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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:18:00 -
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The targeting is improved but could still use further refinement, however I'm going to focus this post on another aspect of the revival system, the desire to be revived.
If the current "man down" icon were altered so that it only appeared on the screen after a player hits the button to request help this would allow players who are downed control over if/when they're revived while not creating situations where a Logi gets shot and/or wastes time trying to revive someone who's going to "refuse the revive" (as per other suggestions on the topic).
On a related subject, effective revivals could be increased and time wasted reduced by connecting the current blink mechanic to the heartbeat thus signaling (among those who've requested help) the imminence of bleed out allowing true triage decisions to be made within the battle.
TL;DR
Make the revival icon only show up if help is requested.
Make the flashing of the revival icon sync with the heart beat of bleed out.
Cheers,
Cross |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:19:00 -
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Useful this would be, a +1 you get. |
Valmar Shadereaver
Lost-Legion
18
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:40:00 -
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good system beter then wat we curently have i hate trying to revive ppl and get shot when they just cansel before you get there +1 |
Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2013.01.08 02:32:00 -
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yes
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Keep the faith. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:41:00 -
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Fixes a few rants in short order.
Well played sir, well played.
+1 |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
172
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:36:00 -
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Lol everyone that has posted so far has had a logi profile pic.
As for you Cross, you always have wonderful ways to make this game better and I support every one of them. Thank you for being awesome :D |
XINERA XIOS
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
14
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:03:00 -
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I don't like the idea of not showing the Icon, because a few people are to lazy to hit it (does it anything right now???)
I would like if the icon is turning red or something like this if you hit the button (or jump or spreading stars i don't know...)
P.S.: Co-Co-Combo breaker  Shayz |
Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:14:00 -
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actually that makes things easyer on all ppl, the medics need a proper signal to even use. oh and sorry not a logi,i'm a mid - heavy with a nack for rapid fire atlong ranges XD sorry not a logi XD
but yeah great idea, makes sense to make it work in such a fasion. |
Terram Nenokal
BetaMax.
115
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:49:00 -
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Would love all of this. +1 |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:15:00 -
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lil bump |
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I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
172
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Posted - 2013.01.13 00:52:00 -
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I don't know why this isn't already in the game, as that is how most people would assume the "call for help" button works. |
I'm Fluffy
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
3
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:31:00 -
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definately agree, especially the blink to the heart rate. We definately need some way to determine who to revive and how long we have to do it. |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:40:00 -
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I like the Idea. One I also play medic in a scout outfit, with just reviving people. I also I have a logic outfit. What really annoys me is people who die only 20 yards from me and they don't do any thing, they don't hit request button. I go in under fire with people covering for me and when I get there, they hit respawn button. So I put me and my squad in danger for nothing. if I didn't see the icon in the first place, I would of never gone for him. |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:49:00 -
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Agreed with OP's proposals.
How about some indicator showing which downed infantry is your squad too? |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:55:00 -
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Sytonis Auran wrote:Agreed with OP's proposals.
How about some indicator showing which downed infantry is your squad too?
I disagree with that, Then People will just go to their squad to revive them, even if they are further away and put them before the team. Where they might of been able do both. They go to squad member and revive them and run back and their time limit is up and they respawn. Not knowing who you are reviving helps in the fairness. |
mystus no1
Industrie und Handels Konsortium
Tribunal Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:11:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
Make the revival icon only show up if help is requested.
Make the flashing of the revival icon sync with the heart beat of bleed out.
Yes please!
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TheBLAZZED
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
62
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:39:00 -
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awesome idea |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2013.01.14 01:17:00 -
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Personally would prefer it if revives were removed altogether. I lost that battle a long time ago, though :'(
These ideas aren't bad though. My only suggestion would be to update the actual topic of the OP to make it more clear at a glance what you're suggesting :) |
Yalena Yazria
Wings of Grace
Double Tap.
