DUST Search - This. This is what Dust should do to Eve.

Octavian Vetiver wrote:

Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:

Octavian Vetiver wrote:

Rayan Storm wrote:

This is my dream.
Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2

Nice picture, it's missing the pod goo everywhere though. However, remember that CCP has yet to make any real money off of Dust. When it comes down to it, they're going to be very, very careful how they go about making this affect EVE.

Um... I don't think that was supposed to be a pilot's capsule, just the core where maintenance crew usually hangs out fixing stuff.

Gunner Needed wrote:

what if ccp add abandond Titans for mercs to fight over (there probably bigger than the current maps) the winner gaining a sweet sweet ship for there corp. But idk eve, that maybe op

Yeah, this would be awesome... Imagine fighting aboard an abandoned Terran Titan and recovering invaluable technology for your corporation! I seriously dread they'd implement it someday.

Well, terrans didn't have titans, but the early colonists had some big ships. If they did a map for a titan they'd have to limit it. The smallest titan is 14km in length. Biggest comes in at 18km. That's the current ones. The predecessors in lore are bigger then that. The one the amarr has that was built for Emperor Heidaran is the biggest ship in existence still. They stripped a nice vacationy planet bare to the bones and made it over a two decade period. Going through a ship that size could take days or even weeks.

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Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2013.01.14 01:57:00 - [1] - Quote This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.14 01:59:00 - [2] - Quote I hope it's true what I heard about certain ship types being able to be boarded.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2013.01.14 02:01:00 - [3] - Quote If that is true, i may just go assassin only. That would be beyond awesome.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2013.01.14 02:37:00 - [4] - Quote what if ccp add abandond Titans for mercs to fight over (there probably bigger than the current maps) the winner gaining a sweet sweet ship for there corp. But idk eve, that maybe op
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.01.14 02:49:00 - [5] - Quote this is a long way off, if ever, but **** yea that would be awsome!
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.14 03:13:00 - [6] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 Nice picture, it's missing the pod goo everywhere though. However, remember that CCP has yet to make any real money off of Dust. When it comes down to it, they're going to be very, very careful how they go about making this affect EVE.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.01.14 03:43:00 - [7] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 Nice picture, it's missing the pod goo everywhere though. However, remember that CCP has yet to make any real money off of Dust. When it comes down to it, they're going to be very, very careful how they go about making this affect EVE. Um... I don't think that was supposed to be a pilot's capsule, just the core where maintenance crew usually hangs out fixing stuff. Gunner Needed wrote: what if ccp add abandond Titans for mercs to fight over (there probably bigger than the current maps) the winner gaining a sweet sweet ship for there corp. But idk eve, that maybe op Yeah, this would be awesome... Imagine fighting aboard an abandoned Terran Titan and recovering invaluable technology for your corporation! I seriously dread they'd implement it someday.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:45:00 - [8] - Quote Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 Nice picture, it's missing the pod goo everywhere though. However, remember that CCP has yet to make any real money off of Dust. When it comes down to it, they're going to be very, very careful how they go about making this affect EVE. Um... I don't think that was supposed to be a pilot's capsule, just the core where maintenance crew usually hangs out fixing stuff. Gunner Needed wrote: what if ccp add abandond Titans for mercs to fight over (there probably bigger than the current maps) the winner gaining a sweet sweet ship for there corp. But idk eve, that maybe op Yeah, this would be awesome... Imagine fighting aboard an abandoned Terran Titan and recovering invaluable technology for your corporation! I seriously dread they'd implement it someday. Well, terrans didn't have titans, but the early colonists had some big ships. If they did a map for a titan they'd have to limit it. The smallest titan is 14km in length. Biggest comes in at 18km. That's the current ones. The predecessors in lore are bigger then that. The one the amarr has that was built for Emperor Heidaran is the biggest ship in existence still. They stripped a nice vacationy planet bare to the bones and made it over a two decade period. Going through a ship that size could take days or even weeks.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:49:00 - [9] - Quote No to boarding player-controlled Eve ships. Ok to boarding NPC-controlled Eve ships.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 96	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:51:00 - [10] - Quote Fun fact: Lore wise if you kill a capsuleer outside of their pod they can't download to a new clone. That said, no, you'll never be able to board player ships and take them over from the inside. Think about the idea for a little while and realize how broken it would be for the capsuleers and how boring it would be for you.

