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Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.09 23:10:00 - [1] - Quote First Wave Concept open to debate and review, input of other D514 vets welcome. Data Current as of Chromosome build First a warning: If you desire to make a new Corporation do not do so on your main character. There are three character slots per account, dedicate one of your alts to being the head of the Corp you wish to create so that the ISK and SP costs of creating and maintaining a Corp don't cost you valuable resources on the character you play. The following 'core' skills are presented as a reference for players new to the game who wish to invest their Skill Points without any 'wasted' while deciding on a role/specialization. Note: Guide does not assume the presence/use of AUR. Note2: This is an Infantry guide. While some of it will pertain to drivers/pilots it should not be assumed to be fully applicable. Note3: Categories below are defined by effect, not labeled as you will find them within the market/skill tab. Fitting Circuitry (Increased CPU) Combat Engineering (Increased PG) Dropsuit Command (Unlocks specific dropsuit skills, Lowers Profile) Defense/HP Shield Boost Systems (Increased Shield recharge rate; Unlocks Shield control) Shield control (Increased total Shields) Field Mechanics (Increased total Armor) Offensive Skills Weaponry (Increases handheld weapon damage) Mobility Vigor (Increases Stamina & Stamina recovery rate) Cheers, Cross Please note, as the game is a work in progress this post will continue to change as well. If you find comments in this thread which do not seem to apply to the current content of the OP it is likely that I have updated in response to their input. I welcome and encourage feedback on this thread from players both new and old alike.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.09 23:10:00 - [2] - Quote Second Wave These skills are highly recommended but more selective/specialized in their value. Level them when you have a sense of your chosen role on the battlefield. Note1: The following list is presented as a collection of generally useful skills. Skills omitted are not to be considered useless, nor is directly training all skills present in the following list to be construed as an optimized plan for specialized battlefield roles. Use of this list should however provide a solid level of utility regardless of chosen specialization/role thus avoiding any superfluous (i.e. "wasted") skill point expenditures. Note2: Shield Extenders and Armor Plates are often considered "either/or" investments. While I use both it is a less common practice and SP can be saved by choosing one or the other to focus on. Note3: Skills associated with equipment are not to be considered useful for a dedicated Heavy player as the heavy dropsuit line provides no equipment slots. Fitting Light/Heavy Weapon Upgrade (reduction in weapon CPU cost) Light/Heavy Weapon Upgrade Proficiency (reduction in weapon CPU cost) Chosen Dropsuit (raise to level 3) Defense/HP Dropsuit Command (Finish leveling to 5 for decreased Profile) Profile Dampening (Lowers Profile) Shield Enhancements (Unlocks Shield Extender) Armor Upgrades (Unlocks Armor Plates) Offensive Skills Chosen Weapon (Effect varies by weapon) Grenade (Unlocks higher meta variants including Flux and AV) Demolitions (Unlocks Remote Explosives, both AV and anti-personnel) Mobility Hacking (Increased control of spawn locations, faster hack speeds = continued movement) Drop Uplink Deployment (Increased number of spawn locations, Map control = tactical flexibility) Mobility (Unlocks mods to increase speed) Endurance (Increases Stamina) Restorative Nanocircuitry (Unlocks Nanoinjectors and Nanohives) Remote Repair Systems (Unlocks Repair Tools <-- Repair friendlies for points) Armor Repair Systems (Unlocks Armor Repairer <-- Repairs self, Upgrades effects of Armor Repairer)
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.09 23:10:00 - [3] - Quote AUR, BPOs and You Consideration of the utility of BPOs and AUR expenditures generally. (Topics covered will not include the relative real world monetary value of any given item/purchase. Thread shall remain focused solely on in game economics & value). *post coming soon* EDIT: continued flux in market items available and the price of said items has delayed this post.
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2013.01.10 00:48:00 - [4] - Quote Good idea Cross. Feedback: I would remove Endurance as its not as cost effective SP wise as Vigor, which is also a *3 skill. Slightly pedantic, but dropsuit command isn't a fitting skill. I feel grenedier should be added to offense too. If this is basic, then shield enhancement and (insert weapon category) enhancement could then be added to next advanced fitting.