1
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Posted - 2013.01.14 01:33:00 -
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I like this idea, +1 ^_^ |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:07:00 -
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This should definitely be added. |
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Imp Smash
On The Brink
51
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Posted - 2013.01.14 04:09:00 -
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On the other side of this I would ask y'all to consider the feedback for the downed unit. Often times I'll be down and I get the message sayin there is a triage in the area. Great! But sometimes they just aren't heading my way.
I think a lot of people bleed out because they don't know someone is on the way to stick em. Having the logis on the radar show that they are logis thereby allowing down clones to know if someone is on their way and they can wait, or if no one is on route and they might as well respawn would go a long way towards avoiding....misunderstandings. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:53:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:On the other side of this I would ask y'all to consider the feedback for the downed unit. Often times I'll be down and I get the message sayin there is a triage in the area. Great! But sometimes they just aren't heading my way.
I think a lot of people bleed out because they don't know someone is on the way to stick em. Having the logis on the radar show that they are logis thereby allowing down clones to know if someone is on their way and they can wait, or if no one is on route and they might as well respawn would go a long way towards avoiding....misunderstandings.
I approve this concept, thanks for sharing +1 |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:43:00 -
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bump |
Government CheeseBurger
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
232
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:50:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:The targeting is improved but could still use further refinement, however I'm going to focus this post on another aspect of the revival system, the desire to be revived.
If the current "man down" icon were altered so that it only appeared on the screen after a player hits the button to request help this would allow players who are downed control over if/when they're revived while not creating situations where a Logi gets shot and/or wastes time trying to revive someone who's going to "refuse the revive" (as per other suggestions on the topic).
On a related subject, effective revivals could be increased and time wasted reduced by connecting the current blink mechanic to the heartbeat thus signaling (among those who've requested help) the imminence of bleed out allowing true triage decisions to be made within the battle.
TL;DR
Make the revival icon only show up if help is requested.
Make the flashing of the revival icon sync with the heart beat of bleed out.
Cheers,
Cross
I would love to +1 like this but you have 514 and I just cant bring my self to mess that one up. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:54:00 -
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Government CheeseBurger wrote:Cross Atu wrote:The targeting is improved but could still use further refinement, however I'm going to focus this post on another aspect of the revival system, the desire to be revived.
If the current "man down" icon were altered so that it only appeared on the screen after a player hits the button to request help this would allow players who are downed control over if/when they're revived while not creating situations where a Logi gets shot and/or wastes time trying to revive someone who's going to "refuse the revive" (as per other suggestions on the topic).
On a related subject, effective revivals could be increased and time wasted reduced by connecting the current blink mechanic to the heartbeat thus signaling (among those who've requested help) the imminence of bleed out allowing true triage decisions to be made within the battle.
TL;DR
Make the revival icon only show up if help is requested.
Make the flashing of the revival icon sync with the heart beat of bleed out.
Cheers,
Cross I would love to +1 like this but you have 514 and I just cant bring my self to mess that one up.
I didn't even notice that, +1 for bringing it to my attention  |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:22:00 -
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Both excellent ideas.
I'd also like it if, when you are downed, the friendly with a nanite injector in your area appears differently on your minimap, as a + or something insead of a circle. Just so you can see whether the nanite injector is moving to revive you, or running past you and away from your corpse, or temporarily engaging an enemy nearby but potentially coming to get you if he wins, or what. |
Wei Ghjuvan
BetaMax.
6
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:32:00 -
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Lots of great ideas in here! CCP, this would be a good read |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:48:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Both excellent ideas.
I'd also like it if, when you are downed, the friendly with a nanite injector in your area appears differently on your minimap, as a + or something insead of a circle. Just so you can see whether the nanite injector is moving to revive you, or running past you and away from your corpse, or temporarily engaging an enemy nearby but potentially coming to get you if he wins, or what.
Also a good idea, should be included. +1 |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:00:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote:Sytonis Auran wrote:Agreed with OP's proposals.
