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Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:35:00 - [31] - Quote Skihids wrote: What is the effective RoF now that recoil has been added? In the toilet.
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:37:00 - [32] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be?
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:39:00 - [33] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be? It still has its high damage per bullet, long range, and doesn't out DPS the Breach ARs anymore. Sorry you didn't get to abuse the Tact ARs when they were OP?
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:39:00 - [34] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be? Satori is one of those people that used the gun to go 25-0 every match, as you stated earlier... and that's a ****** score for him.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:40:00 - [35] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be? MOAR DELISHUSH TEERS PLZ.
Los Silencio D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:40:00 - [36] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. Same here, Fizzy. The TAC has always been my weapon of choice since way back, even during the reign of the Creo AR. I haven't tried it but hell, it'll just be another challenge I'll have to master. I will reserve judgement until I play a few games first.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:43:00 - [37] - Quote Los Silencio wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. Same here, Fizzy. The TAC has always been my weapon of choice since way back, even during the reign of the Creo AR. I haven't tried it but hell, it'll just be another challenge I'll have to master. I will reserve judgement until I play a few games first. Yeah you can still use it, just don't expect to be mowing down people as fast. It's more on the support side now I feel, which is what I pictured originally
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:45:00 - [38] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Yeah you can still use it, just don't expect to be mowing down people as fast. It's more on the support side now I feel, which is what I pictured originally I'm hoping the gun ends up much like hte HM90SE did in MAG with the effective hip fire. Gawd i loved that gun.
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:57:00 - [39] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: My agenda has been for filled now that the Tac is gone snipers will reign supreme http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ But yeah.. can't mash R1 nearly as fast now because of the jump. Being a dedicated tact user from the last build though, I think the new tact is the way it should have been. How Is a completely ineffective weapon the way it should be? It still has its high damage per bullet, long range, and doesn't out DPS the Breach ARs anymore. Sorry you didn't get to abuse the Tact ARs when they were OP? With the clime the way it is, at distance, by the time you've realigned, your target has already realized what is going on, and you dont get another chance, but even if you do, what is that good for? So you can zing another solitary round his way? Big effin whoop. Look I'm not saying that I want it back the way it was. What I'm saying is that in its current state it is garbage. It needs a recoil reduction, badly, not recoil absence. I did state this in my OP, not in so many words but it was there.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:01:00 - [40] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: Skihids wrote: What is the effective RoF now that recoil has been added? In the toilet. Can you be a touch more specific? How many rounds can you put on target per second given AR Operations at level 4 or 5?

SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:10:00 - [41] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: With the clime the way it is, at distance, by the time you've realigned, your target has already realized what is going on, and you dont get another chance, but even if you do, what is that good for? So you can zing another solitary round his way? Big effin whoop. Look I'm not saying that I want it back the way it was. What I'm saying is that in its current state it is garbage. It needs a recoil reduction, badly, not recoil absence. I did state this in my OP, not in so many words but it was there. I agree the climb is strong, but I think it needs to be that way. I think if they are going to make it better, they should add more range or more damage. Or turn the recoil down and give it less bullets in one magazine. Mainly, I also just don't want to see it the way it was in the old build. I also don't want it to become an extinct gun, though lol
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:21:00 - [42] - Quote Skihids wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: Skihids wrote: What is the effective RoF now that recoil has been added? In the toilet. Can you be a touch more specific? How many rounds can you put on target per second given AR Operations at level 4 or 5? Scoped in, at distance, may be one and a half, two at most (but probably not two), and those would be sure hits. Up closer, scoped in (if you do it right) if you start at the targets waste you can get a three round burst in, ending at the targets head, but after that you are seriously misaligned, and you have to compensate for a massive recoile drop. The clime hangs on for every consecutive round you fire without letting the recoil readjust first and then returns you to your original position before you initated your burst. So ridiculous.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:27:00 - [43] - Quote works fine for me with a mouse
Michael Sebi Doomheim 14	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:43:00 - [44] - Quote I disagree, I am better with the iron sights than I was with the original sights.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:43:00 - [45] - Quote Michael Sebi wrote: I disagree, I am better with the iron sights than I was with the original sights. Wrong thread? Tactical doesn't have iron sights.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:47:00 - [46] - Quote bone bad wrote: I couldnt agree more. Its plain stupidity. Obviously no one at ccp has ever used a scope irl or guns period wich is weird since they aee based out of Russia lolwut
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:03:00 - [47] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Yes the time off modded controller scrubs is over. And now i say something what other people are saying about missile launchers: Its fine now how it is, no further change needed. (Starts melting faces with the Viziam Laser rifle on long range where you can do crap about it) I dont use a modded controller Like i care. Now you feel the same way like the people who used missile launchers. Well suck it you wont get your tac AR back. And im happy that CCP decided to go with the recoil soloution that i offered them.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:35:00 - [48] - Quote After playing more and using the laser and tact, gonna say the tact should just be removed from the game. Only thing the tact has going for it is the range, which is still longer than a laser, but I've been having issues getting people's names/hitpoints to show up when targeting them from range, even though I can shoot and get hitmarkers. It's basically only good from max optimal range, and you can only get so many shots on a target before they peace out that you'd be better off with a sniper.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:37:00 - [49] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Yes the time off modded controller scrubs is over. And now i say something what other people are saying about missile launchers: Its fine now how it is, no further change needed. (Starts melting faces with the Viziam Laser rifle on long range where you can do crap about it) I dont use a modded controller Like i care. Now you feel the same way like the people who used missile launchers. Well suck it you wont get your tac AR back. And im happy that CCP decided to go with the recoil soloution that i offered them. or dropship users, or railtanks before that and the list goes on. I beleive the term is "adapt or die"
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:56:00 - [50] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Yes the time off modded controller scrubs is over. And now i say something what other people are saying about missile launchers: Its fine now how it is, no further change needed. (Starts melting faces with the Viziam Laser rifle on long range where you can do crap about it) I dont use a modded controller Like i care. Now you feel the same way like the people who used missile launchers. Well suck it you wont get your tac AR back. And im happy that CCP decided to go with the recoil soloution that i offered them. or dropship users, or railtanks before that and the list goes on. I beleive the term is "adapt or die" I was adapted before this bull**** happened I'm a proto LR user. This still does not excuse what they have done to the TAR.

