From what I read is that "I have absolutely no skill at this game! because I'm not good at this game that's why this game sucks! Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh waaaahhhhhhh!!"

I got two words for you: Get Good!

K thanks bye!

I open up Dust 514 for the first time in months

A lot of people are going to be laughing at you.

It really sucks that the only feedback CCP is getting is from a few misinformed fanboys who are still active on these forums.

A lot of people are going to be laughing at you.

Seriously.

I get people telling me a new Dust build just came out that's supposed to smooth out the gameplay and fix the lag.

Wow! Really? Maybe this game will be fun to play after all! I open up Dust 514 for the first time in months and download the patch. This game has had several builds to get things fixed.

Upon opening my dropsuit selection the game begins stuttering. I feel like I'm running Crysis on a Super Nintendo as I attempt to perform the simple task of editing my loadouts, a feeling I've had since I was invited to this beta half a year ago, multiple builds ago. Hell even before logging into the game the flyby over the spaceship at the character selection screen was skipping frames every 5 seconds.

Of course after stuttering through the menus I already knew what to expect. The game plays no differently. Micro-freezes are a regular occurrence and the framerate is never stable as the outdated PS3 hardware struggles to load the ultra-HD industry standard 16x16 textures of Dust 514 that you've become so accustomed to. I get hit from 2 miles away by an invisible sniper hiding in the hills in the outskirts of the map. I hide behind a supply depot and, **** you not, wait about 10 seconds for my shields to finally recharge, before coming out only to get shot at by another sniper hiding in the most remote regions of the map. I'm having so much fun already. I love getting shot by invisible people who are invulnerable to taking damage (did I mention that the max range of assault rifles is about 3 meters?) then waiting half a minute just for my shields to recharge again!

Capturing objectives is still a slow and tedious process. The second a heavy spawns you know you are screwed because the ridiculous rate of fire on their guns drop you about 14 times faster than you can drop them (giving the most armored enemies access to the most powerful weapons is a great idea!). You can't see anything other than a pixelated hologram in your face and can only hope that nobody spawns behind you as you wait about 4 minutes to capture an objective.

Gunplay sucks. The large open maps combined with the lowish amount of players makes finding a fair fight difficult. Players have so much health that it takes about 2 hours to kill somebody. The animations are awkward and slow and you feel like an old man running through jello. You sprint at turtle-speed and a couple bunny hops are enough to completely drain your stamina. The maps are a barren wasteland, not only making the snipers more annoying but turning CQC gunfights into a spray-n-pray tango between two players until whoever happens to be using the better gun finally gets the kill. Even when you do manage to find decent gunfight with a similarly equipped opponent in an area that actually has some well-placed cover and are at the most optimal distance for your weapons, you're probably gonna end up getting shot at by some invisible sniper up in the hills.

So disappointing. I actually prefer playing Call of Duty over this. Hey, it takes no skill but it's still fun, way more exciting than this game can hope to be. Dust maybe takes a little skill (little, VERY little skill, and I'm being generous), but it's not fun. It's not fun at all.

your thread is void and as such your opinion is void.

we are laughing at you Moejoe Omnipotent

active on the forums and the game, unlike you
play moar, kitten less

It really sucks that the only feedback CCP is getting is from a few misinformed fanboys who are still active on these forums. It sucks that most people who thought this game was trash (and there's a lot of them) never bothered giving their feedback here to counter what the small handful of regulars here are spewing out.

Whenever I read some one complaining about the textures I am convinced they have no idea what a beta is. When it gets to a 1.0 release and the issue still persists then there is cause for concern. But, since it is build 0.7 people need to do some research on what a beta for games actually means.

The stuttering sounds weird. Haven't experienced any stuttering issues since the update. What are the quarters like? Stuttery? Any of the other menus?

You guys just got used to the mediocrity of this game. There are few other people who are willing to do this. I was willing to do this during the first build but not anymore. I gave this game more than enough time to get things straight.

