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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:15:00 -
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Noone uses them as if they're not there....even if it is our only spawn.
If they can't, then can we get a droplink that will allow all team members to spawn? |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:19:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Noone uses them as if they're not there....even if it is our only spawn.
If they can't, then can we get a droplink that will allow all team members to spawn? Not sure if serious - but just incase - they allow every member of your side to spawn in. If they don't then welcome to DUST where blueberries have the same IQ as the real counter parts - the actual blue berry. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:44:00 -
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I think ambush anyone can, and skirmish just your squad but not real sure. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:45:00 -
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Not sure what the mechanics are but no not everyone can see everyone's up links. We have tested this a few times on a few occasions we can see other squads uplinks but not always don't know if its a glitch or if they have advanced uplinks that allow everyone to see them. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:52:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Noone uses them as if they're not there....even if it is our only spawn.
If they can't, then can we get a droplink that will allow all team members to spawn?
Youre bumping into one of three problems.
1: your link is in a bad location that makes hitting an objective difficult
2: Your teammates have had bad experiences with droplinks and assume they will be spawnkilled on one they did not place themselves.
3: Most of your team is composed of killfarmer idiots with a dim understanding of tactics.
#3 is by far the most common. I cannot count the number of times my team has been pushed back to redline with the whole enemy force killfarming. I ninja my way behind enemy lines, drop a link and start hacking for great justice. I Die when bads panic spawn on objective.. I then proceed to have a ten death running gunbattle with the enemy team who assumes we flanked them and cant find my droplink.
This usually allows the clueless blueberries to attack and take the objective I DIDN'T hit.
Go farking figure. So how many of you see this a lot?
No really, there is no possible way im the only one, im tactically stubborn, not brilliant. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:56:00 -
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I've only seen greendots spawn there, but I've only been on skirmishes lately. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:59:00 -
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Militia grade is for greendots i think, the one guy is right i think but i have to log in and look.
I believe more advanced links allow more of your force. I use other droplinks whenever possible, if there is a friendly or three nearby for support |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
485
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:03:00 -
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I play on skirmish and from what I have seen I am only able to spawn on squad uplinks. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:08:00 -
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I typically dont spawn at fixed locations in ambush maps for the sole reason they're usually camped or getting bombarded, IE the guy who placed the link down has lesser IQ than those who don't use it at all. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:27:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Militia grade is for greendots i think, the one guy is right i think but i have to log in and look.
I believe more advanced links allow more of your force. I use other droplinks whenever possible, if there is a friendly or three nearby for support I'm using standard, but I could try higher tiers |
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Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:37:00 -
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As far as i know the all Uplinks are for squad only. Currently the only uplinks that allow for teamspawning are the hacked uplinks that are included in the mercenary pack but not yet available in the maketplace individually.
This makes sense since the number of spawns an uplink will accomodate 10 spawn per uplink at tier I, 15 spawns at adv, and 20 spaws at proto. They have variant for std and adv that allow for 12 and 18 respectively. And other variants that allow for multiple(2 links) to be active at a time from a single player or allow for quicker spawning.
So as it is now the only ones that i know that allow for team spawning is the hacked uplink. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:42:00 -
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I think it depends on the uplink, I know with the hacked drop uplink everyone can spawn on but on some of the other ones only tour squad will see that it is active. |
Vanda-Kon
Feast On Skulls
66
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:52:00 -
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As someone who strategically places uplinks, I have to say they are severely underused. Camping spawns is no excuse as I place them in areas that would seem like a pain to get to, so unlikely.
The worst is when my team is redlined and they don't move the spawn map up to see that links are far behind enemy lines. With some of my links it makes no sense why Clone units or objectives aren't capped almost entirely thoroughout the match.
Use uplinks. They are your friends.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:21:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:As someone who strategically places uplinks, I have to say they are severely underused. Camping spawns is no excuse as I place them in areas that would seem like a pain to get to, so unlikely.
