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karin gaton Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.12.27 03:22:00 - [1] - Quote I wonder if they'll do an engine update some time in a future. I mean they did it with trinity and that brought several versions of enjoyable aesthetics and gripping graphics. And I'm sure carbon would bring in similar things. Unreal is nice but its getting dated.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.12.27 03:38:00 - [2] - Quote They went with carbon originally when they started it for PC, however decided to use Unreal and go to consoles instead. Unreal 4 is coming out so they may update it to that if it's possible.
Sev Alcatraz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 185	Posted - 2012.12.27 04:35:00 - [3] - Quote no, they just need to swap everything over to cry engine 3 and we're set for the next 5 years
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 324	Posted - 2012.12.27 04:45:00 - [4] - Quote From what I've been told, the merc quarters uses carbon. My suspicion /hope is that when they get time to finish walking in stations we'll be able to meet capsuleers "face" to face.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.12.27 05:55:00 - [5] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: From what I've been told, the merc quarters uses carbon. My suspicion /hope is that when they get time to finish walking in stations we'll be able to meet capsuleers "face" to face. pretty sure they wouldnt run two different engines in one game... and judging by how long it takes sometimes to get the "shine" on the characters in the merc quarters and the pregame ship i'd say its all running on Unreal 3
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.27 06:18:00 - [6] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: no, they just need to swap everything over to cry engine 3 and we're set for the next 5 years CryEngine 3? You should read what Chris Roberts talked about as far as the limitations of that engine and large player counts. Hell, part of the reason Crysis 3 only supports 16 players is because they went so hardcore for detail that the engine can't handle too many players at once. It's scalability is also somewhat questionable.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.12.27 07:18:00 - [7] - Quote Also, cost and ease of use. Cry Engine 3 is pretty expensive to license for one. If it were blizzard or some other game company that can crap out millions of dollars with no issues then fine. CCP is pretty independent for one, and two their assets involve two things right now, a board game and EVE. Unlike a lot of companies they can't plop out several hundred mil. And the ease of use, Unreal is easy to use, it doesn't take super long pain in the noggin to get working. Plus from what I've seen it's stable.
karin gaton Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.12.27 09:29:00 - [8] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: From what I've been told, the merc quarters uses carbon. My suspicion /hope is that when they get time to finish walking in stations we'll be able to meet capsuleers "face" to face. Then why not do it all in carbon when incarna is finished? It would keep stuff in house and not keep purchasing licenses. It would be great to pew pew inside the station with dust bunnies. Plus i think carbon looked really awesome for dust back in 09'.
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.12.27 09:59:00 - [9] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: no, they just need to swap everything over to cry engine 3 and we're set for the next 5 years imagine the amount of work and delays this game will have.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.12.27 11:41:00 - [10] - Quote Carbon is more than just the 3D engine (which DUST doesn't seem to be using), it also includes stuff like networking, data structures, persistance, python script, and all the other stuff needed to build a game.

Firestorm Zulu Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.12.27 14:00:00 - [11] - Quote Maybe the entire ps3 version of this game is a beta. This game won't be good quality until the ps4?
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.12.27 14:39:00 - [12] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: no, they just need to swap everything over to cry engine 3 and we're set for the next 5 years CryEngine is horrible for this type of game. It focuses mainly on graphics, and can't handle lots of players, vehicles, or large maps.
Gaff Origami ZionTCD Legacy Rising 49	Posted - 2012.12.27 15:02:00 - [13] - Quote One word and one number: Frostbite 2
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.12.27 15:26:00 - [14] - Quote Gaff Origami wrote: One word and one number: Frostbite 2 Property of EA.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:51:00 - [15] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: From what I've been told, the merc quarters uses carbon. My suspicion /hope is that when they get time to finish walking in stations we'll be able to meet capsuleers "face" to face. pretty sure they wouldnt run two different engines in one game... and judging by how long it takes sometimes to get the "shine" on the characters in the merc quarters and the pregame ship i'd say its all running on Unreal 3 From what I noticed, Type 1 logis are shiny and militia logis aren't.