RECON BY FIRE BetaMax. 51	Posted - 2013.01.10 04:35:00 - [5] - Quote Are speed enhancement mods common on yalls assault fittings? Id personally consider that more of a specialization for scout suits using shotguns, nova knives, etc. As such I feel like Mobility should be removed from the list. Shield enhancement should probably be added as Sytonis pointed out. Also light weapon upgrade, reload, sharpshooter, and whatever the plus to total ammo one is. Would the sensor upgrade skills (profile dampening, etc) be considered a core skill or a specialization?
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.10 05:04:00 - [6] - Quote A Core skill is actually a Skill that has a (x1) next to it and are the easiest to skill up. Speed enhancements are more valuable than most players realize. I won't give away any secrets Light Weapon upgrades are NOT universal since they are only for Light Weapons. They do not translate to certain Dropsuit types. Sensor Upgrades could be considered important but not universal or beneficial to all. Keep the faith.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.10 14:24:00 - [7] - Quote How about if I add a sub section for "widely useful but not quite universal skills" or for secondary skills? I'm attempting to keep it as general as possible at this stage since once someone knows what role they'll play figuring out things like what weapon to use etc becomes easier, also there are guides for specific roles so why reinvent the wheel? Thoughts? Cheers, Cross
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:37:00 - [8] - Quote With regards to the stamina skills, I take them for the stamina gain and not to unlock mods. If core skills are mainly 1 skills, then the speed skills on that basis shouldn't be there as they are 3. Cross, I would call this basic core, just because they are universal. Drop the *1 prerequisite. Just solid skills all suits will benefit from. You could then do advanced core skills that take into account equipment etc.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2013.01.11 00:18:00 - [9] - Quote I'd put Nanocircuitry in there too as at just level 1 it allows both the injector and hive at basic level which are bothe very cheap and much less rezource hungry than the militia versions allowing more scope to fittings ... Though again this is no use for heavy class. Also you could use one of your reserved replies for a list of the AUR BPO modules worth investing in if they have some AUR ... it onoy costs a few hundred for shield extender, armor rep, injector, hive, damage mods, ... anyone with others to add ?
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2013.01.11 12:01:00 - [10] - Quote Free Healing wrote: A Core skill is actually a Skill that has a (x1) next to it and are the easiest to skill up. Speed enhancements are more valuable than most players realize. I won't give away any secrets Light Weapon upgrades are NOT universal since they are only for Light Weapons. They do not translate to certain Dropsuit types. Sensor Upgrades could be considered important but not universal or beneficial to all. Keep the faith. Your in the training ground and wish to keep your secrets to your self? GTFO. And dont say stupid contradicting ****.

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 197	Posted - 2013.01.11 16:22:00 - [11] - Quote First thing i did without even a thought needed was to get Weaponry V. 10% bonus to all weapons... has anyone NOT done it??? Next up is fitting and shield/armor buffer skills. Again useful for everything. I would say at least Lv3 to start with After that is when i would say to start specializing.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.17 22:58:00 - [12] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Free Healing wrote: A Core skill is actually a Skill that has a (x1) next to it and are the easiest to skill up. Speed enhancements are more valuable than most players realize. I won't give away any secrets Light Weapon upgrades are NOT universal since they are only for Light Weapons. They do not translate to certain Dropsuit types. Sensor Upgrades could be considered important but not universal or beneficial to all. Keep the faith. Your in the training ground and wish to keep your secrets to your self? GTFO. And dont say stupid contradicting ****. not that hard to figure out. Faster moving targets are harder to hit and can overrun enemy positions with alarming frequency and speed. Minmatar standard tactic, utilizes complex kinetic catalyzers ideally. On a scout suit the speed boost becomes insane, Minmatar logi can also stack a lot of catalyzers and become stupid-fast.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.17 23:05:00 - [13] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: As such I feel like Mobility should be removed from the list. Speed Kills. Nowhere is this more self-evident than a fatsuit rapidly deploying himself to enemy hotspots in a freebie LAV. The faster you can put resources on target the less time the enemy has to react. Minmatar suits are going to give you nightmares when they come out if you don't consider mobility a factor.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.21 03:11:00 - [14] - Quote @Needless Sacermendor, Good idea thanks for bringing it up, I'll make that the topic of my third post. Cheers, Cross
