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Purple Creeper
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:42:00 -
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So I want to start a real thread about this. Here are my thoughts from the first topic which was locked indefinitely:
As someone who has lost several well-built tanks to OBs, I don't like being torched by magically placed beams of destruction with imaginary points.
I wouldn't be annoyed if I at least knew the OB came from an EVE ship hanging in orbit 100% of the times I get striked. A little effort and coordination to match what I put into driving tanks.
Right now they seem over used and unrealistic. They literally appear from nowhere, come from nothing, and destroy everything. Gay.
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Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:49:00 -
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They come from the war barge. They take coordination to reach the WP required to call it in. Problem?
The alert time is a little short, but other than that, they're fine. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:56:00 -
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Explosions are overpowered. The U.N. needs to nerf artillery.
On a more serious note: the idea that EVE ships can rain horror and death upon thee is ENTIRELY the point behind precision strikes. The warbarge strikes are weak. A tank can survive those. Not so much when an EVE Destroyer starts the gigglemurder fun task of firing antimatter or MASERs at you.
This was a selling point for the whole game, Being able to call down the finger of God in the form of orbital bombardment is something people have been WANTING in DUST.
And if my heavy suit with an assault Forge can melt your tank down for scrap, I'm fairly certain the amarr ship in orbit can melt your tank with his gigawatt laser with impunity. |
Purple Creeper
Onslaught Inc
3
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:57:00 -
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What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:02:00 -
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Purple Creeper wrote:What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield.
The warbarge that's in orbit for each side on the battlefield. Ever notice how all the people you see on the barge prior to the start are blue and all on your teams list? Guess what, for the other side there is a barge in orbit that they're walking around in and seeing the sites. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:03:00 -
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Purple Creeper wrote:What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield.
We're still in beta, and most EVE players are dubious as to what possible reason they should give a crap about supporting us, so the standard OB is a placeholder mechanic. Once we start getting regular orbital support, the OBs will be even more nightmarish, because EVE warship guns hit harder than the NPC warbarge guns.
A LOT harder. |
BetterHideGood
Galactic Alliance 514
39
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:04:00 -
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Orbital strikes are one of the best parts of this game... When you hear the trumpet sound and see the beams start spinning it either gives you a feeling of "oh **** run" or "YEAH GET'EM!!" Perfect in my opinion... Shouldn't have time to run from them they would be pointless a squad with 2500 wp is deserving of the power to take out AT LEAST a expensive tank with an orbital... just my opinion though. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:07:00 -
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BetterHideGood wrote:Orbital strikes are one of the best parts of this game... When you hear the trumpet sound and see the beams start spinning it either gives you a feeling of "oh **** run" or "YEAH GET'EM!!" Perfect in my opinion... Shouldn't have time to run from them they would be pointless a squad with 2500 wp is deserving of the power to take out AT LEAST a expensive tank with an orbital... just my opinion though.
You don't have nearly enough likes. Have one for that lovely explanation of that visceral feeling one gets when death rains from on high. |
Purple Creeper
Onslaught Inc
3
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:07:00 -
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Okay, here's a question: Do they exist in new eden space and vulnerable to attack?
Just like the npc ran market in 2003, I believe this system should and will be replaced. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:08:00 -
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A modern tank can't survive a concrete bomb (IE non-explosive normally used for practice) being dropped on it from normal bombing height.
What seriously makes you think that a laser powered by the same reactors that shoves a 1 km long ship though space, generate wormholes large enough to jump the ship system to system is just only going to tickle you?
Or how about an anti-matter core contained in a powerful enough magnetic bubble to keep it from touching normal matter until it grounds itself on a target which at that time obliterates the normal matter at the location causing small scale atomic destruction?
Or a small tactical nuke contained in a shell fired warhead who's only focus to detonate with the largest EMP output in mind?
Or a incoherent beam of light able slice though shields of similarly powered ships? |
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Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:08:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Purple Creeper wrote:What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield. We're still in beta, and most EVE players are dubious as to what possible reason they should give a crap about supporting us, so the standard OB is a placeholder mechanic. Once we start getting regular orbital support, the OBs will be even more nightmarish, because EVE warship guns hit harder than the NPC warbarge guns. A LOT harder.