The worst is when my team is redlined and they don't move the spawn map up to see that links are far behind enemy lines. With some of my links it makes no sense why Clone units or objectives aren't capped almost entirely thoroughout the match.
Use uplinks. They are your friends.
I don't have any problems with people spawning in on them when I use them- as long as I have people in my squad.
When you put it in a clever place within reach of an objective, people tend to use it more. I mainly use them when I'm on the southern team of manus peak, in places that allows my squad to easily sneak into A and C |
Vanda-Kon
Feast On Skulls
66
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:24:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:As someone who strategically places uplinks, I have to say they are severely underused. Camping spawns is no excuse as I place them in areas that would seem like a pain to get to, so unlikely.
The worst is when my team is redlined and they don't move the spawn map up to see that links are far behind enemy lines. With some of my links it makes no sense why Clone units or objectives aren't capped almost entirely thoroughout the match.
Use uplinks. They are your friends.
I don't have any problems with people spawning in on them when I use them- as long as I have people in my squad. When you put it in a clever place within reach of an objective, people tend to use it more. I mainly use them when I'm on the southern team of manus peak, in places that allows my squad to easily sneak into A and C
Ohhhhh, I always be clever with me uplinks. Those uncreative minds that dismiss them is my problem.
I tend to place uplink thinking I'll be the only one to use them, so I wont be disapointed. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:30:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:As someone who strategically places uplinks, I have to say they are severely underused. Camping spawns is no excuse as I place them in areas that would seem like a pain to get to, so unlikely.
The worst is when my team is redlined and they don't move the spawn map up to see that links are far behind enemy lines. With some of my links it makes no sense why Clone units or objectives aren't capped almost entirely thoroughout the match.
Use uplinks. They are your friends.
I don't have any problems with people spawning in on them when I use them- as long as I have people in my squad. When you put it in a clever place within reach of an objective, people tend to use it more. I mainly use them when I'm on the southern team of manus peak, in places that allows my squad to easily sneak into A and C Ohhhhh, I always be clever with me uplinks. Those uncreative minds that dismiss them is my problem. I tend to place uplink thinking I'll be the only one to use them, so I wont be disapointed. Some definitions of clever can be different- I'm not talking about yours, but what you squad might think. Having something extremely close to the redline usually looks safer from the map. |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:39:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think ambush anyone can, and skirmish just your squad but not real sure.
This seems to be the case, but would need testing in skirmish to prove. |
Vanda-Kon
Feast On Skulls
66
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:41:00 -
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Sytonis Auran wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think ambush anyone can, and skirmish just your squad but not real sure. This seems to be the case, but would need testing in skirmish to prove.
yeah, prove it. I spend 30, 000 ISK a match, minimum, on uplinks. |
Marston EV
Doomheim
75
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:56:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Noone uses them as if they're not there....even if it is our only spawn.
If they can't, then can we get a droplink that will allow all team members to spawn? Youre bumping into one of three problems. 1: your link is in a bad location that makes hitting an objective difficult 2: Your teammates have had bad experiences with droplinks and assume they will be spawnkilled on one they did not place themselves. 3: Most of your team is composed of killfarmer idiots with a dim understanding of tactics. #3 is by far the most common. I cannot count the number of times my team has been pushed back to redline with the whole enemy force killfarming. I ninja my way behind enemy lines, drop a link and start hacking for great justice. I Die when bads panic spawn on objective.. I then proceed to have a ten death running gunbattle with the enemy team who assumes we flanked them and cant find my droplink. This usually allows the clueless blueberries to attack and take the objective I DIDN'T hit. Go farking figure. So how many of you see this a lot? No really, there is no possible way im the only one, im tactically stubborn, not brilliant.
you see.... the thing is that when your choosing an area to spawn in, you have to look at the actual map and choose a point via hovering over that point in the map. These maps can get pretty big, so when a team is redlined and your choosing the next place you want to spawn, you only see your MCC and main base as spawn points because thats the area your map hovers over on default (when those are the only two places you can spawn in at). Its not that the bluedots are ignoring the uplink, if they could spawn away from the kill farming then they most certainly would, its that they simply have no idea its there because the icon that symbolizes it isn't on their respawn map. (even if all you have to do is twitch your joystick to re-focus it)
CCP could fix this by adding a list on the side of the map so that people can see the available spawn points. the list would say something like.......
