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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 19:57:00 -
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That was quick.
Don't you think going for a week to a day was too much of a jump? I understand why they limit the SP but after such a short time playing for today, it was kind of a letdown. I know people didn't like the 7 day SP cycle, but at least them you had like 3-4 days worth of playing before the SP really dropped off. Now I feel like I HAVE to play the game every day or I'm getting screwed, rather maybe only play every other day but for a long time when I do.
Not to mention that Active Skill boosters are FAR less valuable now, I think CCP is shooting themselves in the foot in that regard.
Perhaps instead of a 1 day cycle we can go with a 3 or 4 day SP cycle as a happy medium? I just don't want playing the game to feel like a chore I have to do every day ya know? |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
485
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:00:00 -
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I like the new Sp cap.
Its going to be easy to keep up. |
Luke Vetri
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
48
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:02:00 -
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Not if you actually have to work during the week but can play a fair amount over the weekend |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1030
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:03:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:I like the new Sp cap.
Its going to be easy to keep up.
but easy to fall behind and for anyone not starting and maxing sp every day its going to be a negative |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1030
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:05:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:That was quick.
Don't you think going for a week to a day was too much of a jump? I understand why they limit the SP but after such a short time playing for today, it was kind of a letdown. I know people didn't like the 7 day SP cycle, but at least them you had like 3-4 days worth of playing before the SP really dropped off. Now I feel like I HAVE to play the game every day or I'm getting screwed, rather maybe only play every other day but for a long time when I do.
Not to mention that Active Skill boosters are FAR less valuable now, I think CCP is shooting themselves in the foot in that regard.
Perhaps instead of a 1 day cycle we can go with a 3 or 4 day SP cycle as a happy medium? I just don't want playing the game to feel like a chore I have to do every day ya know?
While i would say 90% of dust agrees with you Pokey its CCP that could care less about our opnions now. Just like a girl when she doesn't get the answer she wants she asks someone else. Case in point
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Testing new things with new players in the open beta will give us a broader range of views and is a welcome addition alongside those from our venerated closed beta playtesters such as yourself.
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Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:10:00 -
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I would like a return to a weekly cap so it gives players more freedom about when to play. The total amount of SP earned wouldn't change at all. I would like to see the cap raised a little, though. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:14:00 -
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Well Im not complaining about the cap, I'm totally fine with that, but they need to give some more flexibility.
Instead of "You can only earn 100k SP every 24 hours" (I just picked 100k as an arbitrary number)
You go "You can only earn 300k SP every 72 hours"
The SP cap per day is still the same if you spread it out, but some people simply don't have access to play every day, and very well might play for 6 hours at once and earn 3 days worth of SP in 1 day. There is still an incentive to log on fairly regularly and work to hit that cap in order to keep up, but at the same time you're not required to log in every day (Even if the amount of time needed is short) to max out your SP so you don't feel like you've wasted a day.
I think the system in concept is OK, but it needs some tweaking. I'm very concerned this game will bomb because of this if they don't make some changes quickly. |
Kanen Serran
Prototype Technology Corp.
4
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:27:00 -
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Remember that the active sp boost is really just a bonus on top of the passive. if you have passive sp active on the character you're still going to get a set amount per day so it's really not that big of a deal. if you don't have a lot of time to play during the week use passive booster instead of active and you'll get better value out of it. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:38:00 -
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Kanen Serran wrote:Remember that the active sp boost is really just a bonus on top of the passive. if you have passive sp active on the character you're still going to get a set amount per day so it's really not that big of a deal. if you don't have a lot of time to play during the week use passive booster instead of active and you'll get better value out of it.
True but that doesn't change the fact that you're basically pressured into logging in every day to get that extra active SP in order to keep up. Like I said I dont mind the hard SP cap, but make it over the course of a few days so its a bit more accessible to everyone |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
172
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:45:00 -
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Is it just me or is CCP trying to use the same strategy that almost EVERY FACEBOOK GAME EVER has.
You know, like how in order to keep playing the game you have to come back in 24 hours once your energy has recharged or whatever so that the developers keep you playing the game habitually.
