You are so mad.



But I kind of agree.

Some people didn't understand the meaning of MMO/F2P !!!

And it's just the beginning...

Relax and have a homebrew.

With no boosters you can earn 1.4M SP a month, that's pretty good. With all boosters it goes to 2.1 M SP. Within 4-5 months you'll be where you are right now, not to bad if you ask me.

Plus, most good players can just run a free dragonfly speed suit with a militia shotti and rule the field, no SP needed.

seriously? after all these SP plans have been proposed you do nothing about it? infact you make it worse by making those with IRL money even more dominant?!? this is simply a joke, I used to be able to buy a 3-day booster, burn my SP, and not have to spend all that much money, but now just to stay f*cking competitive I have to pay you every F*CKING WEEK! legitimately CCP, I hate you, I hate you with a burning passion, and if there was any other half-decent FPS w/ a community you would drop like a rock. You're one of the most one-sided, ridiculous game devs I've ever seen, whenever such a large portion of a game has ever complained about something SO MUCH, it has gotten changed, in any other game.

This is an FPS, we are not EVE scrubs, we want balance, we want to be able to fight veterans with proto gear if we have militia simply because we can catch up to their SP with hard work, SKILL, and determination. YOU are creating a game that YOU want to live for what was it? 7 years? but you design it to be a one to three year game! this is out of hand CCP. You're ideas are so contradictive I do not even know what to say about them other than LISTEN TO US!

seriously? after all these SP plans have been proposed you do nothing about it? infact you make it worse by making those with IRL money even more dominant?!? this is simply a joke, I used to be able to buy a 3-day booster, burn my SP, and not have to spend all that much money, but now just to stay f*cking competitive I have to pay you every F*CKING WEEK! legitimately CCP, I hate you, I hate you with a burning passion, and if there was any other half-decent FPS w/ a community you would drop like a rock. You're one of the most one-sided, ridiculous game devs I've ever seen, whenever such a large portion of a game has ever complained about something SO MUCH, it has gotten changed, in any other game.

This is an FPS, we are not EVE scrubs, we want balance, we want to be able to fight veterans with proto gear if we have militia simply because we can catch up to their SP with hard work, SKILL, and determination. YOU are creating a game that YOU want to live for what was it? 7 years? but you design it to be a one to three year game! this is out of hand CCP. You're ideas are so contradictive I do not even know what to say about them other than LISTEN TO US!

seriously? after all these SP plans have been proposed you do nothing about it? infact you make it worse by making those with IRL money even more dominant?!? this is simply a joke, I used to be able to buy a 3-day booster, burn my SP, and not have to spend all that much money, but now just to stay f*cking competitive I have to pay you every F*CKING WEEK! legitimately CCP, I hate you, I hate you with a burning passion, and if there was any other half-decent FPS w/ a community you would drop like a rock. You're one of the most one-sided, ridiculous game devs I've ever seen, whenever such a large portion of a game has ever complained about something SO MUCH, it has gotten changed, in any other game.

This is an FPS, we are not EVE scrubs, we want balance, we want to be able to fight veterans with proto gear if we have militia simply because we can catch up to their SP with hard work, SKILL, and determination. YOU are creating a game that YOU want to live for what was it? 7 years? but you design it to be a one to three year game! this is out of hand CCP. You're ideas are so contradictive I do not even know what to say about them other than LISTEN TO US!

Eve deals with just passive sp. youre all whining about losing a boost you were givin. Learn to walk without the crutches ladies.

Gtfo - you're in the wrong game. Eve is somewhere else. This is DUST514 - different game completely. So please stop comparing two different genres under the same microscope.

Gtfo - you're in the wrong game. Eve is somewhere else. This is DUST514 - different game completely. So please stop comparing two different genres under the same microscope.

Two different games link, based in the same universe, same story line, same technology, fighting the same wars on the same planets, weapons and armor supplyied from one game to the other.

yes two completely different games

You're an idiot.

Dust and EVE are the same damn game as of Thursday.

They just get played in different ways.

And wow. You guys are really crapping out some arrogance today. Try to keep your idioicy down and stop comparing two different genres of games.

It is pretty stupid they did it this way. Now i gotta keep boosters active 7 days week if i want to keep up with people. An not sure if the sp system is for casuals or hardcore players. Cause a casual palyer is going to fall behind alot if he doesnt buy boosters n doesnt play every day.

This sp system just suks an i know alot of people are just going to say fuk this

Gtfo - you're in the wrong game. Eve is somewhere else. This is DUST514 - different game completely. So please stop comparing two different genres under the same microscope.

You're an obvious Troll at best, but you could at least put some effort into it and vary it so it looks like an actual opinion and discussion rather than you just trying to look like an ignorant little 15 year old console player.


Different Genres yes, different games? no.

Icy Tiger: SP and new guns/suits will not make people log in to play. That's the player generated content.

erm... I thought the whole point was to make it ONE game...

