DUST Search - Open Beta: Noob's Doom's Day

Th3rdSun wrote:

Lady Hyuna wrote:

Foley Jones wrote:

Th3rdSun wrote:

Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:

This is exactly what i fear they will hit the wall of vets and say **** this and give up on DUST and not only that would probably spread the word to others of the same mentality, some will probably stick to it but very few will have patience and a want to be effectivly beaten repeatedly. When DUST goes live it NEEDS a Sp wipe, and the sp system needs to be made viable for people who A: dont play every day(roll over is a fix) and B: people who start a month or 2 into developpment(a DUST wide roll over would make it possible but not easy to catch up)

This is my feeling too,and I have been wondering if CCP is totally clueless of this,but then I just started thinking,why would CCP not reset? What is the point of it? Then it just hit me.

CCP is banking on that those noobs that are getting abused by vets will like the game so much ,yet hate that they are so far behind,that they are going to start spending money on AUR in an effort to catch up or at least stand on equal footing with the vets.If this is what CCP is banking on,it will surely blow up in their faces,as most console gamers would rather move on to another game,than spend money on what is advertised as a Free To Play game in order to compete with people that are going to be handed a clear advantage from the start.

Whatever CCP says,I'm still not convinced that they aren't going to do a reset for launch.I just don't see how they figure that this is going to go over well with the new players that they are trying to attract to the game.

You have a point but I believe its confirmed that there will be no more resets, CCP is telling us this is a head start so why would they be like "oh sorry I know we said we gave you a head start but uh...wipe" I mean sure the free points. But it wouldent feel like a head start...besides we JUST had a wipe...people will be raging like no tommorow on the fourms I promise you

Im Just carious How is any different from a noob when the game is out and rage quitting because he keeps dieing? I is like me joining COD and raging and such because I keep die from lack of skills. I just don't see any different than seeing someone joining for OB with people with all the skills, than joining when the game has been out for 3 months.

The difference is that the ceiling on your character skill level is much higher in Dust than any other shooter probably ever.For instance,in MAG,if you started one month after everyone else,you would hit level 60 a little bit later,but you would still top out like everyone else eventually does,then it all comes down to player skill,and not the skill level of your character.

Casual players that join Dust 2 to 3 months in,won't have a chance in hell,unless they are playing similar opponents,which may,or may not be in as much of abundance as CCP would hope for.

