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Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 833	Posted - 2013.03.22 05:01:00 - [31] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Cross Atu wrote: So if you plan to participate in holding turf and building a Corp then make sure you can stay alive, otherwise you're looking at going broke in a hurry. I'd rather win and lose a few clones. Losing because I was worried about dying means I shouldn't have gone to the fight at all. If noobs can't make any money from PC, they should just stick to pub matches until they get better. CCP might give them something bigger corps don't care about, I don't know. Fight to win, or don't fight at all. 0 I think you misunderstand the point of my post. Related info: Dev Blog http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/planetary-conquest/ CCP Wiki http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_Conquest Clone Price Biomass per damaged clone 50,000 ISK Clone sold from district 100,000 ISK Clone bought from Genolution 200,000 ISK In short clones will now cost ISK, not just fittings. And anyone who plays consistently at an ISK loss is losing, sure they may win a few battles but they will lose the war. As such it's important for new players to be made aware that the KDR focused "glass cannon" builds which are viable within some other shooters aren't going to work long term in Dust and to plan accordingly by getting the most out of each clone and piece of gear. Which in turn means leveling up defense and support skills. After all it doesn't matter how good your KDR is if you're losing ISK match by match eventually you won't have a clone to spawn into. 0.02 ISK Cross
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 153	Posted - 2013.03.22 05:31:00 - [32] - Quote I did not miss your point. 200k isk is nothing, and people already run around in suits that cost 200k isk. But it's nice to know that some people care about their CDR. All it means is that if I fight you, I just have to kill you a couple of times and you'll run away :> But seriously, fight to win or don't fight at all. Also, high level gear costs more than a clone. It's over 200k isk, and you won't be anywhere near that with most of the clones that you use. The districts we are fighting for give money too, so fighting at a loss of isk initially can lead to a gain in isk later on. I have no respect for the people who run away and drop out of a battle, especially if it's a battle you committed to. If you lose money, you lose money. Go do pub matches in a free suit to earn it back if you have to. From an EVE or other MMO standpoint, that might be fine. From my standpoint, it's not. The people I see who do that lose every time. You probably meant something else, or didn't expect it to be taken that way, but there you go. And I don't understand why you dislike the "glass cannon" builds anyways. People do it because it works. Most players who do it also make a lot of ISK. Just because some people have trouble with it does not mean that it's a terrible setup, and/or should not be used. I guess I should make my own guide for what I think noobs should do and stop commenting here :P lol
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 834	Posted - 2013.03.22 05:58:00 - [33] - Quote I'm not sure how saying "fight to win or don't fight at all" makes any sense. How is leveling up your core/support skills to maximize the effect gained from the gear you field not fighting to win? For that matter how is keeping track of the cost per death (fits + clones) not fighting to win? Getting a whole lot of kills while still running at an average loss isn't a winning tactic. Sure holding ground can making you some ISK but relying on that to offset poor overall play (i.e. losing more than you bring in) doesn't make any sense either. Keeping track of CDR is about assessment and adaptation, not "running away". It's maximizing possible effect/rewards vs risks taken on. Zerging a specific objective while being killed over and over again isn't effective nor desirable and it doesn't often get the job done. The point I'm making is about resource management and gear maximization I have no idea where all your talk about dropping battles and running away is coming from that has zero to do with what I'm talking about and since you keep bringing it up I have to keep wondering (despite your assertions to the contrary) if you've understood my posts at all. Many Corps (my own included) plan to provide fittings support for conquest and contract battles once CCP enables that aspect of the game, I mention this because it's a source of much of my objection to glass cannon builds. Granted there are a few players who can make them work, I'm not disputing that but it's not the average. More commonly a glass cannon build results in either A) a player spending lots of ISK/SP only to find frustration as their high expense fit is burned down in moments by an opportunistic attack from a militia weapon. or B) a player who misconceives themselves as being "successful" because their in match KDR is high, even though they are running at an average loss match by match when it comes to ISK. Neither A nor B is something which an effective Corp wants to be funding, nor is it on balance valuable tactical behavior. Simply because the select few can make that work doesn't mean it's something which should be advocated to new players, more often than not it's throwing good ISK after bad. In any event, just so there's no confusion, I do not nor have I at any point advocated dropping from matches or abandoning the field without a fight even in a pub match (much less within a more significant context). I do know however that playing to win isn't equal to spending lots of ISK. I've had games where I go 20/2 or better, I've had games where I go 2/14 or worse but in both cases I earn over 1500 WP, I stay in the black on ISK and I keep the pressure on throughout the game win or lose. Use the right tool for the right job, and the right tool isn't always the most expensive gun on the market. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ You are of course entitled to your own tactical outlook and if yours differs fundamentally from what I've presented here then by all means create a guide of your own with your reasons and let the new players read both and use whatever they like from either/both
Ten Wolves Penumbra Military Industrial Complex 0	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:26:00 - [34] - Quote This was very help full, thanks.
Michael Arck Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.03.30 05:03:00 - [35] - Quote Great read. Thanks alot for your work Cross. I needed to learn some things
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 885	Posted - 2013.04.22 06:08:00 - [36] - Quote @Ten and Michael, I'm glad it was helpful. Welcome to New Eden (oh and an aside for those who don't play EVE, usually when that phrase is used something bad has happened to someone, I simply enjoy employing it sometimes in a less sarcastic context) Cheers, Cross


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