Iron sights always obsure almost all vision (including your target). This is true of every single FPS game I have played that has ADS on iron sights. I havent seen it yet but this is no surprise to me.

You know what I own an AK-47 and I can tell that you don't have a clue about what I'm talking about.

I couldnt agree more. Its plain stupidity. Obviously no one at ccp has ever used a scope irl or guns period wich is weird since they aee based out of Russia

+1 for this post

I used the TAR for the first time today and it had too much recoil!

Looks like a good weapon though...

+1 for this post

I used the TAR for the first time today and it had too much recoil!

Looks like a good weapon though...

I couldnt agree more. Its plain stupidity. Obviously no one at ccp has ever used a scope irl or guns period wich is weird since they aee based out of Russia

I couldnt agree more. Its plain stupidity. Obviously no one at ccp has ever used a scope irl or guns period wich is weird since they aee based out of Russia

Do you have a gun permit for that AK-47

Yes the time off modded controller scrubs is over. And now i say something what other people are saying about missile launchers:
Its fine now how it is, no further change needed.
(Starts melting faces with the Viziam Laser rifle on long range where you can do crap about it)

You know what I own an AK-47 and I can tell that you don't have a clue about what I'm talking about.

Also used to play call of duty and I love the iron sights there.

bursts and tacs have sights, and MAN THIS IS AWESOME! tacs are no longer fast firing sniper rifles that destroy also at close range, the lag is much reduced, hit detection is much better, alot more choice of sensitivity, and it looks so much more like a game now, one giant leap in the right direction.

Um since when did I say this was real life? In real life gun sights are fine and they work well. I may not own an AK47 but I have shot one. I have shot many different kinds of guns in my life and of course IRL iron sights work....they work well (when sighted in properly) and they dont obsure huge amounts of your vision..........

However as it was obvious I was talking about games..(i would never call RL a FPS)...I have found this to be true in every GAME i have played. Iron sights are pretty much always bad. Some are more bearable than others but for the most part all of them suck.


I am still absolutely flumoxed on how you could have thought I was talking about iron sights IRL.........my mind is literally blown on how you could have possible read this into my post.

now I am upset. The clime is so ridiculous on the TAR you abslutely cannot put anyone down with it, at all, when it is scoped in, which is very strang considering that it is supposed to be an accurate distance weapon.

I can understand CCP's need to balance weaponry, but as it stands right now, the tactical is unusable (absolutely trash). Please tone down the clime ASAFP.

you know aside from the laser rifle the tactical was my favorite weapon. Trying to out gun the fully auto AR users with smart tactics using the tactical was one of the major things that kept me coming back to dust. I feel betrayed

Other problems also:

Is it me or did the run/walk speed take a major hit? Feel like I'm running through molasses now?

The iron sights on the ARs are junk! The posts are way to thick, so much so that they nearly completely obscure your line of sight. I was a supporter of introducing iron sights to dust, but these are horribly frustrating to use.

Seem to be getting some major hit detection problems. Is anyone else experiencing this?

there still usable, just because there not 25-0 machines does not mean their unusable. now they are not the best at close range, mid range, and long range, but are a choice of a high damage rifle that you actually have to control to make work. No longer is it a super weapon.

Don't need a permit I live in the US. Not only that but I live in AZ so I don't even need a permit to Cary concealed.

My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme

What is the effective RoF now that recoil has been added?

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/




But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been.

How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be?

How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be?

How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be?

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/




But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been.

Same here, Fizzy. The TAC has always been my weapon of choice since way back, even during the reign of the Creo AR. I haven't tried it but hell, it'll just be another challenge I'll have to master. I will reserve judgement until I play a few games first.

Yeah you can still use it, just don't expect to be mowing down people as fast. It's more on the support side now I feel, which is what I pictured originally

It still has its high damage per bullet, long range, and doesn't out DPS the Breach ARs anymore. Sorry you didn't get to abuse the Tact ARs when they were OP?

In the toilet.

With the clime the way it is, at distance, by the time you've realigned, your target has already realized what is going on, and you dont get another chance, but even if you do, what is that good for? So you can zing another solitary round his way? Big effin whoop.

Look I'm not saying that I want it back the way it was. What I'm saying is that in its current state it is garbage. It needs a recoil reduction, badly, not recoil absence.

I did state this in my OP, not in so many words but it was there.

Can you be a touch more specific? How many rounds can you put on target per second given AR Operations at level 4 or 5?

I disagree, I am better with the iron sights than I was with the original sights.