Glad you understand the difference between a space MMO and an FPS MMO. Would of been troubling if you hadn't.

Well the case being you would rather focus on the differences, and actually make them two completely different games, in which case the whole point of Dust 514 would be lost. They are two sides of the one game and getting all emotional and upset and trying to bully your bully your opinion across really is a waste of enegry.

and would it really be troubling if I didn't understand the difference, I interested to know just how troubling this would be?

SP is not as important as you tards are making out.

I took a 2 month break and have millions less SP than the top guys and can still take them.

I've also got 1m SP invested in corp skills.

That's about 4-5m million... Litterally HALF the sp of people like the dark cloud and i can still play just fine.

I'm going to say one thing. Casual players and people with not enough time aren't going to wait for 2 weeks to unlock that one new gun. They will not wait months for the best suit.

You realise that PVP is already NOT the only thing to do in Dust? If you run a corp or get involved with the Metagame it's much more interesting than the PVP.

There's also the aspects they plan to add, battle commander, production etc will all be without you taking part in direct PVP.

You're not looking at the big picutre and CCP has to lay down the foundations for things to work in the future.

If you don't like it, find something else to play?...

You realise that PVP is already NOT the only thing to do in Dust? If you run a corp or get involved with the Metagame it's much more interesting than the PVP.

There's also the aspects they plan to add, battle commander, production etc will all be without you taking part in direct PVP.

You're not looking at the big picutre and CCP has to lay down the foundations for things to work in the future.

If you don't like it, find something else to play?...

I am just gonna throw in my two cents and say that I am one of the players who hates just grinding for SP for a month to unlock something. Just IMO.

Maybe I am a stereotypical scrub CODboi (I dont consider myself a total fan of theirs, but I do like their game to a degree), or a BF3boi, or a MAGboi. Idk.

But it just discourages me from playing DUST when I have to grind for weeks to unlock something new.

Possibly, a solution is to add a ton of new stuff to the game, in other words make the barirer to fully skilling everything the amount of skills, not the time taken to skill them.

And honestly I dont care about no lifers getting way ahead of everyone. Who said life was fair? There will always be 24/7 players, a low SP cap in fact makes ME less likely to play. Let me earn what I earn and keep it.


This is all opinion and by no means right, but its just how I feel...

You realise that PVP is already NOT the only thing to do in Dust? If you run a corp or get involved with the Metagame it's much more interesting than the PVP.

There's also the aspects they plan to add, battle commander, production etc will all be without you taking part in direct PVP.

You're not looking at the big picutre and CCP has to lay down the foundations for things to work in the future.

If you don't like it, find something else to play?...

Every single new player who downloads this game will be first focusing on PvP (and most players who decide to stick with the game will continue to only focus on PvP). If the PvP does not impress, they will immediately quit playing and delete the game off their hard drive before they ever get a chance to try out other features of this game. They payed nothing for the game and have no incentive to continue playing if the game doesn't give a good first impression.

The PvP has to be good. It has to feel familiar to people transitioning from other games and has to be newbie friendly. This strict SP cap is not newb friendly.

It's also worth noting that there's going to be racial versions of all the guns and suits that will feel unique and they will need training if you want to use them.

Corp battles maybe all proto in theory but believe me, proto gear will not win the match.

Superior tactics, planning and money will win. Not much point having proto suits if theres nothing on the market or you can't buy them.

As for what i know, i know more about what's planned for this game than most do, ask Shad to confirm that for you.

Lmao - this guy only focuses on what he wants - doesn't he? This explains all the comments I read about you - sure is funny to see it first hand. And also stop acting like you can read CCP's mind - they have released so little info on how the non pvp aspect of this game works that any notion you put forth to counter me is nothing be he said she said crap. The discussion is on the SP - not your idea of Eve vs DUST. Comparing two different genres no matter how closely tied in the way you are doing it is a very **** poor idea.

Anyways - Cerebral hasn't said anything to add to this discussion - the SP system is crap - it's too valued to DUST players compared to Eve for CCP to just push it aside and use an over-simplicated system like this.

The roll back idea that pushes un-earned SP for the day to the next until it reaches a weekly reset is brilliant.

seriously? after all these SP plans have been proposed you do nothing about it? infact you make it worse by making those with IRL money even more dominant?!? this is simply a joke, I used to be able to buy a 3-day booster, burn my SP, and not have to spend all that much money, but now just to stay f*cking competitive I have to pay you every F*CKING WEEK! legitimately CCP, I hate you, I hate you with a burning passion, and if there was any other half-decent FPS w/ a community you would drop like a rock. You're one of the most one-sided, ridiculous game devs I've ever seen, whenever such a large portion of a game has ever complained about something SO MUCH, it has gotten changed, in any other game.

This is an FPS, we are not EVE scrubs, we want balance, we want to be able to fight veterans with proto gear if we have militia simply because we can catch up to their SP with hard work, SKILL, and determination. YOU are creating a game that YOU want to live for what was it? 7 years? but you design it to be a one to three year game! this is out of hand CCP. You're ideas are so contradictive I do not even know what to say about them other than LISTEN TO US!