DON RODIE II Deep Space Republic 168	Posted - 2012.12.27 18:55:00 - [16] - Quote I think most likely they will update it to unreal 4. WHICH IS AWESOME
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.27 18:57:00 - [17] - Quote aden slayer wrote: Gaff Origami wrote: One word and one number: Frostbite 2 Property of EA. yup and they will never let anyone else use it :D
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:36:00 - [18] - Quote What would you guys think about Dust using the Forge Light Engine that Planetside 2 is using?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:52:00 - [19] - Quote Carbon run's like a pig when it has too much to do, look at the captains quarters in EVE or the character builder, most PC's **** themselves when if comes to making a new character if it's using similar specs to the PS3. They moved away from Carbon because of its limitations, asking them to go back when they clearly chose Unreal over their own engine would be silly.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:56:00 - [20] - Quote ITT: People who think they know more about game engines than game developers.

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:57:00 - [21] - Quote Reimus Klinsman wrote: ITT: People who think they know more about game engines than game developers. Maybe some people in this thread are game dev's elsewhere?... You're making assumptions.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:58:00 - [22] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Carbon run's like a pig when it has too much to do, look at the captains quarters in EVE or the character builder, most PC's **** themselves when if comes to making a new character if it's using similar specs to the PS3. They moved away from Carbon because of its limitations, asking them to go back when they clearly chose Unreal over their own engine would be silly. Agreed, getting it to run the CQ is enough of an issue. It's a nice engine, and using it originally for PC use seemed to work out not too badly. But, the PCs they were testing it on were pretty beefy rigs. Most people will not buy the kind of rig that would have required. And using it for the PS3 would never have worked. Any PS3 trying to do with would fry.
karin gaton Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.12.27 20:02:00 - [23] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Carbon run's like a pig when it has too much to do, look at the captains quarters in EVE or the character builder, most PC's **** themselves when if comes to making a new character if it's using similar specs to the PS3. They moved away from Carbon because of its limitations, asking them to go back when they clearly chose Unreal over their own engine would be silly. trinity was developed over some time. carbon can still evolve into such a state just more time is needed. I'm not saying switch back to carbon now but when its done properly. Call it another trinity expansion
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.27 20:03:00 - [24] - Quote karin gaton wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Carbon run's like a pig when it has too much to do, look at the captains quarters in EVE or the character builder, most PC's **** themselves when if comes to making a new character if it's using similar specs to the PS3. They moved away from Carbon because of its limitations, asking them to go back when they clearly chose Unreal over their own engine would be silly. trinity was developed over some time. carbon can still evolve into such a state just more time is needed. I'm not saying switch back to carbon now but when its done properly. Call it another trinity expansion It's possible that will happen, but the thread suggestion was to move over right away.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.12.27 20:30:00 - [25] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Reimus Klinsman wrote: ITT: People who think they know more about game engines than game developers. Maybe some people in this thread are game dev's elsewhere?... You're making assumptions. Chances are small, and even if they are professional game devs I doubt they'd be whining in this thread.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.12.27 21:11:00 - [26] - Quote As i understand it, carbon wasn't ready and would take to long to make it work. The world of darkness team in Atlanta is still working on carbon, I think. Once the world of darkness game is out and has carbon working they may move dust to it. But that could be 5+ years, world of darkness is on back burner till dust is out, and look how long dust is taking. PS5 dust version will probably be carbon based.