I couldnt agree more. Its plain stupidity. Obviously no one at ccp has ever used a scope irl or guns period wich is weird since they aee based out of Russia

I dont use a modded controller

Like i care. Now you feel the same way like the people who used missile launchers. Well suck it you wont get your tac AR back. And im happy that CCP decided to go with the recoil soloution that i offered them.

or dropship users, or railtanks before that and the list goes on. I beleive the term is "adapt or die"

I was adapted before this bull**** happened I'm a proto LAR user. This still does not excuse what they have done to the TAR.

Iron sights always obsure almost all vision (including your target). This is true of every single FPS game I have played that has ADS on iron sights. I havent seen it yet but this is no surprise to me.

Which is why I wondered why people wanted this.

Wrong thread? Tactical doesn't have iron sights.

Mine does, weird.

:o Are you sure you're using the right gun..? Tactical and Burst ARs are supposed to still have the old camera scope on them

Like i care. Now you feel the same way like the people who used missile launchers. Well suck it you wont get your tac AR back. And im happy that CCP decided to go with the recoil soloution that i offered them.

Yeah DC because you're the only person on the entire game that suggested this fix, you really are a fuckwit you know that? I love SI and Sha but you really are a waste of space and don't think before you type.



The AR recoil change is very welcome by me, it was much needed however i do believe that the tac rifles need a slight deduction in recoil. They are meant to be specialist, medium/long range, single shot, high damage AR's. I think they need either a reduction in recoil or a buff to damage because it's very, very difficult to keep the tac point on something now as a single shot alone raises the scope way off target and obviously if it's a moving target you can't kill anything.

I'm all for having a sensible discussion about this but it's not going to happen while idiots keep trolling AR users and AR users keep crying and not posting anything constructive.

Yeah DC because you're the only person on the entire game that suggested this fix, you really are a fuckwit you know that? I love SI and Sha but you really are a waste of space and don't think before you type.



The AR recoil change is very welcome by me, it was much needed however i do believe that the tac rifles need a slight deduction in recoil. They are meant to be specialist, medium/long range, single shot, high damage AR's. I think they need either a reduction in recoil or a buff to damage because it's very, very difficult to keep the tac point on something now as a single shot alone raises the scope way off target and obviously if it's a moving target you can't kill anything.

I'm all for having a sensible discussion about this but it's not going to happen while idiots keep trolling AR users and AR users keep crying and not posting anything constructive.

A deduction to recoil and magazine size nerf, say 18 in the 24 round guns and 20 in the 30 round guns is one idea I have in my mind. As it stands, the tact shouldn't even be in the game as a laser rifle or a sniper would perform better

Dude did you not read my whole Post? In particular the part where I said I've played COD and love the iron sights there?

Yes the time off modded controller scrubs is over. And now i say something what other people are saying about missile launchers:
Its fine now how it is, no further change needed.
(Starts melting faces with the Viziam Laser rifle on long range where you can do crap about it)

Mission accomplished. again i proofed that as long you moan about something it will get nerfed. And it wasnt just me who complained about this. And no im against a reduction of recoil simply so that your modded controllers are WASTED money. If you want the old TAC AR back then i want my old missile launchers back. Fair deal i would say dont ya agree? And there is no room of discussion about it cause only those people complain now are the players who have modded controllers. A minority on this game. And guess what? Majority>minority that simple. Well i could aswell go on here and moan that my Elm-7 laser rifle now overheats but i dont do that cause i accept the change and its fine with me.

I was not saying what you should believe last I checked when someone has a certain view and they share it they don't assume that everyone shares that view. As I said I have never played a game with good iron sights only ones that suck and ones that suck a little less. I don't care that you have liked an iron sight in another game if I played it I would tell you that they suck.

Mission accomplished. again i proofed that as long you moan about something it will get nerfed. And it wasnt just me who complained about this. And no im against a reduction of recoil simply so that your modded controllers are WASTED money. If you want the old TAC AR back then i want my old missile launchers back. Fair deal i would say dont ya agree? And there is no room of discussion about it cause only those people complain now are the players who have modded controllers. A minority on this game. And guess what? Majority>minority that simple. Well i could aswell go on here and moan that my Elm-7 laser rifle now overheats but i dont do that cause i accept the change and its fine with me.

Iceland, not Russia.

I could be wrong i need to check in the skills list but isn't there a skill that reduces the recoil/dispersion of your handheld weapons, does leveling that to 5 improve the recoil of the TAR at all?

There's no skills for recoil. Never has been. The handling proficiency skill improves damage not weapon handling.

Some weapons have recoil reduction as their "Operations" skill. Assault Rifles are one of those weapons.