I got banned from the forum the last time i posted something from a conversation with a CCP employee because Shad reported me for it, hence he can confirm it.

Oh? Are you allowed to share any of that information? If not - must be nice to be allowed to share that you know more then others. Really helps us build respect for CCP and who they chose to disclose information too.

post above: Again - stop comparing EvE with Dust - dust won't have traveling mining tanks to gather minerals... I think? Lmao. Now you have me so curious on CCP's ideas that my imagination is taking off in several directions.

Why anyone would spend money on Tryhard514 in the first place is lolz to me.



Terrible game that requires no skill. Proto gear against randomz in militia gear over hours yo.

Why anyone would spend money on Tryhard514 in the first place is lolz to me.



Terrible game that requires no skill. Proto gear against randomz in militia gear over hours yo.

And you notice that CCP have been mostly completely tight lipped right? Cerebral has access to the CSMs, who talk to CCP quite often. So maybe they won't have mining vehicles and maybe they will. If they don't at first then at some point they might just add them. I'm hoping still hoping to get to see Vo' shun at some point. If they add it.....

Yo! If you be hating on this game so much why you still here playing with your bothers? yo.

UFFFFF!!!

Enuff already!

[Bangs tinfoil helmet against Merc Quarters wall repeatedly]

I'm here just for the metagame personally and i've had a lot of fun playing it to be quite honest. I've made great friends and what i hope are going to be great enemies.

I couldn't agree more - which is why this SP discussion needs to be taken seriously to make sure the foundation of the game is one where anyone can pick up and enjoy. Not feel like you have to quit your job to keep up with no lifers to not get gunned down in the blink of an eye.

I think the meta will attract people - but the functionality of the PvP and how it interacts with every aspect of the game will keep them staying for more.

Not totally true, a lot of people play EVE just because they are mouth breathing pubbies who think mining is fun and that's never been suggested as a play point for EVE.

You know... I could have just said this instead!

+1

Nobody is downloading this game to mine space rocks.

Nobody is downloading this game to mine space rocks.

That's actually a really good post but the thing is people are overlooking that you don't need any more than 3-4m SP to be "at your best",

Once you have the right skills for your spec, anything above that is a bonus and don't really change the game or make you better at it, it just gives you more options on what you can do in a particular situation. Honestly, people who are complaining about SP are the ones who have been trying SO HARD to keep up with everyone else, if they took a break like many of us have they'll see it's made no difference to their game.

They can cry and claim Corp fights as much as they want but there's nothing in this game that can't be fixed by throwing several million ISK at it.

That's actually a really good post but the thing is people are overlooking that you don't need any more than 3-4m SP to be "at your best",

Once you have the right skills for your spec, anything above that is a bonus and don't really change the game or make you better at it, it just gives you more options on what you can do in a particular situation. Honestly, people who are complaining about SP are the ones who have been trying SO HARD to keep up with everyone else, if they took a break like many of us have they'll see it's made no difference to their game.

They can cry and claim Corp fights as much as they want but there's nothing in this game that can't be fixed by throwing several million ISK at it.

got milk?

too much cod. too much casual game play.

if you think it's bad now... how are you gonna manage null sec?

or will it be "screw you ccp... everyone in hi sec should earn the same as everyone in null!!"



Peace
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Agreed to both posts, BUT, you have 3 characters to play with everyday. Specialise each one. Once you hit the 50 SP cap with one switch to the other. This helps keep the game fresh. Only issue I have with the current build is having to reload if you want to switch characters. If in game switching becomes a reality then what is to complain about really?

I couldn't agree more - which is why this SP discussion needs to be taken seriously to make sure the foundation of the game is one where anyone can pick up and enjoy. Not feel like you have to quit your job to keep up with no lifers to not get gunned down in the blink of an eye.

I think the meta will attract people - but the functionality of the PvP and how it interacts with every aspect of the game will keep them staying for more.

That's 9 hours of gameplay per day, i have a family. I'll be lucky if i get 3 hours in dust per WEEK but you don't hear me bitching that everyone else will have huge advantages over me with SP because i know it's not important.

I have no skill, and use militia gear. If I my none fpsing butt can get kills on people in good gear then so can everyone else. Fact of the matter is even though I'm not in a corp with this character, I'm smart enough to stick with the squad or at least a squad that seems capable. If you run around like most of the people I've seen in COD of BF games like they were rambo then of course you're going to get splattered. If it doesn't work in real life, then it shouldn't work in game. At least this one, the others can keep their movie and arm chair general gimmickry.

I probably kill more proto gear players in my militia gear than anybody.

I probably kill more proto gear players in my militia gear than anybody.

yeahh your just a meat shield scrub, so Get gud


I'm sorry z, I still love you, now be my meat shield not fizzy's<3







back to topic, SP is fine, we need something for players to do other then worry about SP gains.