>.> |
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:48:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Is it just me or is CCP trying to use the same strategy that almost EVERY FACEBOOK GAME EVER has.
You know, like how in order to keep playing the game you have to come back in 24 hours once your energy has recharged or whatever so that the developers keep you playing the game habitually.
>.>
O_o that's an upsettingly accurate way to put it. I almost am more upset by it now because it IS just like a facebook game. |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:49:00 -
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Yeah the daily cap is dumb, the weekly cap made more sense. Because you only have to play 3-4 days out of the week. Maybe instead there should be some kind of bonus sp for when you haven't played in a while the way other games do it on top of the daily cap. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
651
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:49:00 -
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There are a ton of good SP system ideas on the forums if they'd look at them. IMO best one seems to be:
Weekly cap + rollover SP pool if you don't reach it.
The pool would help the newcomers into DUST "catch up" to the closed beta testers since no reset.
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:50:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Is it just me or is CCP trying to use the same strategy that almost EVERY FACEBOOK GAME EVER has.
You know, like how in order to keep playing the game you have to come back in 24 hours once your energy has recharged or whatever so that the developers keep you playing the game habitually.
>.>
It makes sense, both from a F2P business model standpoint and in order to keep a steady flow of players throughout the week for EVE FW. I personally preferred the weekly cap, but it would exacerbate the player base's tendency to cluster around weekends. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:52:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: There are a ton of good SP system ideas on the forums if they'd look at them. IMO best one seems to be:
Weekly cap + rollover SP pool if you don't reach it.
The pool would help the newcomers into DUST "catch up" to the closed beta testers since no reset.
I have heard that one and it's an interesting idea, one I'd be willing to try out. They just need to change this damn 1-day cycle before the 21st. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:56:00 -
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The problem for me is some other game is going to get my attention and isn't going to string me along like this. The odds are that it will happen a half dozen times a year, as that is normal for me.
That means everything except one char with a Passive SP will be idle and it is the reason I am not kicking in the Active Boost because I have a couple games due pretty soon. And you have to keep logging in enough to keep the Passive SP cooking. Exactly how much that is remains a mystery.
So, once I come back from a game that keeps my interest for several hours at a stretch for days on end how far behind will I be? Too far and I'll walk, odds are. Next it would be just drop by once in a while to see if there has been an update but past that, why bother?
Frustrating. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:02:00 -
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Thranx1231 wrote:The problem for me is some other game is going to get my attention and isn't going to string me along like this. The odds are that it will happen a half dozen times a year, as that is normal for me.
That means everything except one char with a Passive SP will be idle and it is the reason I am not kicking in the Active Boost because I have a couple games due pretty soon. And you have to keep logging in enough to keep the Passive SP cooking. Exactly how much that is remains a mystery.
So, once I come back from a game that keeps my interest for several hours at a stretch for days on end how far behind will I be? Too far and I'll walk, odds are. Next it would be just drop by once in a while to see if there has been an update but past that, why bother?
Frustrating.
Well like I said there needs to be some incentive to play, so being "required" to log in every few days and play isn't unreasonable. Being required to log in daily? It'll feel like doing Daily Quests in some MMO, which are ALWAYS a chore and horrible. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
809
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:03:00 -
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The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:05:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. .....what? |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:06:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. .....what?
I think he's saying that normal people can't or may not want to log in every day to play. |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:12:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. .....what? I think he's saying that normal people can't or may not want to log in every day to play. I figured this is easier for people to keep up, you only have to play a few matches to reach the cap. This system actually seems more bland for the no lifers imo. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
809
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:14:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. .....what? I think he's saying that normal people can't or may not want to log in every day to play.
Exactly, the no lifers complained endlessly because they want to play for hours every day, and got frustrated with getting extremely low SP returns for days on end. Now, instead, the people who can't set aside time to play the same videogame each day can't make up the SP as time permits over the course of the week, you either no-life it or you fall behind. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
126
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:18:00 -
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Yeah the rool over/Pool is the best way to do it in my opinion, basicly as someone said if someone desides to take a break from DUST lets face it alot of people will, if they take a break for lets say a month then over the life of their dust character they will always be a month behind with no way to catch up
Some would argue that a SP pool for all players would devalue sp, the sp pool/roll over are not perfect but they are the best solution, i think in this game mechanic perfect may not exist
Edit:Also baal i dont think thats why CCP did this i think this was a anti grind cap that went horribly wrong so people couldnt cap out in the first 2 days and get bored, honestly the old way was better |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:20:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:That was quick. Boosted or standard play? |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:22:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. .....what? I think he's saying that normal people can't or may not want to log in every day to play. I figured this is easier for people to keep up, you only have to play a few matches to reach the cap. This system actually seems more bland for the no lifers imo.