If I were a Dust supporter I wouldn't try calling out my experience with this game or skill with shooters. You will only regret this in the long run.

well, at least it wasn't as disappointing as Killzone 2...

Seriously.

I get people telling me a new Dust build just came out that's supposed to smooth out the gameplay and fix the lag.

Wow! Really? Maybe this game will be fun to play after all! I open up Dust 514 for the first time in months and download the patch. This game has had several builds to get things fixed.

Upon opening my dropsuit selection the game begins stuttering. I feel like I'm running Crysis on a Super Nintendo as I attempt to perform the simple task of editing my loadouts, a feeling I've had since I was invited to this beta half a year ago, multiple builds ago. Hell even before logging into the game the flyby over the spaceship at the character selection screen was skipping frames every 5 seconds.

Of course after stuttering through the menus I already knew what to expect. The game plays no differently. Micro-freezes are a regular occurrence and the framerate is never stable as the outdated PS3 hardware struggles to load the ultra-HD industry standard 16x16 textures of Dust 514 that you've become so accustomed to. I get hit from 2 miles away by an invisible sniper hiding in the hills in the outskirts of the map. I hide behind a supply depot and, **** you not, wait about 10 seconds for my shields to finally recharge, before coming out only to get shot at by another sniper hiding in the most remote regions of the map. I'm having so much fun already. I love getting shot by invisible people who are invulnerable to taking damage (did I mention that the max range of assault rifles is about 3 meters?) then waiting half a minute just for my shields to recharge again!

Capturing objectives is still a slow and tedious process. The second a heavy spawns you know you are screwed because the ridiculous rate of fire on their guns drop you about 14 times faster than you can drop them (giving the most armored enemies access to the most powerful weapons is a great idea!). You can't see anything other than a pixelated hologram in your face and can only hope that nobody spawns behind you as you wait about 4 minutes to capture an objective.

Gunplay sucks. The large open maps combined with the lowish amount of players makes finding a fair fight difficult. Players have so much health that it takes about 2 hours to kill somebody. The animations are awkward and slow and you feel like an old man running through jello. You sprint at turtle-speed and a couple bunny hops are enough to completely drain your stamina. The maps are a barren wasteland, not only making the snipers more annoying but turning CQC gunfights into a spray-n-pray tango between two players until whoever happens to be using the better gun finally gets the kill. Even when you do manage to find decent gunfight with a similarly equipped opponent in an area that actually has some well-placed cover and are at the most optimal distance for your weapons, you're probably gonna end up getting shot at by some invisible sniper up in the hills.

So disappointing. I actually prefer playing Call of Duty over this. Hey, it takes no skill but it's still fun, way more exciting than this game can hope to be. Dust maybe takes a little skill (little, VERY little skill, and I'm being generous), but it's not fun. It's not fun at all.

"Used" is a strange term. You seem to think your experiences offer an objective view of the game. Play any multi-player game months after not playing it and you'll, initially, have a crappy experience. Except Call of Duty. But, that's a game where you have infinite lives and hyper laser accuracy.

Check the game out again when it's at 1.0 release. Or when the open beta starts.

They used to post regularly but have given up , can't blame them tbh you post anything negative and well you know what to expect.

I don't play much anymore, tried the new build today (4 games) and it's just the same as the previous one boreing.

Let the fans enjoy it's not worth the effort trying to say any different or point out flaws.

Well you get more out the game the more you put into it. I sucked hardcore first time I played and it wasn't totally to blame on the lag of the build I started playin on. Now I'm a pretty descent sniper who thoroughly enjoys when you hide behind a rock and decide its a good idea to run the same direction I sniped you from originally. If you'd take time to play more and better your character and know where the sniper nests are on each map, I'd kindly let you sneak up on me and shoot me straight to hell for having laid you out 5x. Like any game, playing makes you better. This game requires active playing to rack up SP to make your merc godly by strengthening up a skillset.