MCC dropzone main base dropzone Alpha dropzone tactical drop uplink 1 ect.....
this way people would be less oblivious to the spawn points that are available, and would therefore use some of the more important ones more often |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:54:00 -
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I am a droplink w hore. I use the gauged droplink in skirmish. I can say for a fact in skirmish only your squad can spawn on your link. I was in a match, had both my links down and my squad pissed me off so I switched and was no longer able to use MY links. I switched back and was able to use them again. |
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:09:00 -
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I use here and there uplinks aswell and i can confirm that uplinks can be used by blueberrys (saw that happening on ambush). Skirmish works i think aswell cause i could use uplinks from a other squad during a corp match. Sometimes i just think they are bugged. |
Vanda-Kon
Feast On Skulls
66
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:12:00 -
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The bug is in the bluedot brain. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:49:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Not sure what the mechanics are but no not everyone can see everyone's up links. We have tested this a few times on a few occasions we can see other squads uplinks but not always don't know if its a glitch or if they have advanced uplinks that allow everyone to see them. I"ve seen this behavior as well, always assumed it was a bug because the idea of such an undocumented restriction pains me greatly (yes even in a beta).
Hopefully the bug is fixed soon (or if not a bug, that the descriptions for all uplinks are improved to show their actual effect and new uplinks are added that can provide team wide spawns).
0.02 ISK Cross
EDIT: PS ~ can confirm that blue dots can indeed use uplinks within Ambush maps. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.01 03:11:00 -
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So in order for each player on a team in skirmish to have at least one extra spawn point, every single squad needs to have somebody with an uplink. Wow, that's pretty awful. No wonder there is so much redlining occurring.
Yet another reason to avoid skirmish. I think there is enough nails in that coffin to build a neighborhood of houses. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.01 03:26:00 -
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I have dropped links a lot. Sometimes when I am the only member of the squad and +25 keeps rolling by the screen. I tend to do it a lot less in Skirmish but in Ambush I do it all the time. My normal first Suit is fitted with a drop link. Then I run to a second place and drop the other one with enough distance so the opposing side might cover one but not both.
Also, I know I have used other squads drop links in Skirmish come to think of it. That happened today in fact. I wonder if it a different version drop link?
The opposing Mercs cannot use your link. However the horrible spawning algorithm will put a blue berry directly in front of a red berry, stuck in a corner with no way out. Toasted Mercs, nothing better. Even better when the red is in front of the blue. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2013.01.01 05:35:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:I am a droplink w hore. I use the gauged droplink in skirmish. I can say for a fact in skirmish only your squad can spawn on your link. I was in a match, had both my links down and my squad pissed me off so I switched and was no longer able to use MY links. I switched back and was able to use them again.
See, now that's interesting. I'm going to try that.
The thing is...I've had corp members in diff squads but on the same team say that they can't see my droplink. But sometimes, in random games, it appears as if blues can spawn on your link. Maybe it is a bug that needs to be fixed.
I know that one of the droplinks is supposed to reduce PG/CPU usage but it still uses the same pg/cpu as the others in the same std class |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.01 05:43:00 -
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That may be a bug yes, but i do know the hacked drop uplinks from the merc pack allow team spawing, hence the hacked. Now i have never been able to spawn in on other squad member links except my own in skirmish.
In ambush i think i have spawned in on links that were not my squads but i cant say for sure.