Except not everyone can play a few matches a day, they would rather play a large chunk of them every 3 days or so. Its the exact same system now, just on a 72 hour cycle instead of a 24. You can still log in for a few matches every day, or do you can do it all at once.
I sound like a broken record. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
968
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:27:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage.
Many vocal folks were crying about a lack of motivation after capping out for the week in just a couple days of playing. They wanted to trade seven days of capping out on smaller amounts for several days of no reward. It was explained to them that the total amount of SP gained would not increase, and they would have a bigger chance of missing some SP due to missing a day, but they kept whining enough that CCP switched to a daily cap.
Now everyone is experiencing the effect and it seems the proponents of the daily cap figured out that they didn't like that either. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:31:00 -
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@Skihids which corp are you going with? Sorry, I forgot and everything references the current status.
Sorry for OTP or just OP which has bad connotations down here in the Dust. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:37:00 -
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Funny about the QQ. I disliked the weekly but I simply started a new char. That solved it for me pretty well if I wanted to play most of the week. Without a boost the SP looked bad but char#3 wound up with more SP than char#1 and almost caught char#1. If I wanted to play less I would just choose which two were going to progress and maybe switch the Passive SP to the idler. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:41:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The problem is the vocal minority of no-lifers here on the forums whined and whined until they got their way. Daily SP benefits them and puts normal people at a disadvantage. Many vocal folks were crying about a lack of motivation after capping out for the week in just a couple days of playing. They wanted to trade seven days of capping out on smaller amounts for several days of no reward. It was explained to them that the total amount of SP gained would not increase, and they would have a bigger chance of missing some SP due to missing a day, but they kept whining enough that CCP switched to a daily cap. Now everyone is experiencing the effect and it seems the proponents of the daily cap figured out that they didn't like that either.
Well trust me, I certainly was not a proponent of a 24 hour cycle time. I've always pushed for a 3 or 4 day cycle, but I would also be perfectly content with the 7 day as well, it was most suited to people with jobs and whatnot. |
Blooticus
Regime Of Shadow Marines
26
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:50:00 -
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Darn it, just take my darn money and give me the max sp gain! What? You dont like money? Why cant i pay more to bypass active sp gain? |
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Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
311
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:53:00 -
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I usually play 3-5 matches a day for 2-3 days a week. I will probably not change my gaming habits for any SP system.
The more the game makes me worry about stupid stuff like "oh no, not playing Dust today. losing SP" the more it will feel like a chore.
We've basically gone from "can I have another glass of water?" to "can you stop pulling the glass out of my hand every time I try to take a sip?" |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:31:00 -
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But there is no ISK cap 8D |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
580
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:32:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:But there is no ISK cap 8D
Once we have some form of transfer of ISK from EVE, no one is going to care about how much ISK they can grind up in Dust. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
174
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:36:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: There are a ton of good SP system ideas on the forums if they'd look at them. IMO best one seems to be:
Weekly cap + rollover SP pool if you don't reach it.
The pool would help the newcomers into DUST "catch up" to the closed beta testers since no reset.
Love this. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:38:00 -
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I've yet to see a sound argument against an accumulating cap with diminishing returns. Seriously CCP, all the most liked forum requests regarding sp all come up with something similar: let pros keep an advantage without screwing over late starters or people who take time off. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:38:00 -
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There have been good suggestions on how to fix the SP cap thing throughout the life of the Beta. Is good to search them and read all those threads.
A simple solution would be to have an SP meter that would empty and re-fill. (edit* And make it visible. Something you can see in a UI and interact with. You could even sell SP meter refills which would essentially act like the active boosters we have now.)