How about some indicator showing which downed infantry is your squad too? I disagree with that, Then People will just go to their squad to revive them, even if they are further away and put them before the team. Where they might of been able do both. They go to squad member and revive them and run back and their time limit is up and they respawn. Not knowing who you are reviving helps in the fairness.
I understand you point, but a squad member will stay and cover while I continue rezzing and won't run off when they are being repaired. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Zombie Ninja Space Bears
47
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Posted - 2013.01.16 05:06:00 -
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Can we also get the ability to look around while "dying"? So we can assess whether it is worth it to wait and relay better intel to our medics? |
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DJINN JIHAD
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
3
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Posted - 2013.01.16 05:53:00 -
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Also put some kind of distance indicator, I HATE trying to run down a downed mate but then realize he is across the map. 
Durka Durka Moo Jihad! |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.16 18:25:00 -
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^Also good |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:20:00 -
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DJINN JIHAD wrote:Also put some kind of distance indicator, I HATE trying to run down a downed mate but then realize he is across the map. Durka Durka Moo Jihad!
A distance indicator on the downed body and distance indicator for the downed person, that way they can see for themselves if anyone is coming to help. |
Terry Webber
Gothic Wars Consortium
35
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:49:00 -
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I think this is a good idea too. I would also like to add something else. When revived, you can refuse the revive if some enemy soldiers show up suddenly. It would be a waste to be revived only to get shot down again. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:48:00 -
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Bump |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:49:00 -
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bump |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:33:00 -
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bump |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:25:00 -
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Seeking more feedback. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:48:00 -
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Any further thoughts/ideas? |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:51:00 -
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bump for the eyes of our new players |
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Banjo Hero
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:56:00 -
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I very much like the idea of having some indication of their time left. Range to them would be invaluable, too.
I do like to know where there're guys down in my area that haven't hit either button yet, so that in the case that my squad and I actually get the situation under control, I know where to start looking. So, I don't really dig your idea about them being unmarked until they hit the thing, but, **** it, if it did change to that, I'd get used to that. |
Crazy Mistah Jay
Prima Gallicus
11
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Posted - 2013.01.27 20:01:00 -
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And please, changed the nanohive in the assault suit of the assault speciality fit (don't remind me the name of this speciality when you choose this speciality at the creation of your character), because not enough people paid for the militia nanite injector (or best injector), so, with random players, i generally see only my friends can relife me  ). |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:55:00 -
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Crazy Mistah Jay wrote:And please, changed the nanohive in the assault suit of the assault speciality fit (don't remind me the name of this speciality when you choose this speciality at the creation of your character), because not enough people paid for the militia nanite injector (or best injector), so, with random players, i generally see only my friends can relife me ).
You'll get more players using the better injector after CCP fixes the WP awards scaling so you're not lowing your potential awards by using higher meta gear. But that's a thread of it's own |
BetterHideGood
Galactic Alliance 514
39
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:24:00 -
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+1 |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:22:00 -
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bump |
Arron Rift
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:31:00 -
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Agreed, +1.
Won't fix all the problems, but it sure would help!
Might I suggest just replacing the "heatbeat" timer with a simple timer bar altogether though? Other games do it that way and it seems more straightforward... I never know how long I have with the current system... |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:37:00 -
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bump |
Cade Orion
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:41:00 -
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Definitely have to support my fellow LogiBro's on this one |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
433
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:42:00 -
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Cross you mind if I add?
I find myself wondering who's on the verge of losing the clone when going to revive. Perhaps, and hear me out, it is the future, and the suits would probably still work if they can call out for help.
What if a small Tag appeared above players who need to be revived that show a timer counting down to how much time their clone has to live in that downed state without giving up.
Replace the symbol with a timer. So we may prioritize. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
3
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Posted - 2013.02.04 09:26:00 -
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The downed merc icon should not only flash upon request but it should fade from red to white or visa versa signifying that a. They want a rez b. How much time you have to get there. |
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:20:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:The targeting is improved but could still use further refinement, however I'm going to focus this post on another aspect of the revival system, the desire to be revived.