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.22 22:31:00 - [15] - Quote Welcome to all our new players, I hope this post provides some useful information. Cheers, Cross
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.22 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Free Healing wrote: A Core skill is actually a Skill that has a (x1) next to it and are the easiest to skill up. Speed enhancements are more valuable than most players realize. I won't give away any secrets Light Weapon upgrades are NOT universal since they are only for Light Weapons. They do not translate to certain Dropsuit types. Sensor Upgrades could be considered important but not universal or beneficial to all. Keep the faith. Your in the training ground and wish to keep your secrets to your self? GTFO. And dont say stupid contradicting **. not that hard to figure out. Faster moving targets are harder to hit and can overrun enemy positions with alarming frequency and speed. Minmatar standard tactic, utilizes complex kinetic catalyzers ideally. On a scout suit the speed boost becomes insane, Minmatar logi can also stack a lot of catalyzers and become stupid-fast. @Guinevere - My post regarding secrets was primarily a joke. Originally it was supposed to get people wondering what secrets could lie in Speed and Stamina modules and create Intrigue and encourage testing. As Breaking Stuff said, figuring out how they could be useful isn't that hard, just have to use your imagination a little. I fail to see how anything i put in that post is contradictory. Maybe you wandered into this post after Cross updated the main post so it looked like what i was saying didn't mean anything, i'm not sure, but i'd gladly listen to what you think i said was "contradicting **". Keep the faith.
Drunkscotsman SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.01.23 11:58:00 - [17] - Quote I was just wondering. What does power grid and cpu do?
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.23 16:41:00 - [18] - Quote Drunkscotsman wrote: I was just wondering. What does power grid and cpu do? Power grid and CPU are both attributes of your chosen dropsuit (or vehicle for that matter). Every weapon or mod you fit into a slot on your suit carries with it a PG and CPU cost. The combined cost of all weapons and mods you fit to a suit must be equal to or less than the total PG and CPU of that suit (otherwise the fitting is marked as invalid and you won't be able to deploy it to the battlefield). On a related topic, there are mods that can be fit to increase PG or CPU, however they take up fitting slots which can be used for other things (such as increasing your damage or HP) so use of skills to increase your PG/CPU is ideal as it leaves you more slots to use for customizing your fitting. Cheers, Cross
Perseus Gallento Mikwon Dynamics 12	Posted - 2013.01.23 20:13:00 - [19] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Armor Repair Systems (Unlocks Armor Repairer <-- Repairs self, Upgrades effects of Armor Repairer) Has the underlined statement been confirmed? I was wondering...
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.23 20:35:00 - [20] - Quote Perseus Gallento wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Armor Repair Systems (Unlocks Armor Repairer <-- Repairs self, Upgrades effects of Armor Repairer) Has the underlined statement been confirmed? I was wondering... Thanks for reading, in answer to your question I present the following. From the in game skill text Quote: +3% armor repair rate per level Meaning that at level 5 of the skill any armor repair mod that you use will cycle (and thus repair) 15% faster. Cheers, Cross

Perseus Gallento Mikwon Dynamics 12	Posted - 2013.01.23 20:38:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Regarding Speed Skills: not that hard to figure out. Faster moving targets are harder to hit and can overrun enemy positions with alarming frequency and speed. Minmatar standard tactic, utilizes complex kinetic catalyzers ideally. On a scout suit the speed boost becomes insane, Minmatar logi can also stack a lot of catalyzers and become stupid-fast. Case in point: Try going up against Annie Oakley in her Uber Fast Scout Suit wielding a shotty. OMG! Like trying to catch a fly with chopsticks.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.01.24 23:23:00 - [22] - Quote ^Oh yes, the Shotgun twins are a deadly example of how speed kills. So much so that I've heard a few people question whether or not they're hacking somehow (having squaded with them I can say with confidence that they are not, which doesn't make them any easier to deal with )
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.10 16:23:00 - [23] - Quote bump