The weekly cap was abysmal when I could play a few hours at peak on a weekday but then if I had more time on the weekend my SP rewards were all screwed around. It was arbitrary and senseless. And as you see in the thread kind encouraged players to be a little less than enthusiastic for a lot of the time they were playing.
Daily cap is for me better. But I would like to see SP de-emphasized and relatively difficult to earn across the board. Players seem to get their knickers in a twist over SP and it starts to seem like a much bigger deal than it really is. SP is not the be all end all of the game but it sure feels like it now.
I would also like to see a reward that has no cap. Maybe some kind of Pro points that allow players who have the time and will to unlock a some benefits that don't straight up make it easier to win. Better merc quarters. War paint. Rankings. There is a lot you could do with a third tier of rewards beyond ISK and SP. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:41:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: There are a ton of good SP system ideas on the forums if they'd look at them.
Very true. We all have a favorite solution but I have seen at least four or five suggested schemes that seem better than what we have now. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:51:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:But there is no ISK cap 8D Once we have some form of transfer of ISK from EVE, no one is going to care about how much ISK they can grind up in Dust. Not now, and everyone starts off broke, so it's still worth it. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:28:00 -
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The new CAP system gives me no intention to playing after i hit the cap. However it doe a purpose and forces me to play every day. Well you get half of the amount of SP passive thats not too bad. Dunno about you guys but as soon the server came up i instantly activated passive SP for like 37 days. Best investment for AUR in my opinion cause you get faster access to better gear and dont need to buy the AUR variants which are sooner avaible but consume after each death. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
133
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:02:00 -
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I think I finally get it.... they don't know what to do.
Seriously, a few games a day.... I haven't felt like this since I was young and got a $1.00 a day to play video games, in order to keep us amused during the summer vacation. I don't want to go back to the days of wondering if I should play Pac-Man 4 times or maybe a game of Donkey Kong or Space Invaders and save one quarter for tomorrow.
How does this translate into SKILL POINTS at this juncture? Skill points used to mean you used something X amount of times you got skilled using it, it would level out because even if you took longer than another player you could still get there eventually.
Fine if they want to have a period of Boot Camp where everyone is about the same level for like 6 months, but there comes a time, when players need 10's of thousand of SP for something else beside the useless skill they have been possibly spending some time trying out.
After that long a time period if we are still just ending up with such low SP rewards I really will be looking for another game that does have more of what I want. |
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Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:09:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Is it just me or is CCP trying to use the same strategy that almost EVERY FACEBOOK GAME EVER has.
You know, like how in order to keep playing the game you have to come back in 24 hours once your energy has recharged or whatever so that the developers keep you playing the game habitually.
>.>
Its right out of the F2P playbook, but, those games stop you from playing at all. We can still play.
There's plenty of reason to play beyond watching the SP count tick upwards. Don't corp battles and faction warfare both exclude SP gains? |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
968
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:19:00 -
[42] - Quote
Thranx1231 wrote:@Skihids which corp are you going with? Sorry, I forgot and everything references the current status.
Sorry for OTP or just OP which has bad connotations down here in the Dust.
I'm with Tritan Industries. |
KimPossible23
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
25
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:31:00 -
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Sytonis Auran wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Is it just me or is CCP trying to use the same strategy that almost EVERY FACEBOOK GAME EVER has.
You know, like how in order to keep playing the game you have to come back in 24 hours once your energy has recharged or whatever so that the developers keep you playing the game habitually.
>.> Its right out of the F2P playbook, but, those games stop you from playing at all. We can still play. There's plenty of reason to play beyond watching the SP count tick upwards. Don't corp battles and faction warfare both exclude SP gains?
So, we still get all our SP in corp battles ??? |
Kanen Serran
Prototype Technology Corp.
4
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:02:00 -
[44] - Quote
KimPossible23 wrote:Sytonis Auran wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Is it just me or is CCP trying to use the same strategy that almost EVERY FACEBOOK GAME EVER has.
You know, like how in order to keep playing the game you have to come back in 24 hours once your energy has recharged or whatever so that the developers keep you playing the game habitually.