It'll be real nice when or if dreadnaughts can be used. |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:08:00 -
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Literally this issue stems from the fact that we currently only play in public matches where everything is made up and nothing is real, we were hired by NPCs and they have a War Barge somewhere up there, I don't even know what I'm fighting for other than ISK or SP!
The solution is to play FW and Corp vs Corp battles if you want to use tanks. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:08:00 -
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Purple Creeper wrote:What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield.
Fine give the squad the ability to launch a low orbital and shoot your tank. |
MassiveNine
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
100
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:08:00 -
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I hope in endgame that there will be someone actually piloting the war barge and dropping off soldiers/installations. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:10:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:I hope in endgame that there will be someone actually piloting the war barge and dropping off soldiers/installations.
Would train my EVE pilot to do this in a heartbeat. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:10:00 -
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Just wait until they start letting caps OB.
We're talking wiping out divisions of tanks with those.
Shells from an XL gun are larger than some tanks. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:10:00 -
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i like how bombardments actually do something now. before they were bee stings to tanks making them rather useless except getting a small chance at taking a point.
the radius is glorious and teaches the camping tanks a lesson.
i just wish i could drop it on the enemy MCC. i fired one on it and it just blasts through it not doing any damage. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:12:00 -
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Purple Creeper wrote:Okay, here's a question: Do they exist in new eden space and vulnerable to attack?
Just like the npc ran market in 2003, I believe this system should and will be replaced.
Sure....doubt many high sec corps are going to buy their own warbarges. But, if you have pub matches. And there will be pub matches. Who supplies the warbarge for the strikes? Also, if someone does supply a warbarge for random public matches. You going to offer your services to keep that fleet of 6 to 8 random tornados from insta ganking that expensive warbarge of theirs?? |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:13:00 -
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Purple Creeper wrote:So I want to start a real thread about this. Here are my thoughts from the first topic which was locked indefinitely:
As someone who has lost several well-built tanks to OBs, I don't like being torched by magically placed beams of destruction with imaginary points.
I wouldn't be annoyed if I at least knew the OB came from an EVE ship hanging in orbit 100% of the times I get striked. A little effort and coordination to match what I put into driving tanks.
Right now they seem over used and unrealistic. They literally appear from nowhere, come from nothing, and destroy everything. Gay.
Dust already supports the functions you are insisting are nonexistent.
You need to be participating in corp battles/factional warfair, in witch (to my understanding, corecct me I am wrong) all OB's are player originated.
What you are suggesting isn't ever going to happen in pub matches, so get over it.
Your "real thread" doesn't seem very realistic to me, not even in the slightest. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Just wait until they start letting caps OB.
We're talking wiping out divisions of tanks with those.
Shells from an XL gun are larger than some tanks.
I have four words for you: Dreadnaught in Siege Mode.
Also, it's possible that CCP might allow EVE pilots to drop replacement clone CRU units to keep you going, or simply drop turret installations, ans supply depots onto the field. perhaps drop tanks for an armored charge.
The possibilities are endless.
Plus if you work with EVE corps a lot losing a tank to an OB is going to seem like something unworthy of complaint. after all, your friends up above absolutely crap money to fund your career of death and destruction. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:17:00 -
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I have a better one,
Titan Doomsday, Destroy everything on the map, including the facilities there instant end the match too. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:18:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote: Sure....doubt many high sec corps are going to buy their own warbarges. But, if you have pub matches. And there will be pub matches. Who supplies the warbarge for the strikes?
depends on the corp, it doesn't take much to fit a catalyst or another type of destroyer class ship with small guns.
i'm already printing hybrid ammunition for mine. and we had 8 in orbit for a corp battle. shame the enemy corp was a single player and we couldn't earn enough WP to get the ability to use it. we even ignored him and try to let him cap points but he just sat on the red line and sniped. |
Purple Creeper
Onslaught Inc
3
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:19:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Purple Creeper wrote:So I want to start a real thread about this. Here are my thoughts from the first topic which was locked indefinitely:
As someone who has lost several well-built tanks to OBs, I don't like being torched by magically placed beams of destruction with imaginary points.