The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:04:00 - [51] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: I was adapted before this bull**** happened I'm a proto LAR user. This still does not excuse what they have done to the TAR. Well you better adapt then again. Well now we have the following list of useless weapons/turrets: -Breach AR -Tac AR -Large Missile turrets -Small Missile turrets -Smal railguns -Smal blasters -Active scanners This fix was needed to punish modded controller users. You can thank the imperfects for that and their modded controllers. And people where laughing at me when i sayd that you would do a backflip with the tactical AR when recoil gets added. Well who is laughing now?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:31:00 - [52] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Iron sights always obsure almost all vision (including your target). This is true of every single FPS game I have played that has ADS on iron sights. I havent seen it yet but this is no surprise to me. Which is why I wondered why people wanted this.
Jack flagrantfool Doomheim 8	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:49:00 - [53] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Iron sights always obsure almost all vision (including your target). This is true of every single FPS game I have played that has ADS on iron sights. I havent seen it yet but this is no surprise to me. Which is why I wondered why people wanted this. Iron sights are beast if done properly. This was not done properly.
Michael Sebi Doomheim 14	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:04:00 - [54] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Michael Sebi wrote: I disagree, I am better with the iron sights than I was with the original sights. Wrong thread? Tactical doesn't have iron sights. Mine does, weird.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:07:00 - [55] - Quote Michael Sebi wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Michael Sebi wrote: I disagree, I am better with the iron sights than I was with the original sights. Wrong thread? Tactical doesn't have iron sights. Mine does, weird. :o Are you sure you're using the right gun..? Tactical and Burst ARs are supposed to still have the old camera scope on them
Michael Sebi Doomheim 14	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:25:00 - [56] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Michael Sebi wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Michael Sebi wrote: I disagree, I am better with the iron sights than I was with the original sights. Wrong thread? Tactical doesn't have iron sights. Mine does, weird. :o Are you sure you're using the right gun..? Tactical and Burst ARs are supposed to still have the old camera scope on them Yes It is Tactical, is that bad?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.19 01:10:00 - [57] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Yes the time off modded controller scrubs is over. And now i say something what other people are saying about missile launchers: Its fine now how it is, no further change needed. (Starts melting faces with the Viziam Laser rifle on long range where you can do crap about it) I dont use a modded controller Like i care. Now you feel the same way like the people who used missile launchers. Well suck it you wont get your tac AR back. And im happy that CCP decided to go with the recoil soloution that i offered them. Yeah DC because you're the only person on the entire game that suggested this fix, you really are a fuckwit you know that? I love SI and Sha but you really are a waste of space and don't think before you type. The AR recoil change is very welcome by me, it was much needed however i do believe that the tac rifles need a slight deduction in recoil. They are meant to be specialist, medium/long range, single shot, high damage AR's. I think they need either a reduction in recoil or a buff to damage because it's very, very difficult to keep the tac point on something now as a single shot alone raises the scope way off target and obviously if it's a moving target you can't kill anything. I'm all for having a sensible discussion about this but it's not going to happen while idiots keep trolling AR users and AR users keep crying and not posting anything constructive.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.19 01:15:00 - [58] - Quote A deduction to recoil and magazine size nerf, say 18 in the 24 round guns and 20 in the 30 round guns is one idea I have in my mind. As it stands, the tact shouldn't even be in the game as a laser rifle or a sniper would perform better
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.19 01:20:00 - [59] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Yeah DC because you're the only person on the entire game that suggested this fix, you really are a fuckwit you know that? I love SI and Sha but you really are a waste of space and don't think before you type. The AR recoil change is very welcome by me, it was much needed however i do believe that the tac rifles need a slight deduction in recoil. They are meant to be specialist, medium/long range, single shot, high damage AR's. I think they need either a reduction in recoil or a buff to damage because it's very, very difficult to keep the tac point on something now as a single shot alone raises the scope way off target and obviously if it's a moving target you can't kill anything. I'm all for having a sensible discussion about this but it's not going to happen while idiots keep trolling AR users and AR users keep crying and not posting anything constructive. Mission accomplished. again i proofed that as long you moan about something it will get nerfed. And it wasnt just me who complained about this. And no im against a reduction of recoil simply so that your modded controllers are WASTED money. If you want the old TAC AR back then i want my old missile launchers back. Fair deal i would say dont ya agree? And there is no room of discussion about it cause only those people complain now are the players who have modded controllers. A minority on this game. And guess what? Majority>minority that simple. Well i could aswell go on here and moan that my Elm-7 laser rifle now overheats but i dont do that cause i accept the change and its fine with me.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.19 01:20:00 - [60] - Quote Personally i could tolerate a smaller mag for better recoil on it. I've always thought that mag size is too large for it because it use to be quite easy to take down a couple of guys with a single mag.



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