I do like this current build as it has far less lags as the last build. I'd get one mini-lag at the time of spawning but until I got wasted I didn't get much lag as the first build. And I like the the adjustment of the weight of my character. The movements feel more smooth and I know I will prolly have to re-adjust to this as I played quite a bit of the old build. So give the game more of your time and find better rocks to hide behind or just leave the game alone and move on.

How about posting something 'constructive' vs 'negative'. It's often not what you say, but how you say it, that's important. Just a thought.

You play CoD. You're sick. If you think CoD is better than this, kill yourself. I've been playing BO II after getting it from a friend. Terrible graphics, disgusting spawns, ridiculous 2 shots to kill anyone with SMG across the 4 inch map. But idiots like you eat it up every year. F*** off your feedback is unneeded. Also go get a Wii.

lol another unbiased opinion with mature input if you dont like dust you must play cod

You play CoD. You're sick. If you think CoD is better than this, kill yourself. I've been playing BO II after getting it from a friend. Terrible graphics, disgusting spawns, ridiculous 2 shots to kill anyone with SMG across the 4 inch map. But idiots like you eat it up every year. F*** off your feedback is unneeded. Also go get a Wii.

Tried it still get the same response, gtfo, bye, can I haz your stuff, or the ever it's beta.

Been here a long time but the fansboys are getting more blind by the build, don't even see templar two bother trying post about the poor advances and flaws any more even he gave up.

I just pop on to state the obvious from time to time, dust will have a small player base after the initial newness wears off and will suit some but even that will become stale when new players realise they have to live this game to be able to compete.

I played for several hours last night and the games I was in were amazingly smooth. It's a HUGE improvement over the last build in terms of playability and smoother frame-rate.

Yes, the menus are still stuttery, but what counts for me is the smoother in-game playability. It was a luxury I got only a handful of times in the last build. I just hope it lasts.

If your being sniped and you manage to find cover as small as a supply depot call in a free lav. Sniper will be pissed when he see's the RVA and will probably give up after taking one shot at the back of your carseat.

I probably will. I don't expect much improvement if this was supposed to be the big fix-it build before the open beta. I don't think you guys should be too hopeful either if CCP doesn't take feedback outside of these forums into serious consideration. I think the positive energy on these forums is a bit misleading.

I have been through at least 4 major updates. & have seen a significant amount of progress in the last six months. IMO, console gamers expect too much of a beta. As a result of devs/publishers marketing MP demos/stress tests as betas. & until we get PvE & the game opens to low/null sec, the new player experience is still a '?'. this is just a side effect of letting a large number of players into a real beta so early on.

You do realize that once you get into a LAV you have a few seconds when your giving away a free headshot?

Although the original poster wrote for humour/ irony (and maybe just a touch of anger) rather than a straight analysis, I have to agree with many of his points.
It's only fair to first acknowledge that there's some pretty nice stuff in this build:

• New vehicle sounds give more of an impression of a high-tech machine
• New artwork assets are very "alien tech", again giving a better immersion in a super-high-tech battlefield.
• Loading times have been much improved - my first game on the new build I saw the "command centre/ ready room" for the first time in many months, and I can call up the player stats list after *every* game, rather than just sitting watching the loading wheel.
• I haven't (yet) seen *any* of the 2-5 second long screen-freezes which have been my constant companion. Great job!

However (yeah, I know - there's always a "but"...) I do have to agree with the original poster on many points.

• HMG seems more overpowered than ever and snipers seem more powerful relative to most other weapons (quite probably due to other weapons being diminished). This further skews the risk/ reward imbalance - as noted by the original poster.
• Now the biggie - although the multi-second screen freezes appear to have gone away, framerate problems are still very much there. They are now a constant low-level issue rather than massive spikes just when something critical happens. Over the past 3 builds I've pretty much been unable to avoid the conclusion that this game needs a SSD to be truly playable. While many players flippantly state "get an SSD", as if it's the logical answer to every game problem, (and I'll add that I'm fast approaching the day I'm no longer willing to put that off), not every player is in a position to do that. All that aside, if an SSD upgrade is necessary to play, then Dust can't really be said to be PS3 compatible. And if many of us upgrade to SSDs, we're radically watering down the feedback CCP gets about how the game plays *on the target platform*. It seems to me that a more logical answer would be for the testers to report a problem so it can be dealt with by the developers, so no more "it's only not working for you because you're playing it on the target platform" comments, eh guys?