TEST SUBJECT 000 Doomheim 1	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:59:00 - [11] - Quote Boarding and subsequently taking over a station?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:00:00 - [12] - Quote You do realize that titans have extreme amounts of built in defenses? I mean a walk though the hanger bay has probably got to be the deadliest march you can imagine. I mean currently the titan and dreadnoughts are the current Warbarges in function when conducting planetary operations. They have entire tank divisions and armies in their holds hangers large enough to fit a carrier physically inside of it. Additionally they have over 145,000 people just manning the ship alone and they're all highly trained crew folk. The ship can self destruct much faster than it takes to queue a team in and when compromised and don't bother hacking, if a rogue drone can't hack a capsuleer what make you think you could? Also economics are concerned, if I wanted a titan dead its extremly more cost efficient to blow it to smitherines.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:02:00 - [13] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Fun fact: Lore wise if you kill a capsuleer outside of their pod they can't download to a new clone. That said, no, you'll never be able to board player ships and take them over from the inside. Think about the idea for a little while and realize how broken it would be for the capsuleers and how boring it would be for you. Fun fact, that clone tech is years old and no longer used. New scan stuff can make a slow backup when unplugging from a pod. Also fun fact, Eggers are also upgrading to sleeper grade clones now to start interfacing with Tech 3 ships.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:03:00 - [14] - Quote TEST SUBJECT 000 wrote: Boarding and subsequently taking over a station? Stations I can see being an economical choice in using dust mercenaries instead of laying siege on the damn thing for a week.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.14 07:36:00 - [15] - Quote Reminds me of Battlefront 2 <3
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 164	Posted - 2013.01.14 08:18:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TEST SUBJECT 000 wrote: Boarding and subsequently taking over a station? Stations I can see being an economical choice in using dust mercenaries instead of laying siege on the damn thing for a week. There is much insight to this. Also, hostile stations to disrupt enemy infrastructure, if you can smuggle the clones in.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.01.14 09:44:00 - [17] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 Cool but way down the line. Or even impossible for player-owned ships. Would probably work better for stations once they become actual social areas. Then dusters could be a way to shut down the station temporarily and assassinate capsuleers hanging around. How cool would it be to have two dusters teams facing each other and capsuleers running around searching for cover
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.01.14 09:53:00 - [18] - Quote The big issue is that you'd be forcing Eve players into a situation where they literally have no ability to defend themselves and their losses are exorbitantly larger than anything you will ever lose. Your prototype suit and a full load gear might cost a couple of hundred thousand isk but that ship that you're wanting to board and kill the pilot of is worth billions, not to mention takes an entire corporation worth of players all working together to gather materials for a project that takes literally weeks. You can't just say, "Screw Eve players" because you're ***** with their investment and when you literally force them to buy a $250 peripheral and invest their own time and effort into actually trying to defend themselves on another console - that's entirely ****. It's the same as allowing Eve players FREELY (without requesting it first after gaining enough war points) fire down on the planet you're on without any way of firing back. So, yeah, I'd be game for it if I don't have to wait for someone to request an orbital strike and you can't fire back. Past that, you're just asking for a way to grief Eve players who's combined losses would be thousands of times what you would ever lose.
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.01.14 10:48:00 - [19] - Quote Heres hoping this is the last player reset and there isnt another coming, as I spent ages making a Corp, and maxing it out. All for nothing, and nothing for all...........
Carl Hauser 2100381593 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2013.01.14 10:58:00 - [20] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 Nice picture, it's missing the pod goo everywhere though. However, remember that CCP has yet to make any real money off of Dust. When it comes down to it, they're going to be very, very careful how they go about making this affect EVE. Um... I don't think that was supposed to be a pilot's capsule, just the core where maintenance crew usually hangs out fixing stuff. Gunner Needed wrote: what if ccp add abandond Titans for mercs to fight over (there probably bigger than the current maps) the winner gaining a sweet sweet ship for there corp. But idk eve, that maybe op Yeah, this would be awesome... Imagine fighting aboard an abandoned Terran Titan and recovering invaluable technology for your corporation! I seriously dread they'd implement it someday. Well, terrans didn't have titans, but the early colonists had some big ships. If they did a map for a titan they'd have to limit it. The smallest titan is 14km in length. Biggest comes in at 18km. That's the current ones. The predecessors in lore are bigger then that. The one the amarr has that was built for Emperor Heidaran is the biggest ship in existence still. They stripped a nice vacationy planet bare to the bones and made it over a two decade period. Going through a ship that size could take days or even weeks. I like the overall idea of fighting in some abondoned (NPC) terran facilities like spacestations or wrecks of old ships. There could be some pretty dangerous drones in there as guard and the fight could be for rare salvage. I think this could make good PVE missions.

Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.14 11:28:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The big issue is that you'd be forcing Eve players into a situation where they literally have no ability to defend themselves and their losses are exorbitantly larger than anything you will ever lose. Your prototype suit and a full load gear might cost a couple of hundred thousand isk but that ship that you're wanting to board and kill the pilot of is worth billions, not to mention takes an entire corporation worth of players all working together to gather materials for a project that takes literally weeks. You can't just say, "Screw Eve players" because you're ***** with their investment and when you literally force them to buy a $250 peripheral and invest their own time and effort into actually trying to defend themselves on another console - that's entirely ****. It's the same as allowing Eve players FREELY (without requesting it first after gaining enough war points) fire down on the planet you're on without any way of firing back. So, yeah, I'd be game for it if I don't have to wait for someone to request an orbital strike and you can't fire back. Past that, you're just asking for a way to grief Eve players who's combined losses would be thousands of times what you would ever lose. You do realize we are mercs? That means that just like someone can hire mercs to board and take over a Titan, the Titan owner can hire mercs to defend it. Man, that would be beautiful.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.01.14 11:55:00 - [22] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: The big issue is that you'd be forcing Eve players into a situation where they literally have no ability to defend themselves and their losses are exorbitantly larger than anything you will ever lose. Your prototype suit and a full load gear might cost a couple of hundred thousand isk but that ship that you're wanting to board and kill the pilot of is worth billions, not to mention takes an entire corporation worth of players all working together to gather materials for a project that takes literally weeks. You can't just say, "Screw Eve players" because you're ***** with their investment and when you literally force them to buy a $250 peripheral and invest their own time and effort into actually trying to defend themselves on another console - that's entirely ****. It's the same as allowing Eve players FREELY (without requesting it first after gaining enough war points) fire down on the planet you're on without any way of firing back. So, yeah, I'd be game for it if I don't have to wait for someone to request an orbital strike and you can't fire back. Past that, you're just asking for a way to grief Eve players who's combined losses would be thousands of times what you would ever lose. You do realize we are mercs? That means that just like someone can hire mercs to board and take over a Titan, the Titan owner can hire mercs to defend it. Man, that would be beautiful. Okay, so a pre-determined match in which I could hire mercenaries... Why the hell would I do that, exactly? Why not just repackage the ship or put in a corporate hanger where you can't access it? Better yet, why not just sell it to someone else or at the very least -GIVE- them the ship? Hell, why not give it to one of your friends so you're basically killing him instead? Why not just eject from the ship and leave it hanging out in space where I could just have my fleet destroy it if you're so hell-bent on taking it? There's a thousand different variables you're not taking into account. Either way it all adds up to the fact that you're going to be directly influencing me into something that I barely have any control over and absolutely no way to perform direct intervention. Sure, I could hire some mercs but then I'm just risking them taking my ISK and disregarding the match entirely. Then I'm really in a situation because not only have I been scammed, I've got no-one to guard my ship and no way of preventing you from taking it. Just saying you want to/can do something is ridiculous. Why should you be allowed to directly affect something I've worked years for when the only option for prevention/intervention is hiring some nobodies who may or may not be able to defeat you?
