DUST Search - When This Game Goes Into Open Beta Without Fixing Ambush Spawns

Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:

howard sanchez wrote:

Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:

Government CheeseBurger wrote:

Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:

drop uplinks

Fixed

It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this.

But, moeJoe,

This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't.

But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms.

This isn't a sandbox. It never has been. I've never felt as though I've been playing anything more than a generic and poorly designed arena first-person shooter. This beta should not be opened until this game actually plays like what they promised (if ever).

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Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:01:00 - [1] - Quote It will really say something about how out of touch CCP is with FPS gamers.
Astral Zan Doomheim 31	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:06:00 - [2] - Quote lol maybe they will like the initial spawn cluster ****
Government CheeseBurger Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 232	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:07:00 - [3] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Opps I should have posted tjhis in feed back. having said that CCP can you please have a look at the spawn system in ambush. It still has some issues when no one uses drop uplinks on my team.. Fixed
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:10:00 - [4] - Quote Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Opps I should have posted tjhis in feed back. having said that CCP can you please have a look at the spawn system in ambush. It still has some issues when no one uses drop uplinks on my team.. Fixed A+ lol
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:10:00 - [5] - Quote Why do you play ambush?
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:10:00 - [6] - Quote Government CheeseBurger wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a "fix" for something inherently broken that CCP refuses to fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this.
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:20:00 - [7] - Quote The amount of progress they've made in the past 6 months suggests the majority of information posted in the feedback section fall on deaf ears.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:21:00 - [8] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this. But, moeJoe, This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't. But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms.
Rodger Forbes Doomheim 7	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:21:00 - [9] - Quote They are a pretty handy solution, though. :D
Astral Zan Doomheim 31	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:24:00 - [10] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this. But, moeJoe, This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't. But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms. lol wow really? he makes a valid point, we got the open beta kiddies coming in what do you think their posts will be about once open beta drops.

Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:26:00 - [11] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this. But, moeJoe, This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't. But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms. This isn't a sandbox. It never has been. I've never felt as though I've been playing anything more than a generic and poorly designed first-person arena shooter. This beta should not be opened until this game actually plays like what they promised (if ever).
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:26:00 - [12] - Quote FYI. Drop uplinks don't fix the problem of the initial spawn at the beginning of the match spawning you between 2 Red Dots.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:38:00 - [13] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this. But, moeJoe, This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't. But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms. This isn't a sandbox. It never has been. I've never felt as though I've been playing anything more than a generic and poorly designed arena first-person shooter. This beta should not be opened until this game actually plays like what they promised (if ever). If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play.
Regis Mk V Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 109	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:39:00 - [14] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: It will really say something about how out of touch CCP is with FPS gamers. Agreed
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:43:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play. At least Black Ops is good at being a generic arcade shooter. Dust can't even pull that off right.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:44:00 - [16] - Quote My solution proposal here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=464083
Regis Mk V Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 109	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:45:00 - [17] - Quote [/quote] If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play.[/quote] Your misconception about people who play COD only play TDM game modes makes me laugh. You'd be surprised at how many people play the objective and COD and would probably get ROFLstomped if you played a clan in COD. Stop assuming that people who play COD don't play objectives or objective game modes. Also I don't play COD!
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:51:00 - [18] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this. But, moeJoe, This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't. But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms. This isn't a sandbox. It never has been. I've never felt as though I've been playing anything more than a generic and poorly designed arena first-person shooter. This beta should not be opened until this game actually plays like what they promised (if ever). I just don't understand why you are still here then. What is it that keeps you coming back day after day? Really.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2013.01.12 00:54:00 - [19] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: It will really say something about how out of touch CCP is with FPS gamers. When did it go open beta?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.01.12 01:04:00 - [20] - Quote Ambush spawns are worst of any game I have ever played. Not to mention there are NOT randomized at all which is especially pathetic when the maps are supposed to be.