Also...

• I'm seeing a massive reintroduction of hit-detection problems. Just a few days ago, emptying an entire SMG magazine into someone 2 metres away would kill pretty much anyone. Now I'm lucky to fully deplete their shields.
• The gameplay balance seems *much* less cerebral. I've played for a day or so since the update, and I appreciate that this is a player factor, but the game balance now seems to reward "run forward spraying bullets" gameplay far more than tactical planning and movement. I'm not yet sure what's caused this apparent shift, but changes in Assault Rifles (iron sights and slower zoomed panning) have certainly incentivised close-in fighting, and I wonder if people will abandon fully-automatic ARs entirely as their effective range (or rather their usable range) drops closer to that where the SMG (not to mention the HMG ) dominates.
• Even with good (passive) scanning skills, I'm routinely surprised by enemies hiding round corner (this includes, on one occasion, three heavies with HMGs plus two assault troopers and a scout with shotgun!) I doubt they were all stealthed...
• For Mouse and Keyboard players, it's no longer possible to scroll through fitting selection using scrollwheel or W and S, so you need to move fingers to the arrow keys.

I can appreciate that people don't react well to angry posts, but (as someone who has been waiting literally years for Dust) I can sympathise with the frustration of seeing it not be all it can be, especially when it's mostly down to a few well-documented problems. Let's please keep both sides of the debate constructive guys - we all want this bird to fly, after all

Can I have your stuff scrub?

Although the original poster wrote for humour/ irony (and maybe just a touch of anger) rather than a straight analysis, I have to agree with many of his points.
It's only fair to first acknowledge that there's some pretty nice stuff in this build:

• New vehicle sounds give more of an impression of a high-tech machine
• New artwork assets are very "alien tech", again giving a better immersion in a super-high-tech battlefield.
• Loading times have been much improved - my first game on the new build I saw the "command centre/ ready room" for the first time in many months, and I can call up the player stats list after *every* game, rather than just sitting watching the loading wheel.
• I haven't (yet) seen *any* of the 2-5 second long screen-freezes which have been my constant companion. Great job!

However (yeah, I know - there's always a "but"...) I do have to agree with the original poster on many points.

• HMG seems more overpowered than ever and snipers seem more powerful relative to most other weapons (quite probably due to other weapons being diminished). This further skews the risk/ reward imbalance - as noted by the original poster.
• Now the biggie - although the multi-second screen freezes appear to have gone away, framerate problems are still very much there. They are now a constant low-level issue rather than massive spikes just when something critical happens. Over the past 3 builds I've pretty much been unable to avoid the conclusion that this game needs a SSD to be truly playable. While many players flippantly state "get an SSD", as if it's the logical answer to every game problem, (and I'll add that I'm fast approaching the day I'm no longer willing to put that off), not every player is in a position to do that. All that aside, if an SSD upgrade is necessary to play, then Dust can't really be said to be PS3 compatible. And if many of us upgrade to SSDs, we're radically watering down the feedback CCP gets about how the game plays *on the target platform*. It seems to me that a more logical answer would be for the testers to report a problem so it can be dealt with by the developers, so no more "it's only not working for you because you're playing it on the target platform" comments, eh guys?

Also...