Ripcord19981 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 20	Posted - 2012.12.27 21:39:00 - [27] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: What would you guys think about Dust using the Forge Light Engine that Planetside 2 is using? Its for PC. If ps3 could've handled things like that there wouldve been lots of cool games. Basically, the ps3 is outdated and cant handle engines like that with more than 24 players.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.12.27 23:22:00 - [28] - Quote Ripcord19981 wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: What would you guys think about Dust using the Forge Light Engine that Planetside 2 is using? Its for PC. If ps3 could've handled things like that there wouldve been lots of cool games. Basically, the ps3 is outdated and cant handle engines like that with more than 24 players. Sorry,I was speaking in regards to running Dust 514 on the PS4 using the Forge Light Engine,not on PS3
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.28 00:38:00 - [29] - Quote I remember when the Carbon engine was first utilized for the Eve-side CQ. People reported seeing their graphics cards literally melt inside their computers on the first day. That and the increased hardware requirements practically rendered older hardware obsolete overnight. But overall, Carbon is more than just an engine. It is also its own communications architecture meant to streamline the servers.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.12.28 00:43:00 - [30] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I remember when the Carbon engine was first utilized for the Eve-side CQ. People reported seeing their graphics cards literally melt inside their computers on the first day. That and the increased hardware requirements practically rendered older hardware obsolete overnight. But overall, Carbon is more than just an engine. It is also its own communications architecture meant to streamline the servers. Part of the issue was that some of the stuff they used was NVIDIA tech. In terms of some of the physics and a few other things. And the graphics weren't optimized for that so they used way more RAM built into the graphics cards then they should have which in turn made the graphics card work harder and burnt them out that way. It forced some cards to overclock themselves past what was safe. I was using a laptop at the time with a Radeon in it and that thing ran pretty hot. Didn't cook it though, I made sure to have plenty of air. But, it did make it sound like a jet engine.

Odiain Suliis ZionTCD Legacy Rising 112	Posted - 2012.12.28 00:49:00 - [31] - Quote Here is a brief overview about barbon framework, http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technology
Ripcord19981 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 20	Posted - 2012.12.31 17:28:00 - [32] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Ripcord19981 wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: What would you guys think about Dust using the Forge Light Engine that Planetside 2 is using? Its for PC. If ps3 could've handled things like that there wouldve been lots of cool games. Basically, the ps3 is outdated and cant handle engines like that with more than 24 players. Sorry,I was speaking in regards to running Dust 514 on the PS4 using the Forge Light Engine,not on PS3 oh
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.12.31 17:38:00 - [33] - Quote Thing about Carbon is its a very modular engine and its not a real graphics engine either but more of a data processing engine allowing it to translate multiple engines though puts and making into gibberish the other engine can use. Similar to how Frostbyte 2 works which encompasses various multiple engines from Havok to Enlighten. Unfortunately the ps3 only has 256 MB of memory shared. Overall it was much cheaper to use an established engine for graphics/physics than to create one from scrap, UT3 is a popular choice on costs alone where as realtek's crysis engines are so gawdfully expensive nobody wants to make a game on that or in EA's case has no desire to 'sell' their engines to anyone outside or even inside of EA. Oh btw the lighting system found in battlefield 3. Eve online had it first.
nakaya indigene ZionTCD Legacy Rising 39	Posted - 2012.12.31 18:41:00 - [34] - Quote Dust should be a pc game. The unreal engine is trash. And singularity is no place to test dust. That's all I have to say.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.12.31 18:47:00 - [35] - Quote nakaya indigene wrote: Dust should be a pc game. The unreal engine is trash. And singularity is no place to test dust. That's all I have to say. Neither is Tranquility. If dust where to cause a serious problem on TQ we'd be ruining years of work easily, destroying markets and empires because of a stupid bug that flipped off sov or printed isk or any number of other interdependencies.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.31 19:35:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: nakaya indigene wrote: Dust should be a pc game. The unreal engine is trash. And singularity is no place to test dust. That's all I have to say. Neither is Tranquility. If dust where to cause a serious problem on TQ we'd be ruining years of work easily, destroying markets and empires because of a stupid bug that flipped off sov or printed isk or any number of other interdependencies. Remember the boot.ini days? That expansion for Eve was a trip.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.31 19:36:00 - [37] - Quote nakaya indigene wrote: Dust should be a pc game. The unreal engine is trash. And singularity is no place to test dust. That's all I have to say. Non-informative troll detected.
nakaya indigene ZionTCD Legacy Rising 39	Posted - 2012.12.31 20:02:00 - [38] - Quote Damn foiled again lool. But really unreal is awful.


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