ChargersGirlLuvsDP Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.12 01:13:00 - [21] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play. At least Black Ops is good at being a generic arcade shooter. Dust can't even pull that off right. Maybe that is because Dust isn't trying to be your run-of-the-mill generic arcade shooter? If that is what you are looking for, why don't you go back there and stop cluttering my Dust forums with your tripe?
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 98	Posted - 2013.01.12 01:20:00 - [22] - Quote Yup.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2013.01.12 01:23:00 - [23] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Government CheeseBurger wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: drop uplinks Fixed It's not our job to find a fix for something that CCP won't fix themselves. The spawns were designed poorly. Drop uplinks are not a solution and do not change this. But, moeJoe, This is how sandboxes work! If there is a solution to be had, have at it. You don't HAVE to fix the spawn problem for CCP, but if you CHOOSE to, you get an advantage vs others how don't. But, you're an Imperfect...you don't need any advantages other than your elite gun-game and forum-fu! So, while I do expect that the spawn system will be improved upon, please do continue to demand that it happen on your terms. This isn't a sandbox. It never has been. I've never felt as though I've been playing anything more than a generic and poorly designed arena first-person shooter. This beta should not be opened until this game actually plays like what they promised (if ever). This game was good during replications and even E3 with all the vehicle whoring. However the spawn mechanics are down right embarrassing for TDM. To those saying Skirmish is the big boy mode lmfao. I'll admit the original skirmish was good, but if I wanted to play domination I would just play COD. At least I wouldn't have to deal with the redlining. To those saying "use drop uplinks" you've probably never been spawn camped by players farming you uplink before netting an easy 10 kills of of that alone.
Drako Alundi 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 17	Posted - 2013.01.12 01:52:00 - [24] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play. At least Black Ops is good at being a generic arcade shooter. Dust can't even pull that off right. wow.... just leave.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2013.01.12 02:00:00 - [25] - Quote Drako Alundi wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play. At least Black Ops is good at being a generic arcade shooter. Dust can't even pull that off right. wow.... just leave. If Blackops II wasn't P2P then it would be much better than it already is. Dust is still far from being a AAA shooter. Even the fanboys can't deny this.
ChargersGirlLuvsDP Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.12 02:10:00 - [26] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Drako Alundi wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you want to play a generic and poorly designed FPS, black ops 2 is out. Judging by the fact you care about ambush, that's what you like to play. At least Black Ops is good at being a generic arcade shooter. Dust can't even pull that off right. wow.... just leave. If Blackops II wasn't P2P then it would be much better than it already is. Dust is still far from being a AAA shooter. Even the fanboys can't deny this. Well, if you're not interested in Beta testing a game with a huge amount of potential and you just want to extol arcade tripe, then why are you here?
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2013.01.12 03:23:00 - [27] - Quote I find the spawns only suck in the very beginning of the game, because everyone is spawning at the same time, i find if i spawn in 20s-30s into the match i wont have this happen. But yes the spawn points arent as random as i thought there seem to be predetermined zones. I personally think they need to take a page out of Uncharted if they arent going use spawn bases, spawn on opposite side of map or area of least enemy population, add to this you can spawn on buddy which in this case should be squad leader suffice they are not actively engaged in combat and not within 10m (arbitrary number) of the enemy.
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2013.01.12 03:43:00 - [28] - Quote Gunner Visari wrote: I find the spawns only suck in the very beginning of the game, because everyone is spawning at the same time, i find if i spawn in 20s-30s into the match i wont have this happen. But yes the spawn points arent as random as i thought there seem to be predetermined zones. I personally think they need to take a page out of Uncharted if they arent going use spawn bases, spawn on opposite side of map or area of least enemy population, add to this you can spawn on buddy which in this case should be squad leader suffice they are not actively engaged in combat and not within 10m (arbitrary number) of the enemy. Requoted myself; there; now post can get back on track.
Imp Smash On The Brink 51	Posted - 2013.01.12 03:43:00 - [29] - Quote I'm trying to figure out how calling someone a monkey is racism. Wouldn't that be speciesism? :p Anyway, moejoe is right about the spawns. He is also somewhat lacking in the composition department. But don't let that fool you! Honestly though I think MOST OF US AGREE that spawn camping is a tad problematic. At the same time though, my fellow clones, we have no reason to think that this will continue. The impression I get from CCP is that spawn issues will be fixed for random spawn. But let's face it. There is nothing anyone can do about people campin your uplink or cru. It's up to us to adapt at that point. The only real concern, I feel, is the random spawns in ambush not being so random and often putting you near enemies.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 809	Posted - 2013.01.12 06:53:00 - [30] - Quote All they need to do is have everyone spawn at opposite ends of the map for the initial spawn of the game, after that point the random spawning is a perfectly reasonable punishment for not using uplinks properly. The ONLY problem with spawning is the initial spawn for which you have no control over.



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