They could make it material based by making it where instead of infinite use,you just have blueprints & have to gather the materials to build it every time you lose an outfit or buy the materials similar to DC Universe Online's R&D setup.

Something I realized on the last day of the chromosome build, if EVERYONE were to bring out good gear the game is much better. The ISK reward goes up, and we all generally get paid. So while your bringing out better gear and losing isk, you get it back if other players do the same. Too bad everyone has the mentality to stockpile good gear and not bring it out.

No.

All CCP needs to do is make the bigger tiers better to use.(aka, advance and prototype gear)

Because as of right now I have absolutely no reason to use more expensive gear when it hardly makes a difference.

No.

All CCP needs to do is make the bigger tiers better to use.(aka, advance and prototype gear)

Because as of right now I have absolutely no reason to use more expensive gear when it hardly makes a difference.

I'd say there should be locked starter fits - you get infinite of those suits but you cannot alter the loadout in any way.

Something I really want to see is a Corp armory that can be stocked with a couple of pre-made suits that anyone with the skill can use. I want to be able to make sure my people are geared up.

Things are going to radically change once FW becomes a bigger part of dust. In a contract if you don't win you don't get paid, and if you use sub-par gear because it's free then you will not make any money because you're just gonna get stomped by a better fit corp. these random matches where people are guaranteed ISK probably won't entirely represent what the finished game will be on launch.

What about this...

BPO's maybe only work for like 1 month, then they disappear and you get like 50% or whatever of your aurum back for them. Just an idea. Cause TBH they really arn't usefull after few weeks of playing anyway. Plus they use to much pg, cpu and i would like some of my aurum back. Like the 15000 for the Raven type 1 i'll hardly ever use it again. Thoughts?

I'm curious as to what everyone's thoughts are on BPO items.

The more time goes on, the less and less I like these.


CCP advertised dust as a game defined by RISK vs REWARD. Going into battle and actually losing the assets you bring in if you die. But for the past couple months, with the introduction of more and more BPO weapons and suits, coupled with the flattening of the tiers to make upgrading out of those low tier BPO suits pretty much pointless... It's just left me with a sour taste. While CCP has said there's never going to be BPO items for high-tier stuff... No one even needs it because of how good the current BPO stuff is compared to everything else.

Don't get me wrong. Lately I've been using nothing but a Valor Scout with a militia shotgun blueprint. My fit costs me 0 ISK, and like 10k ISK when I switch to the copy of it that has AV nades. And yet I can still decimate pretty much anyone I see with my OHK shotgun that costs me nothing, even if they are not using free gear?


Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that people who buy high end gear should automatically beat people using the low tier stuff. But there needs to be a reason to upgrade. Prior to both the suit + weapon flattening, a bad player in prototype gear would still lose to a good player in militia. A good player in militia gear would beat a bad player in militia. A good player in proto gear would still beat a bad player in militia. A good player with militia gear facing a good player in proto would be a tossup largely depending on circumstances such as who has better cover, which weapon type they both have, etc. Gear never really mattered a whole lot. It's always been more reliant on player skill. (Exception: Scout suits in the earlier builds. No skill was needed to be invincible in those. Good times!) Granted, a good player using bad gear did have to work a bit more to kill a bad player in good gear. If anything, those differences gave them a better chance against the better player.

The flattening was apparently done to give 'new players' a chance. But really, it didn't do anything more than make it pointless to upgrade! CCP can look at the stats of all the people who rocked high tier gear in past builds. People who went 20+ kills with 0-3 deaths are still going 20+ kills with 0-3 deaths. A good player will always beat a bad player regardless of the stats on the gear either of them are using.


A couple months ago, all militia stuff was BPO. None of it ever ran out, for 1000 isk or so you'd get a permanent copy. When CCP announced changing them to BPC (temporary) items, I was one of the people who highly opposed that change. At the time it seemed crazy. As time goes on, I'm starting to become more and more convinced that they made the right move. But then the introduction of BPO's for aurum kind of killed it.


Personally, I'd much rather that if the tiers remain flat, BPO's get removed entirely. Since everyone is just using cheap/free gear anyways. It would bring back some measure of the whole risk/reward dynamic that is supposed to be huge in this game.

Ideally the tiericide would get reverted and there'd be a reason to upgrade again. But maybe that's hoping for too much.

Current SUIT BPO's could become just BPO's for color schemes, since each BPO suit has a special visual as it is.


EDIT: Starter fits would be the exception. They could remain free since they are all pretty garbage, even though there has been numerous posts on how to improve them.

I don't think it's so much the BPO as it is the level flattening across upgrades. People will counter and say there is a reason to upgrade, and they are right - for corp battles. But outside of corp battles if you are using anything other than militia you are just wasting ISK.

BPOs are a good fall back option, but there needs to be more than just extra high/low slots on advanced and proto in order to get players to ditch them. Especially for the heavy one......grumble, grumble...anyway, a 10% increase in the base armor and shield per tier would be what I think is okay. The proto suits would have 20% more armor and shields over the standard in other words. That's not too OP IMO.

Maybe for the heavy suit. For the scout I would say a good incentive would be a much more pronounced difference in base movement and base sprint speed with a bonus to fit cloak modules (assuming we do get cloaks soon).