AR.

EDIT: And the optimal range is about 75 meters with the assault HMG, as I posted above. AR is at 78.

EDIT 2: and just for the record, basic HMG is 32000 DPM

Looks 2 me like those HMG's need to be nerved down. This is clear as daylight and will happen sooner rather than later.

The HMG is unbelievably unbalanced. the fact that even compete with a AR at mid range is a complete joke.

Its CQC weapon enough said