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.01.14 12:17:00 - [23] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 Nice picture, it's missing the pod goo everywhere though. However, remember that CCP has yet to make any real money off of Dust. When it comes down to it, they're going to be very, very careful how they go about making this affect EVE. Um... I don't think that was supposed to be a pilot's capsule, just the core where maintenance crew usually hangs out fixing stuff. Gunner Needed wrote: what if ccp add abandond Titans for mercs to fight over (there probably bigger than the current maps) the winner gaining a sweet sweet ship for there corp. But idk eve, that maybe op Yeah, this would be awesome... Imagine fighting aboard an abandoned Terran Titan and recovering invaluable technology for your corporation! I seriously dread they'd implement it someday. Well, terrans didn't have titans, but the early colonists had some big ships. If they did a map for a titan they'd have to limit it. The smallest titan is 14km in length. Biggest comes in at 18km. That's the current ones. The predecessors in lore are bigger then that. The one the amarr has that was built for Emperor Heidaran is the biggest ship in existence still. They stripped a nice vacationy planet bare to the bones and made it over a two decade period. Going through a ship that size could take days or even weeks. According to Templar One, Terrans, when they came through the wormhole, were more advanced than capsuleers are even now. They certainly had more superior weapons, which Empress Sarum used to annihilate the Minmatar invasion. That's why I believe they had Titans and maybe even more. On the Titan length's note, here could be the solution: break the derelict ships down into sections, just like planets are broken down into districts: Hangar Bay, Core, Command Bridge, etc. P.S. Moreover, if by early colonists you mean people who stayed here right after the EVE Gate collapsed, then those didn't really have anything. They were plunged into the Dark Ages and had to relearn and rebuild everything from scratch.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 13:04:00 - [24] - Quote There where also was a second collasp of society after the wormhole closed. Yu Yang, Sleepers, Talocan, Tackmal fell apart . The jovians fell apart twice already.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.01.14 13:10:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There where also was a second collasp of society after the wormhole closed. Yu Yang, Sleepers, Talocan, Tackmal fell apart . The jovians fell apart twice already. I've still got money that one day we'll be able to go to Jove Space and run level 10 missions and level 20 complexes.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.14 14:58:00 - [26] - Quote i hope im going to be aible to board ships, shot the pilot in the face with a shotgun and then fly that thing into the next star avaible. Collect the bounty and then say on local: "you mad son that you cant put a bounty on me?"
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.01.14 15:05:00 - [27] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: i hope im going to be aible to board ships, shot the pilot in the face with a shotgun and then fly that thing into the next star avaible. Collect the bounty and then say on local: "you mad son that you cant put a bounty on me?" Lulz, yeah fly it with all that interstellar clone tech you've got. Be lucky if you could even get the propulsion to work.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 15:29:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There where also was a second collasp of society after the wormhole closed. Yu Yang, Sleepers, Talocan, Tackmal fell apart . The jovians fell apart twice already. I've still got money that one day we'll be able to go to Jove Space and run level 10 missions and level 20 complexes. I actually have a counter argument to this.... let me go find it. Meanwhile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Ozvef7CvQ&t=2h13m41s
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2013.01.14 15:32:00 - [29] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: This is my dream. Screw the Eve scum. Viva la Dust http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=dust+514#/d4zjxs2 lolno Bad for both gameplay and the always present lag issue. Trying to host an FPS battle inside a ship that's part of a fleet battle in EVE. And synchronizing all that network data? Not on your life. EVE doesn't need more lag from bad gameplay ideas.
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2013.01.14 15:34:00 - [30] - Quote Seeing how Titans have the best trained crew available, and have about 70,000 - 145,000 (Sauce) of them on board, together with automated defense systems, I don't think this is a feasible undertaking.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 21:38:00 - [31] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: Seeing how Titans have the best trained crew available, and have about 70,000 - 145,000 (Sauce) of them on board, together with automated defense systems, I don't think this is a feasible undertaking. Especially in the 5 minutes of firing on a titan from both hostile and friendly fleets and the pilot decides to turn off tanking. We're getting much closer to instagibbing a titan, we got pretty close at 1 minutes time because the idiot fit cargo expanders and miners to his.