It's not significant enough to make a difference though, i've got all my AR skills maxed.

tbh Scrambler Rifles which i keep hearing is like a DMR should be the new TAR and TAR should just be removed. No point having 2 single shot high zoom high dmg ARs

First of all whats your point about things getting nerfed? You're saying you're happy that the AR's got nerfed but you're also saying you was just trying to prove that people who ***** get what they want. So what's your point? AR's needed nerfing or that CCP only listen to people that moan?...

It don't matter if you personally are against a reduction in recoil for TAC's as its not your decision and you don't use them, you use laser rifles, you sound like you're only against it because it gives you an advantage not because you want to balance things correctly. The fact is that as i said, AR did need adjusting and all I'm saying now is that the TAC has been hit too hard and it's unusable, that's more than a balance issue isn't it?...

I can't comment on missile launchers because i didn't use them before or after the changes so it wouldn't be right for me to talk about something i know little about, maybe you could learn from that lesson eh?...

Why do you think that only people use the TAC use modded pads? I was taking a break for a long time while people realised it was possible to abuse the TAC with modded pads and now i'm back i'm using the TAC again without a modded pad because i didn't even realise it was possible till recently, are you that dense that you can't see people using a TAC without using a modded pad? Are you that closed minded? Funny that someone who's apparently a PR guy for a well known corp is so closed minded and such an idiot, maybe you was chose for the job because of how stupid you are? Maybe the plan was to use you just to get fights?

Now if you want to have an actual discussion, like an adult, using facts and figures and not opinions and hear say then you're welcome to, other wise shut up trying to talk about something you've no idea what it is.

I don't even think the Tac rifle should be in the game. Hybrid blasters (what the AR is) are high dps close range weapons, and having a long range version of that is a little odd.

lets just ask CCP nicely for a Caldari infantry rifle that is slower firing than the Gallente version but a better headshot bonus (around 1.75 instead of 1.5 is what i'd prefer) and a longer range.

I want to see more skills with more trade offs instead of what the AR skill set has been for a while - do everything without any weaknesses.

Is the general consensus that the current tact rifle should be removed from the game in favor of a newer weapon type?

Tac Rifle is still fine at short/mid range hip firing. Recoil is good enough to kill the modded controller use i think but still allows to be deadly if you can control your aim.

On the other hand, recoil is crazy through ADS. Making its use at long range pretty painfull. Wich is odd for a long range AR.

I think it's been fixed in the wrong way. RoF should have been cut by half to prevent abuse and make it pretty tricky at short range, and recoil only slightly bigger than any other AR.

I love modded control loser tears!



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Sounds like something got messed up in the code, or something. I mean, I play enough high-recoil shooters that it doesn't really bother me, but I guess I'm in the minority on that one.

I'm not a modded controller user jack@$$. Says that several times throughout the thread *faceplam*

Man where do these people come from.

It's just pubbies thinking they good trolls when really they just copy some of the better ones and hope for the same reaction. Just report his posts as flame baiting/trolling and get him banned from posting. Works for me.

I think the KB/M is in fact easier to use than pad based on the feedback i've had from several people. I think reduced recoil, reduced ammo capacity, cut ROF by 50% and buff DPS by 25% would fix it fine.

Keeps it as a LR, skilled weapon for AR users, stops modded pads from working , makes it useless up close but allows people to still get kills with it so long as they are clever and pick their fights which is what the weapon is all about.

increase DPS by 25%? Are you nuts? Then you could drop people even faster then before and we have a worse situation. The only way to increase DPS is either increase the damage or the ROF. And last time ive checked the TAC AR has the highest damage of all AR's. So no to more damage.

I am honestly surprised on how many people didn't see this coming

I'm not a modded controller user jack@$$. Says that several times throughout the thread *faceplam*

Man where do these people come from.

I like the recoil, but it needs to he reduced by about 10-15% for ADS.

That said, I don't have AR proficiency skills and I'm curious to know how recoil is adjusted for those with it. The tac ar is supposed to be a midway between a sniper rifle and an AR. It stands to reason we would see a balance between RoF, dmg, and recoil for a role that is supposed to be a midway between a sniper and ground assault.

Think: cover fire, mid range support, mobile mid range sniper.
Don't think: universal AR, win button, CQC

The previous version was broken. The gun was never meant to be used at such close range.
I think what makes most sense is to reduce recoil ever so slightly or slightly increase damage. Skilled users should be able to land a few shots, but not able to spray a target. These are supposed to be big bullets, so they should hurt and they should kick.