The problem of wheter links are bugged is unless you know for sure its not a hacked link then that could also be the reason why. If its your own and your not using the links from the merc pack then yes it probably is bugged and CCP needs to look at that. Also remember what i said before they only allow for b/w 10-20 uses before they are done. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.01 06:27:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:That may be a bug yes, but i do know the hacked drop uplinks from the merc pack allow team spawing, hence the hacked. Now i have never been able to spawn in on other squad member links except my own in skirmish.
In ambush i think i have spawned in on links that were not my squads but i cant say for sure.
The problem of wheter links are bugged is unless you know for sure its not a hacked link then that could also be the reason why. If its your own and your not using the links from the merc pack then yes it probably is bugged and CCP needs to look at that. Also remember what i said before they only allow for b/w 10-20 uses before they are done. That is it!
My normal Drop Link in Skirmish is a Hacked Drop Link (less PG/CPU too). I still got some of them so I was just burning them down. Maybe I should hang onto them.
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Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.01.01 06:44:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:I am a droplink w hore. I use the gauged droplink in skirmish. I can say for a fact in skirmish only your squad can spawn on your link. I was in a match, had both my links down and my squad pissed me off so I switched and was no longer able to use MY links. I switched back and was able to use them again. See, now that's interesting. I'm going to try that. The thing is...I've had corp members in diff squads but on the same team say that they can't see my droplink. But sometimes, in random games, it appears as if blues can spawn on your link. Maybe it is a bug that needs to be fixed. I know that one of the droplinks is supposed to reduce PG/CPU usage but it still uses the same pg/cpu as the others in the same std class
The more I read other peoples experiences I am starting think they are bugged or maybe the description is lacking some info. I also know in earlier build you could always spawn on anybodys drop links and just assumed they changed it this build. Hopefully they fix it if it is bugged because the make me mucho more points :) |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.02 14:37:00 -
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Yes an No.
I can tell for an absolute fact that there have been both cases:
- Teammates (blues) can spawn on my uplinks. I've seen it happen realtime, on map.
- Teammates (blues) can NOT see and spawn on my links. It has been veryfied by teammates on comms. Furthermore, I've personally walked around and found a blue uplink, finding happening the same way as red upllinks. After walking away, blue link disappears on minimap. After death, the link is not there to be used.
I'm assuming there is a bug (unless there is some hidden attribute within links.) |
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Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.01.02 17:59:00 -
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I always assumed that you could only spawn on uplinks that were currently spotted by your team with the bug being that you have to detect them like you have to detect hostile uplinks. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
151
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Posted - 2013.01.02 19:27:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Noone uses them as if they're not there....even if it is our only spawn.
If they can't, then can we get a droplink that will allow all team members to spawn? Youre bumping into one of three problems. 1: your link is in a bad location that makes hitting an objective difficult 2: Your teammates have had bad experiences with droplinks and assume they will be spawnkilled on one they did not place themselves. 3: Most of your team is composed of killfarmer idiots with a dim understanding of tactics. #3 is by far the most common. I cannot count the number of times my team has been pushed back to redline with the whole enemy force killfarming. I ninja my way behind enemy lines, drop a link and start hacking for great justice. I Die when bads panic spawn on objective.. I then proceed to have a ten death running gunbattle with the enemy team who assumes we flanked them and cant find my droplink. This usually allows the clueless blueberries to attack and take the objective I DIDN'T hit. Go farking figure. So how many of you see this a lot? No really, there is no possible way im the only one, im tactically stubborn, not brilliant.
Its like having breakfast. . . LOL
Every single day!!!! |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:00:00 -
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Marston EV wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Noone uses them as if they're not there....even if it is our only spawn.