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Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:03:00 - [61] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Lady Hyuna wrote: Foley Jones wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: This is exactly what i fear they will hit the wall of vets and say **** this and give up on DUST and not only that would probably spread the word to others of the same mentality, some will probably stick to it but very few will have patience and a want to be effectivly beaten repeatedly. When DUST goes live it NEEDS a Sp wipe, and the sp system needs to be made viable for people who A: dont play every day(roll over is a fix) and B: people who start a month or 2 into developpment(a DUST wide roll over would make it possible but not easy to catch up) This is my feeling too,and I have been wondering if CCP is totally clueless of this,but then I just started thinking,why would CCP not reset? What is the point of it? Then it just hit me. CCP is banking on that those noobs that are getting abused by vets will like the game so much ,yet hate that they are so far behind,that they are going to start spending money on AUR in an effort to catch up or at least stand on equal footing with the vets.If this is what CCP is banking on,it will surely blow up in their faces,as most console gamers would rather move on to another game,than spend money on what is advertised as a Free To Play game in order to compete with people that are going to be handed a clear advantage from the start. Whatever CCP says,I'm still not convinced that they aren't going to do a reset for launch.I just don't see how they figure that this is going to go over well with the new players that they are trying to attract to the game. You have a point but I believe its confirmed that there will be no more resets, CCP is telling us this is a head start so why would they be like "oh sorry I know we said we gave you a head start but uh...wipe" I mean sure the free points. But it wouldent feel like a head start...besides we JUST had a wipe...people will be raging like no tommorow on the fourms I promise you Im Just carious How is any different from a noob when the game is out and rage quitting because he keeps dieing? I is like me joining COD and raging and such because I keep die from lack of skills. I just don't see any different than seeing someone joining for OB with people with all the skills, than joining when the game has been out for 3 months. The difference is that the ceiling on your character skill level is much higher in Dust than any other shooter probably ever.For instance,in MAG,if you started one month after everyone else,you would hit level 60 a little bit later,but you would still top out like everyone else eventually does,then it all comes down to player skill,and not the skill level of your character. Casual players that join Dust 2 to 3 months in,won't have a chance in hell,unless they are playing similar opponents,which may,or may not be in as much of abundance as CCP would hope for. this is why ccp needs to drill the point home on specializing u dont need a ceiling in dust and tbqh takes about 2M-4M SP to have a proper fit which is a month or 2 of play tbh yes someone who started earlier will have more overall SP but that just means his toon is more versatile but not all his skills will be utilised at once. So a 50M SP guy running assault against a 5M SP guy running assault are pretty much even if the 5M SP guy put his points into assault stuff
Rodger Forbes Doomheim 7	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:10:00 - [62] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: This is exactly what i fear they will hit the wall of vets and say **** this and give up on DUST and not only that would probably spread the word to others of the same mentality, some will probably stick to it but very few will have patience and a want to be effectivly beaten repeatedly. When DUST goes live it NEEDS a Sp wipe, and the sp system needs to be made viable for people who A: dont play every day(roll over is a fix) and B: people who start a month or 2 into developpment(a DUST wide roll over would make it possible but not easy to catch up) I figured that would happen when they read all that character creation text just to make a character. Or the first time they open the NeoCom to figure out the whole SP spending business. They'll be weeded out before anyone can even tag 'em.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:17:00 - [63] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: This is exactly what i fear they will hit the wall of vets and say **** this and give up on DUST and not only that would probably spread the word to others of the same mentality, some will probably stick to it but very few will have patience and a want to be effectivly beaten repeatedly. When DUST goes live it NEEDS a Sp wipe, and the sp system needs to be made viable for people who A: dont play every day(roll over is a fix) and B: people who start a month or 2 into developpment(a DUST wide roll over would make it possible but not easy to catch up) Regardless of a character wipe or not, the new players are going to get slaughtered six ways from Sunday. Not sure why so many of you think another wipe is going to solve that. Sure it will lessen the blow, but even the first day on TQ the matches were just as brutal as ones on the last day on SiSi (actually were almost more intense to be honest). Plus we have all been playing Dust for months, so it doesn't matter what we are talking about, that kind of experience will usually always dominate players who have no idea about anything yet. One good look at the recent Asia gameshow thing says all that needs to be said, all those players were in full proto gear and 100% maxed out skills, yet even me in a militia suit and militia weapons took them out with ease. Every one of us slaughtered those players, and they were 100% proto and maxed out skills!! I think Dusters have become far too fond of the wipes, and likely many of you don't want to see the day come where the paths you choose are finally permanent.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 968	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:43:00 - [64] - Quote CCP can't wipe our player skill or knowlege which is our real advantage. So what can they do? They can give us a head start to get enough SP that the matchmaking system can segregate us from all the new players. If we are really expecting thousands of new players the vets will be a drop in the bucket, not an impenetrable wall of death. The new guys will be fighting each other until they get near us in SP (proportionally) and get matched with us. Noob pub stomping problem solved.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2013.01.14 04:48:00 - [65] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP can't wipe our player skill or knowlege which is our real advantage. *So what can* they do? They can give us a head start to get enough SP that the matchmaking system can segregate us from all the new players. If we are really expecting thousands of new players the vets will be a drop in the bucket, not an impenetrable wall of death. The new guys will be fighting each other until they get near us in SP (proportionally) and get matched with us. Noob pub stomping problem solved.** actually not a bad plan because u are right our player skill and knowledge of the game especially where to invest early on will always have us on top newbies and they will still get raped regardless of a wipe or not and this is the best way to test the matchmaking system to make sure its actually working
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:16:00 - [66] - Quote Stop trying to protect the newbs. What are you feeling maternal? STFU.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:31:00 - [67] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Stop trying to protect the newbs. What are you feeling maternal? STFU. if u want ur game to survive then yes some protection is needed or u will never get an influx of new players and idk if u know but for this game to work it will need a large playerbase
DeeJay One BetaMax. 9	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:36:00 - [68] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP can't wipe our player skill or knowlege which is our real advantage. So what can they do? They can give us a head start to get enough SP that the matchmaking system can segregate us from all the new players. If we are really expecting thousands of new players the vets will be a drop in the bucket, not an impenetrable wall of death. The new guys will be fighting each other until they get near us in SP (proportionally) and get matched with us. Noob pub stomping problem solved. This. Now I'm ready for all the "give us noobs to kill" threads when matchmaking finally works due to a higher player count:-)
Kalante Schiffer UnReaL. 183	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:50:00 - [69] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP can't wipe our player skill or knowlege which is our real advantage. *So what can* they do? They can give us a head start to get enough SP that the matchmaking system can segregate us from all the new players. If we are really expecting thousands of new players the vets will be a drop in the bucket, not an impenetrable wall of death. The new guys will be fighting each other until they get near us in SP (proportionally) and get matched with us. Noob pub stomping problem solved.** thats a good idea actually not a bad plan because u are right our player skill and knowledge of the game especially where to invest early on will always have us on top newbies and they will still get raped regardless of a wipe or not and this is the best way to test the matchmaking system to make sure its actually working yea we gotta let the noobs feel good about themselves and not put them involved with the experienced players otherwise they wont be able kill and will rage quit the game. Resistance fall of man had this problem where noobs would go against this super players with over 100k kills, 2.0 kdrs and just literary have no chance at all, later they would rage quit the game in about a week.
Noraa Anderson Nox Aeterna Security 184	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:55:00 - [70] - Quote The closed beta has a close knit and somewhat intelligent userbase right now. The flood of monkeys that could come in the beta will be upsetting to many. That is why you should feel little remorse in slaughtering them whenever you can. The kind of people we want in this game are those that will HTFU, stick with it and adapt. Also CCP have sweet mercy and default mics to on.

DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.14 07:04:00 - [71] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP can't wipe our player skill or knowlege which is our real advantage. So what can they do? They can give us a head start to get enough SP that the matchmaking system can segregate us from all the new players. If we are really expecting thousands of new players the vets will be a drop in the bucket, not an impenetrable wall of death. The new guys will be fighting each other until they get near us in SP (proportionally) and get matched with us. Noob pub stomping problem solved. That is a very good point I keep forgetting about that I have heard others bring up, matchmaking doing it's job and separating us from the noobs. Because you are exactly correct, they can get rid of all we have in terms of gear and SP, but our experience is still far greater than any new players. The ideal solution would be to let us continue without a wipe, that way when CCP does get the matchmaking correctly, the noobs will only be playing against other noobs (alt characters aside). The more I think about it, the more this seems like what CCP is planning, which makes perfect sense. Our leveled up characters will be the means for which CCP is to work on matchmaking separating players by experience/skill/SP/etc.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2013.01.14 07:14:00 - [72] - Quote I submit this fact: We've been playing against terrible blue dots since the beta began. Time has not, nor will it ever change this. I would like to know where you get this notion that 100% of us closed beta testers are worth a wet fart in a blizzard. There are a select top .. say... 100 players (out of 1000's) who hold sturdily positive KDR's. The simple fact is, gear or no, skills or no, the only thing you need to be good in dust is raw talent at FPS games. So I say no wipe necessary for launch/etc. but hey, lets see how open beta rolls out. If it truly is this uncanny "slaughter" you have painted in our minds, I will cede this argument to you, but until that day, I firmly believe nothing will really change. Maybe there will be a day or two of exceedingly easy games for some of us, but after people get the gist of the game, it's fair game.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 164	Posted - 2013.01.14 07:45:00 - [73] - Quote I'll be putting out the lights of dust514 with my freshly looted 20 Thales
Donkey Hawaii Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.01.14 08:07:00 - [74] - Quote There will always be noobs coming into the game unless you want to hold everyone's hand no reason to start now.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.01.14 08:28:00 - [75] - Quote Lady Hyuna wrote: Noraa Anderson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We should have a wipe every day! -Get rid of all skills -Get rid of SP -Get rid of all gear except Militia Perfection! Why even have gear period! Lets just run naked around the battle field and slap each other to death! meele=Slap with the hand. Nova nife= A plastic hand on end of a stick. Laser Rifle= Hand made from laser on a stick. sniper rifle= Thowing a a plastic hand. Reviving = Slapping them until they come to. Lol. Reminds me of when I saw Jeff Dunham.
Minmatar Slave 74136 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2013.01.14 09:57:00 - [76] - Quote "Hunt them down. Do not stop until they are found. You do not know pain, you do not know fear. You will taste Noobflesh!"


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