so that way we can repair quicker with it and not get destroyed quicker, it's not fun while everyone is the same, infantry only armor repair mobs please.

How is it a broken mechanic when we have shields with nearly the same amount of health with mods that increase charge by 42%?

Run with a Logi and be happy that you can have passive recharge (and yes, I run armor Assault from time to time).

As an alternative, I think there could be an active repper that takes an equipment slot instead of the passive repper, since this is how Eve works as well.

The active would be cool. Isn't there supposed to be a stacking penalty on extenders, plate, damage, and a couple other mods. If they ever put this in it will also be a good balance between armor and shields.

Stacking penalties only apply to modules whose bonuses are based on percentages, and not flat numbers. For example, a damage modifier might give a 5% bonus, so this is impacted. On the opposite side, a Shield Extender gives a flat amount of HP that doesn't change based on other circumstances, so no stacking penalty happens.

I think adjusting the armor rep mods are a bad idea.

1. By doing this you will completely wipe out the need for a medic in a squad. Who will need a rep gun when you can heal yourself 15 to 30 armor per sec.
2. Also sounds like a very broken mechanic just hide for 4 to 5 secs and you will heal massive life back do to shield recharge and armor rep mod.
3. This will in turn make gun fights longer than they already can be and drag down combat even more than it is now.
4. Will put a huge gap in between standard, advanced, and proto. Yes there should be a gap , but not that big.

I understand the lack of love that armor gets from CCP, we all see it. The thing about armor is it is meant to last longer than shields giving it more of a tanking feel. If you give it the ability to rep like that then stick a good logi on a heavy just think about how hard it will be to kill one then. That is just dancing to close to a unbalancable system IMO.

I was simply sharing ideas for others to build on. I personally dont feel like the proto should do more or less than 10 hp/s, but I could see a legitimate case to be made for 15. Please tell us what you feel the tiers output should be.

Also it would not reduce the need for a logi. If anything it will only improve their effectiveness. How scary would it be for a logi to rep an armor heavy who also has armor reppers on? I believe the total repping would be something like 50 to 60 hp/s (I cant get in game atm so this is a complete estimate). Thats still only like a third or a half of a single standard AR without mods or skills DPS negated. Couple that with the fact that a single AR shouldnt be able to solo a heavy anyway, and it still sounds pretty balanced to me.

Correct me if im wrong but somebody told me that armor also isnt as protective as it should be, meaning that armor is supposed to be more resilient against certain things that it currently is.

As for armor rep modules i do feel they are a bit underwhelming but again if armor isnt protecting like it should then perhaps that may explain why.

As far as shield regen not sure if it differs by class but for logis its 5s for a partial depletion and 10s for a full depletion, i have in fact avoided damage in open conflict for 5s and have witnessed it begin to regen not sure if that is intended or not.

i think an active module similar to tanks would be nice of course the numbers would have to be adjusted. All in all armor rep modules are not worth the cost for time it takes to rep them in any meaningful way so i agree with OP on this one.

Of course i dont want too drastic a change to armor because ppl still need to die, but i think rather than increases in shileding increases in armor across the tiers for dropsuits(without movement penalty) might be a good compromise if they keep armor the way it is now.

Correct me if im wrong but somebody told me that armor also isnt as protective as it should be, meaning that armor is supposed to be more resilient against certain things that it currently is.

Of course i dont want too drastic a change to armor because ppl still need to die, but i think rather than increases in shileding increases in armor across the tiers for dropsuits(without movement penalty) might be a good compromise if they keep armor the way it is now.

Eventually, damage types will be introduced, and so armor will be very resistant to thinks like EM damage, and not resistant at all to Explosive. Same goes for shields - very resistant to Kinetic, but not resistant to EM at all. As of today, though, it's all just hit points (sorry for everyone who thinks lasers hurt shields more than armor - that is a myth and is based on the fact that lasers can hurt the shields of the person firing).

In New Eden there are four damage types:

EM
Kinetic
Thermal
Explosive

Each suit will probably have its own natural resistances, and eventually there will be mods you can fit to modify these resistances.