If the current "man down" icon were altered so that it only appeared on the screen after a player hits the button to request help this would allow players who are downed control over if/when they're revived while not creating situations where a Logi gets shot and/or wastes time trying to revive someone who's going to "refuse the revive" (as per other suggestions on the topic).
On a related subject, effective revivals could be increased and time wasted reduced by connecting the current blink mechanic to the heartbeat thus signaling (among those who've requested help) the imminence of bleed out allowing true triage decisions to be made within the battle.
TL;DR
Make the revival icon only show up if help is requested.
Make the flashing of the revival icon sync with the heart beat of bleed out.
Cheers,
Cross
know that we heavies love you logi's anyway  |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.06 01:40:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Cross Atu wrote:The targeting is improved but could still use further refinement, however I'm going to focus this post on another aspect of the revival system, the desire to be revived.
If the current "man down" icon were altered so that it only appeared on the screen after a player hits the button to request help this would allow players who are downed control over if/when they're revived while not creating situations where a Logi gets shot and/or wastes time trying to revive someone who's going to "refuse the revive" (as per other suggestions on the topic).
On a related subject, effective revivals could be increased and time wasted reduced by connecting the current blink mechanic to the heartbeat thus signaling (among those who've requested help) the imminence of bleed out allowing true triage decisions to be made within the battle.
TL;DR
Make the revival icon only show up if help is requested.
Make the flashing of the revival icon sync with the heart beat of bleed out.
Cheers,
Cross know that we heavies love you logi's anyway
I can assure you the feeling is mutual man
Find me on the field sometime and we'll go make some redberry jam 
Cheers,
Cross |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
79
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Posted - 2013.02.06 04:48:00 -
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The more I think about it, the more I love it.
+1 |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:29:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:The more I think about it, the more I love it.
+1
Thanks! Hopefully we can get some Dev comment on it soon.  |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:45:00 -
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Bump |
Canaan Knute
Conspiratus Immortalis
14
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Posted - 2013.02.10 00:14:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote:I disagree with that, Then People will just go to their squad to revive them, even if they are further away and put them before the team. Where they might of been able do both. They go to squad member and revive them and run back and their time limit is up and they respawn. Not knowing who you are reviving helps in the fairness.
The same thing could be said about squadmates showing up as green dots on the mini-map, but if they showed up as blue dots instead, it would be harder to identify your squad, which is precisely the problem with nanite injectors. If you see two downed players on the ground next to each other, and you don't know which one is your squadmate, reviving the wrong player could cause your squadmate to bleed out before you can get to him. There is also no guarantee that the blueberry you just revived would stay around to let you repair his armor, or that he wouldn't get killed a few seconds later due to recklessness.
EDIT: Downed squadmates are also harder to spot when surrounded by teammates, nanohives, drop uplinks, installations, etc.
@ Banjo
This could be solved by having only squadmates show up on the radar automatically. EDIT: I see now that you were talking about all players, not just your squadmates. Perhaps logistics dropsuits could be fitted with a built-in scanner that allows you to scan for downed players manually. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.10 16:35:00 -
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bump for the UI enabling (rather than hindering) player choice/tactical decision making. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.10 19:10:00 -
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Distance indicators would be nice as well |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.11 03:35:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Distance indicators would be nice as well
Agreed. We have them for targets why not revives? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:31:00 -
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Another alternative would be to have it like MAG where the downed player symbol has a color that depletes over time (like blood draining down). |
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Rico Dall
Carbon 7
3
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:25:00 -
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+1
Like them all. I had a similar idea in another thread regarding the mini map injector player icon being different to allow the downed player to make up their mind what to do. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:51:00 -
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CCP wrote:
[SUGGESTION] Revival System Improvement
Update: Dev team likes these ideas and will implement some changes to the call for help system in the upcoming content patch as well.
Thank you CCP!
Cheers,
Cross |
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