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:08:00 - [24] - Quote As always Cross, on the ball here with REAL core skills the newbloods need to have. Passive defensive Passive offensive and Fitting elements (upgraded suit PG/CPU, lowered PG/CPU usage) But one error I note: Cross Atu wrote: Vigor (Increases Stamina & Stamina recovery rate) Vigor increases STA regen Endurance increases base STA Brutal that it's split between two skills so it's a tough call as to which is better. For speedsters Vigor (the Regen) is probably more important but for logis and fattys just having the STA to run with your team is more and thus Endurance for us slower, heavier guys, is more vital in my opinion. If Speedy Gonzales runs out of range of my repper, that's his fault. Especially for logi, having that extra 10m of running time can save lives.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.25 17:22:00 - [25] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: As always Cross, on the ball here with REAL core skills the newbloods need to have. Passive defensive Passive offensive and Fitting elements (upgraded suit PG/CPU, lowered PG/CPU usage) But one error I note: Cross Atu wrote: Vigor (Increases Stamina & Stamina recovery rate) Vigor increases STA regen Endurance increases base STA Brutal that it's split between two skills so it's a tough call as to which is better. For speedsters Vigor (the Regen) is probably more important but for logis and fattys just having the STA to run with your team is more and thus Endurance for us slower, heavier guys, is more vital in my opinion. If Speedy Gonzales runs out of range of my repper, that's his fault. Especially for logi, having that extra 10m of running time can save lives. First, thanks for the response, and for your work on the skill calc (for those who haven't seen it, check it out). Secondly my listing for Vigor is accurate. Your description was indeed correct until CCP altered it a little while back. As of this posting Vigor increases both total stamina and rate of regeneration, while Endurance still raises only total stamina. They are also still both (3x) skills, along with Mobility. At present the most effective method for leveling the three up would be Vigor L5 > Endurance L5 > Mobility L5. Thanks again for the response Cheers, Cross
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 170	Posted - 2013.02.25 21:50:00 - [26] - Quote Derp, I feel like an ass now. Sorry Cross and thanks. I wonder if that's connected to the Cardiac Regulator and Stimulant also being combined into a single module (which I didn't even realize until just last week). I have to go through and read all the skill descriptions and details again. ___________ A strong man can do many things, But the strongest knows he can't do everything alone.
Israckcatarac Opus Arcana Orion Empire 3	Posted - 2013.02.27 00:17:00 - [27] - Quote Mobility, Mobility,Mobility,Mobility, The mods are broken so they affect not only sprint speed but base speed you get to zoom left, right,back,forward and up at insane speed's making the target near to impossible to hit. You wanted to know the super secrets of the best players out there there ya have it.
Alderstaz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.27 01:23:00 - [28] - Quote I wish someone had told me to get grenade 1 and nanohive 2 so I would be carrying 3 of each. They make a big difference, more than tweaking the core skills will. At beginning. Biggest bang for KDR, after not doing stupid things. I saw how AR was much better than its militia version, but didnt realize you will carry above two for thousands and thousands of clones too.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 832	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:02:00 - [29] - Quote *In light of Planetary Conquest* I highly encourage players to take note of the following** Defense skills are your friends, clones are going to cost ISK meaning that the new cost per death (CDR matters infinitely more than KDR). The quick and dirty is that (if things stay as initial information suggests) each clone will cost you more than your high level gear. So if you plan to participate in holding turf and building a Corp then make sure you can stay alive, otherwise you're looking at going broke in a hurry. Cheers, Cross
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 153	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:52:00 - [30] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: So if you plan to participate in holding turf and building a Corp then make sure you can stay alive, otherwise you're looking at going broke in a hurry. I'd rather win and lose a few clones. Losing because I was worried about dying means I shouldn't have gone to the fight at all. If noobs can't make any money from PC, they should just stick to pub matches until they get better. CCP might give them something bigger corps don't care about, I don't know. Fight to win, or don't fight at all.



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