I wouldn't be annoyed if I at least knew the OB came from an EVE ship hanging in orbit 100% of the times I get striked. A little effort and coordination to match what I put into driving tanks.
Right now they seem over used and unrealistic. They literally appear from nowhere, come from nothing, and destroy everything. Gay.
Purple Creeper wrote:What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield. Dust already supports the functions you are insisting are nonexistent. You need to be participating in corp battles/factional warfair, in witch (to my understanding, corecct me I am wrong) all OB's are player originated. What you are suggesting isn't ever going to happen in pub matches, so get over it. Your "real thread" doesn't seem very realistic to me, not even in the slightest.
Well then, lets hope public matches are removed. Right now they're a necessary evil to acquire sufficient sp and isk.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:23:00 -
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You do realize there will be a story reason behind the pub matches in high sec? |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:25:00 -
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Purple Creeper wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Purple Creeper wrote:So I want to start a real thread about this. Here are my thoughts from the first topic which was locked indefinitely:
As someone who has lost several well-built tanks to OBs, I don't like being torched by magically placed beams of destruction with imaginary points.
I wouldn't be annoyed if I at least knew the OB came from an EVE ship hanging in orbit 100% of the times I get striked. A little effort and coordination to match what I put into driving tanks.
Right now they seem over used and unrealistic. They literally appear from nowhere, come from nothing, and destroy everything. Gay.
Purple Creeper wrote:What war barge? EVE did away with most npc crap early on, DUST should too. OBs should be from player ships only, not a made up war barge. Or does it come from an invisible pink unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt? With that said OBs should totally be multicolored and touched up with some sparkles and glitter. Hell, rain down some pixies while your at it. They'll magically heal all troops on the battlefield. Dust already supports the functions you are insisting are nonexistent. You need to be participating in corp battles/factional warfair, in witch (to my understanding, corecct me I am wrong) all OB's are player originated. What you are suggesting isn't ever going to happen in pub matches, so get over it. Your "real thread" doesn't seem very realistic to me, not even in the slightest. Well then, lets hope public matches are removed. Right now they're a necessary evil to acquire sufficient sp and isk.
Except in that case you end up pushing people out of the game that may not be interested in joining a corp or getting into meaningful major fights.
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Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:28:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote: Sure....doubt many high sec corps are going to buy their own warbarges. But, if you have pub matches. And there will be pub matches. Who supplies the warbarge for the strikes?
depends on the corp, it doesn't take much to fit a catalyst or another type of destroyer class ship with small guns. i'm already printing hybrid ammunition for mine. and we had 8 in orbit for a corp battle. shame the enemy corp was a single player and we couldn't earn enough WP to get the ability to use it. we even ignored him and try to let him cap points but he just sat on the red line and sniped.
Except he wants the warbarges player operated. That means manufacturing or buying one. Or having it so the player has access to the npc corps barge, which in the end would make no sense anyways. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:28:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote: Except in that case you end up pushing people out of the game that may not be interested in joining a corp or getting into meaningful major fights.
this is the thing i forsee if they remove it.
DOA. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:28:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote: Sure....doubt many high sec corps are going to buy their own warbarges. But, if you have pub matches. And there will be pub matches. Who supplies the warbarge for the strikes?
depends on the corp, it doesn't take much to fit a catalyst or another type of destroyer class ship with small guns. i'm already printing hybrid ammunition for mine. and we had 8 in orbit for a corp battle. shame the enemy corp was a single player and we couldn't earn enough WP to get the ability to use it. we even ignored him and try to let him cap points but he just sat on the red line and sniped.
I already have 500,000 rounds of tactical hybrid S and 500,000 rounds of tactical EMP S prepped and ready in EVE just waiting for someone to offer me ISKies to contract and deliver death on behalf of their corp. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:31:00 -
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I've seen tanks withstand orbitals plenty of times. HTFU. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:32:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote: Except he wants the warbarges player operated. That means manufacturing or buying one. Or having it so the player has access to the npc corps barge, which in the end would make no sense anyways.
ah sorry got the two confused. warbarges are the planet side ship not the one in space. |
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