• I'm seeing a massive reintroduction of hit-detection problems. Just a few days ago, emptying an entire SMG magazine into someone 2 metres away would kill pretty much anyone. Now I'm lucky to fully deplete their shields.
• The gameplay balance seems *much* less cerebral. I've played for a day or so since the update, and I appreciate that this is a player factor, but the game balance now seems to reward "run forward spraying bullets" gameplay far more than tactical planning and movement. I'm not yet sure what's caused this apparent shift, but changes in Assault Rifles (iron sights and slower zoomed panning) have certainly incentivised close-in fighting, and I wonder if people will abandon fully-automatic ARs entirely as their effective range (or rather their usable range) drops closer to that where the SMG (not to mention the HMG ) dominates.
• Even with good (passive) scanning skills, I'm routinely surprised by enemies hiding round corner (this includes, on one occasion, three heavies with HMGs plus two assault troopers and a scout with shotgun!) I doubt they were all stealthed...
• For Mouse and Keyboard players, it's no longer possible to scroll through fitting selection using scrollwheel or W and S, so you need to move fingers to the arrow keys.

I can appreciate that people don't react well to angry posts, but (as someone who has been waiting literally years for Dust) I can sympathise with the frustration of seeing it not be all it can be, especially when it's mostly down to a few well-documented problems. Let's please keep both sides of the debate constructive guys - we all want this bird to fly, after all

KZ2>Blackops II> KZ3 Alpha > DUST514

The post has some good points. It starts out pointing out some glaring technical problems (lag, stutter, etc) that the game still has and then quickly degenerates into whinning about having his S whooped and how much battles fail to deliver 'fun' to him. What a pitty, could have been a good discussion.

Yes, that part is realy dumb.
But he does have valid criticism, don't shoot him down just because of a few points that are just him not being good at this game.

Upon opening my dropsuit selection the game begins stuttering. I feel like I'm running Crysis on a Super Nintendo as I attempt to perform the simple task of editing my loadouts, a feeling I've had since I was invited to this beta half a year ago, multiple builds ago. Hell even before logging into the game the flyby over the spaceship at the character selection screen was skipping frames every 5 seconds.

Of course after stuttering through the menus I already knew what to expect. The game plays no differently. Micro-freezes are a regular occurrence and the framerate is never stable as the outdated PS3 hardware struggles to load the ultra-HD industry standard 16x16 textures of Dust 514 that you've become so accustomed to.

We dont need you.

Mojoe would school you any day of the week if enemies rendered at distances greater than 100ft tbqh

But dust beta dose, it needs everyone, those who like and blindly think it brilliant and those who dislike, just so ccp can get some balance by reading between the lines.

All feed back is good be praise or criticism, people need to learn not to take it personal when they read something they don't like written about the game.

The fanboys have scared away people that critically look at this game. The only people really left for the opposition are die hards like you and me. Every other sane person that didnt see substantial improvement in fast approaching 1 year of beta have gone right back to bf3 and cod bc they can't deal with the amount of denial the forum crowd has. You have to be crazy to think this game is any where near a public release

The quarters don't stutter like the menus but the FPS can still get choppy which is pretty strange. Even in a small closed room the game seems to struggle to hold 30 FPS.

Yes well all realize this is a beta. I'm sure the graphics will be beautiful by the fast approaching public release of this game even after 6 months of little progress.

Just a thought, the lag may have something to do with the size of your contacts list. I know Black Ops 2 has freezing issues on the PS3 version when you're getting constant notifications from the XBM.

Tried it still get the same response, gtfo, bye, can I haz your stuff, or the ever it's beta.

Been here a long time but the fansboys are getting more blind by the build, don't even see templar two bother trying post about the poor advances and flaws any more even he gave up.

I just pop on to state the obvious from time to time, dust will have a small player base after the initial newness wears off and will suit some but even that will become stale when new players realise they have to live this game to be able to compete.

After 3 months I really hate hearing this beta is more complex than any other game because its not. The FPS side of this game is so simplistic to the point you can compare this beta to titles that were made 8 years ago.

Pretty sure someone would have said the same thing about eve , now look at it .
This game is going improve , then improve , then improve some more , that is the great thing about ccp.
:-]