Resistances in Eve work like this (numbers made up for illustrative purposes only): my shields have 75% resistance to Expplosive, 60% to Kinetic, 40% to Thermal, and 0% for EM. I get shot by a weapon that does 25 point of Kinetic danage and 10 points of Thermal damage. Because of my resistances, I take 10 points of Kinetic damage and 6 points of Thermal, for a total of 16 points of damage instead of 35 total.

Now, if I add a shield resistance mod for Thermal that grants me 10% resistance, it doesn't boost me to 50% total Thermal resistance, instead the 10% is applied the remaining 60% I am subject to - that means that I resist 10% of the remaining 60%, or an extra 6% bonus. My total Thermal resistance is now 46%. Taking the same example as above, I now take 5.4 points of Thermal damage instead of 6 points.

If I add a second Thermal resistance mod to my shields, it results in 10% of the remaining 54% I am subject to being negated, which is an additional 5.4%, taking me to a total of 51.4% total resistance to Thermal damage. Now, the shot that hit me for 10 points of Thermal means I take only 4.86 points of damage, instead of the original 6 points.

Welcome to the world of stacking penalties.

I was feeling a 2 for militia, 3 - basic, 5 - advance, and 8 maybe 10 for proto. The proto jumps is the biggest, this is to give a serious incentive to go for proto. i personally feel for 8 but again I could see some argument for 10 due to increase in armor levels. I also think there should be a difference in militia and basic, just like weapons have. This gives the incentive to get out of militia gear and get better.

Thats basically how I think it should it be so were pretty much on the same page lol. Although I feel like it should be something like 2.5 for militia, 5 for standard, 7.5 for adv, and 10 for proto. I feel like this is more in line with what CCP does with stuff, and it satifies my OCDness better lol.

Armor plates are a joke. Not only is the speed penalty huge, it also effects your ability to jump which makes you far more immobile than you'd thing. Most railings and rubble can't be jumped.

Armor plates on heavies hardly have any real effect and the more armor you have, the less efficent armor repairers are.
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For two months in codex, I used to exclusively armor tank as infantry but when I tried out shield tanking I've found that my ability to survive more than doubled. Shields are by FAR more powerful than armor.

Edit:
Additionally shields are a bit broken. Sometimes a targets shield will Rep in the middle of a gunfight and with some builds, you can have shields repairing while the enemy is reloading.

I'd like to point out something: there are always trade off in New Eden. Want to have more damage output? Go with armor so you can fit the damage mods.

Want to be more mobile and better able to survive? You will do less damage because the shield mods take the same slots as the damage mods.

Tanking is balanced. Please look at the big picture, and look at the context. Forest, not the trees.

Eventually, damage types will be introduced, and so armor will be very resistant to thinks like EM damage, and not resistant at all to Explosive. Same goes for shields - very resistant to Kinetic, but not resistant to EM at all. As of today, though, it's all just hit points (sorry for everyone who thinks lasers hurt shields more than armor - that is a myth and is based on the fact that lasers can hurt the shields of the person firing).

In New Eden there are four damage types:

EM.
Kinetic
Thermal
Explosive

Each suit will probably have its own natural resistances for Shield, and then separate resistance number for Armor, and eventually there will be mods you can fit to modify these resistances.

You sir are wrong. Pistols do more vs shield and less against armor. Smg do less vs shield and more to armor. ARs are standard and do the same.....how do I know this? Look at the efficiency rating..pistol is 120 on shields and 80 on armor. Please get your facts straight.

You sir are wrong. Pistols do more vs shield and less against armor. Smg do less vs shield and more to armor. ARs are standard and do the same.....how do I know this? Look at the efficiency rating..pistol is 120 on shields and 80 on armor. Please get your facts straight.

I'd like to point out something: there are always trade off in New Eden. Want to have more damage output? Go with armor so you can fit the damage mods.

Want to be more mobile and better able to survive? You will do less damage because the shield mods take the same slots as the damage mods.

Tanking is balanced. Please look at the big picture, and look at the context. Forest, not the trees.