If they can't, then can we get a droplink that will allow all team members to spawn? Youre bumping into one of three problems. 1: your link is in a bad location that makes hitting an objective difficult 2: Your teammates have had bad experiences with droplinks and assume they will be spawnkilled on one they did not place themselves. 3: Most of your team is composed of killfarmer idiots with a dim understanding of tactics. #3 is by far the most common. I cannot count the number of times my team has been pushed back to redline with the whole enemy force killfarming. I ninja my way behind enemy lines, drop a link and start hacking for great justice. I Die when bads panic spawn on objective.. I then proceed to have a ten death running gunbattle with the enemy team who assumes we flanked them and cant find my droplink. This usually allows the clueless blueberries to attack and take the objective I DIDN'T hit. Go farking figure. So how many of you see this a lot? No really, there is no possible way im the only one, im tactically stubborn, not brilliant. you see.... the thing is that when your choosing an area to spawn in, you have to look at the actual map and choose a point via hovering over that point in the map. These maps can get pretty big, so when a team is redlined and your choosing the next place you want to spawn, you only see your MCC and main base as spawn points because thats the area your map hovers over on default (when those are the only two places you can spawn in at). Its not that the bluedots are ignoring the uplink, if they could spawn away from the kill farming then they most certainly would, its that they simply have no idea its there because the icon that symbolizes it isn't on their respawn map. (even if all you have to do is twitch your joystick to re-focus it) CCP could fix this by adding a list on the side of the map so that people can see the available spawn points. the list would say something like....... MCC dropzone main base dropzone Alpha dropzone tactical drop uplink 1 ect..... this way people would be less oblivious to the spawn points that are available, and would therefore use some of the more important ones more often +1. Good info and good solution. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:02:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:I am a droplink w hore. I use the gauged droplink in skirmish. I can say for a fact in skirmish only your squad can spawn on your link. I was in a match, had both my links down and my squad pissed me off so I switched and was no longer able to use MY links. I switched back and was able to use them again. +1. Valuable info, thanks Enderr. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2013.01.03 05:37:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:As far as i know the all Uplinks are for squad only. Currently the only uplinks that allow for teamspawning are the hacked uplinks that are included in the mercenary pack but not yet available in the maketplace individually.
This makes sense since the number of spawns an uplink will accomodate 10 spawn per uplink at tier I, 15 spawns at adv, and 20 spaws at proto. They have variant for std and adv that allow for 12 and 18 respectively. And other variants that allow for multiple(2 links) to be active at a time from a single player or allow for quicker spawning.
So as it is now the only ones that i know that allow for team spawning is the hacked uplink.
The conflict here is alarming. Gunner's explanation is the right one, and that's it. There's no spotting mechanic, not much bugging any more, nothing.
The hacked uplinks are the only ones which allow non-squad members to spawn on them. The reason why you think you encountered "glitches" with spawning on blue dots' uplinks in the past, but don't encounter them now, is that most people have burnt their hacked uplinks.
The functionality is not different in different game modes. It is not inconsistent. |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
171
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:43:00 -
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In ambush I have seen blue spawn on my uplink...nonhacked. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core
162
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:00:00 -
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I run proto level uplinks and blues spawn at my uplinks though I have run into games where there is a blue uplink I can not spawn into but another member of my squad is able to see and spawn at it. There is definitely something not right with some uplinks. |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
311
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:02:00 -
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It would certainly seem that drop uplinks are bugged. I always use the militia BPO uplinks and there have been times where I get 4-5 players spawn onto it faster than my squad could die and spawn back in (suggesting team wide spawns). If different uplinks are team or squad only that would be interesting.
To further answer OPs problem. If you want players to spawn on your uplink you may need to defend it. Especially in ambush, where there aren't any remote locations. If you drop an uplink and leave it unattended you are pretty much offering your team up as free kills. I won't us a drop uplink unless I see a blueberry near it for this reason. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:07:00 -
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hmmm I had always thought any blue could spawn on uplinks even militia as I seem to get points even when my squad has yet to die.
Though I have seen drop uplinks bug out disappear and reappear blue and red or simply not allow some people to spawn on or see it.
Something certainly seems to be up. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:50:00 -
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Someone should really bring a dev into this thread so we can get some clarity on this issue. I have indeed noticed in Ambush nonsquad members can spawn on them and they are militia BPO. However those same links in skirmish are squad only use and have NEVER had a nonsquad spawn on them. |
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