>.> Its right out of the F2P playbook, but, those games stop you from playing at all. We can still play. There's plenty of reason to play beyond watching the SP count tick upwards. Don't corp battles and faction warfare both exclude SP gains? So, we still get all our SP in corp battles ???
AFAIK you don't get any sp for corp battles ever, just higher isk payout and potential district control, and of course epeen stroking potential |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:11:00 -
[45] - Quote
All they have to do to make the system perfect is keep what we have now, except add a 7 day rollover. That way people can play every other day, or even one day with a lot of grinding, and not get behind.
Then after the week is up, that rollover pool gets reset to start another week. Win-win for everybody. |
Rodger Forbes
Doomheim
7
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
It was a little disappointing on my first day, but I figured a cap was the case. I don't mind continuing to play for practice and grinding isk out a bit, watching others play and get ideas for different builds so all my skills aren't just in sniping and playing keep-away. lol. I'm thinking about trying out piloting or being a medic. I like supportive roles.
Anyway... it is what it is. I'm trying to make the best of it. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:22:00 -
[47] - Quote
heh blaming this on the "no lifers" typical middle class victimism, I don't think anyone wanted it this way, no lifers want to grind and get SP rewards for every match they play not the first 5. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:26:00 -
[48] - Quote
Cyn Bruin wrote: There are a ton of good SP system ideas on the forums if they'd look at them. IMO best one seems to be:
Weekly cap + rollover SP pool if you don't reach it.
The pool would help the newcomers into DUST "catch up" to the closed beta testers since no reset.
if only ccp listened........ |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
the ugly truth is the daily cap is a marketing model, you feel obligated to log in every day, your hooked to grind your daily 40k sp, and to buy boosters, or you'll be in scubby gear, just like someone said a facebook game that you have to maintain, it's the new pay model, get used to it. |
Imp Splat
On The Brink
3
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:43:00 -
[50] - Quote
That is a good idea though. SP caps not being applied to corp battles. Would allow people who want to/can grind some extra SP as well as promote cohesive teamwork and armies in general. Would also encourage people to corp up instead of pubbing all the time which will encourage semi casuals to lean a bit more hardcore and improve the game overall. |
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Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
206
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:46:00 -
[51] - Quote
ok, here is my take on this "lovely" new SP system.
1). Marketing: Simply put; this gets CCP more money so people can stay competitive to buy boosters (even though boosters are a massive waist, except passive now)
2). They are still stuck on assuming everyone will stick around seven, let me repeat, SEVEN YEARS to max ever skill. FPS's wont be here for 7 years to max out every skill. The way the game is going, they will be lucky if people stay around a year. WIth max skills we have seen (& havent hopefully), they shoudl aim at 3-4yrs to max all skills.
3). No benefit of playing atm once you hit the cap. You can't even sayto gain ISK, as in the 2-3hrs of playing, i've net 2mil ISK. Plus i have nothing to spend it on, nor will i for the first week or so. So can't say it's to far ISK. Even corp battles aren't a big draw at the moment
4). Keep us "no lifers" from getting a massive advantage. Now, i think a weekly cap was great; they just needed to increase the cap, and cost of skills to sync w/ the bigger cap; along w/ having a roll over pool; and a soft cap (a worthwhile one. not this 50SP bull we have now)
At the moment, there isn't a feeling of progress in playing. After this 1st day where we have 300k SP to spend (assuming u spent a decent amount of it), you are looking at the ability to upgrade 2-4 skills a weeks. Even in BF3 or CoD, there is a sense of achievement and advancement when you play. You get new guns, attachments, etc. Here, you simply hold your SP for 1-2 weeks, then you get to use what you wanted. Then rinse and repeat. I dont need or want the instant gratification given in said titles; but having some sense of progress is nice; but when i see my SP pool to 15k unallocated, and know that w/ the passive im to get today, and all of tomorrow i still wont have enough for the next level of skill i want
As the game is now; it really isn't fun anymore. It has become a chore to log on, play my 2-3 hours; then i log off. This is coming from someone who eagerly awaited thurdays so i could jump on and play for 50hrs in a weekend since the game was so entertaining. The main reason i even stay on after i hit the cap is to play/chat/laugh w/ my corpmates. |
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