einar skalda Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.01.14 22:32:00 - [32] - Quote Biased coz EVE player. Yet, I love the idea that ships involved in bombardment could be boarded and counter-boarded (by defenders). Like that the battleground would be expanded to ships involved. The idea about abandoned NPC ships which could be gained for a corp is also cool. Generally, I got the impression that CCP showed a lack of vision in the last two years. And there are interesting ideas in this discussion thread.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 22:46:00 - [33] - Quote NPC generated ships is a massive protest ticket. IE see industrialist and how much of the eve market is dependent on them.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.14 22:50:00 - [34] - Quote Also effort costs of taking a cap ship with mercs vs the reward/failure isnt even. also this here is a to scale titan in a fps game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPeb547pis0 A station take over is just as big, they're not capsuleer controlled, have plenty of roaming room inside them for full scale army conflicts interanlly. Can host multiple matches without 'dissappearing' all of a sudden. A station cannot troll, cannot bait, cannot self destruct. Drastically lowers the chances of getting scammed out if you accept that contract. Is not effected by time dilation mechanics and not a thrown match caused by the pilot him/herself And it takes about a week or two of seige a station to take it over form space. I file ship boarding an eve ship near equivalently a just as bad of an idea as manned space fighters trying to kill eve pilots. Boarding an MCC to destroy it I can see doable provided the rest of the interior is designed proper.
einar skalda Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.01.14 23:23:00 - [35] - Quote Nobody claimed that you should get high prized infrastructure for a 30 minute match in Dust. You could break a battle for a cap ship into sections and only once all sections are won over by the same faction, the cap ship changes owner and is available. As a producer in EVE, I agree that such cap ships should not rain down from the sky. But a reasonable occurrence could work. I would see cap ships as something rare and it has to involve considerable effort of a faction to take one over. Ships involved in orbital bombardment are medium sized (300m). So, they could be at stake.
Ulf Thunderkick Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 10	Posted - 2013.01.14 23:35:00 - [36] - Quote I like the idea of shipboard combat, but making it player ships in EvE seems entirely unfair to the EvE players, even with hiring people to defend the ship, they have virtually no real means of defending themselves. But this could be implemented with floating hulks above planets (such as defeated cap ships, wrecks, etc.) to recover usable salvage. Have the opposing force be planted in a last ditch attempt to deny the enemy resources, or make titan/supercap wrecks salvageable only by mercs, making them a sort of contestable in space territory. I could see this happening if said supercaps could be explained as having CRUs on board, thus requiring the party attempting to take the wreck to destroy the enemy clone storage bay or clone supply (like in ambush) in order to take the objective. The defending team on the other hand could win through depleting the enemy's clones or placing strategic charges to destroy the wreck. Additionally, we do have stations that switch hands in 0.0 conflicts. Maybe make them like planets with defendable/capturable districts.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.14 23:40:00 - [37] - Quote CCP will probably need to add a super-titan style of ship in order to justify us being able to board it. If I was an eve player, i would be extremely upset about losing my titan to something like this.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2013.01.15 02:22:00 - [38] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Reminds me of Battlefront 2 <3 that was the game, man.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2013.01.15 02:25:00 - [39] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: CCP will probably need to add a super-titan style of ship in order to justify us being able to board it. If I was an eve player, i would be extremely upset about losing my titan to something like this. I understand that, but it is the though that is so awesome!
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 02:47:00 - [40] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: CCP will probably need to add a super-titan style of ship in order to justify us being able to board it. If I was an eve player, i would be extremely upset about losing my titan to something like this. They won't make anything bigger then a titan. We already can barely fit one titan in a large POS. And titans can't dock so that's an added issue.



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