People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

true...but, you know...every fps the same problem...so...just try to stay away from shotgunners and try to kill them before they get close...

its a shotgun what do u expect tho?
maybe its a tad too powerful for militia gear but shotguns are shotguns cqc deliver heavy damage at any range they blow

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

This is the 1st game ive played in which shotguns do what they are ment to do

That is blast you apart at CQC or pointblank range and be ******* useless at any other range

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

This is the 1st game ive played in which shotguns do what they are ment to do

That is blast you apart at CQC or pointblank range and be ******* useless at any other range

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

what comes next? A rant that some 1 got killed while having a Vk.1 assault suit with a laser rifle from distance?

what comes next? A rant that some 1 got killed while having a Vk.1 assault suit with a laser rifle from distance?

To be honest,the biggest problem with shotties in every single shooter is that if the game is laggy,you are deader than dead.

Yeah, try shotgunning on lag. I'm on proto shotty and during lag it sometims does nothing. I'm behind a guy, 2m away, got his head in aim, press R1... nothing, no shot. I start mashing it, but he moved and is now aware of my presence, so I line up another shot, R1 -- NOTHING. He kills me with his AR. My unused shotty rests in the dirt.

It's not like I'm mashing and missing the time slot, I've got a good rhythm feeling, as you get a feel for one-shot-one-kill in a while. It just doesn't fire for a second or so. At all. So please, tell me how deadly they are on lag.

Oh, you meant your lag? Sure, tell me how a weapon that needs to hit you in one single point is awesome when you're just teleporting all over the place along with your hitbox. Unless you're laggy and standing still, but this is still 50/50.

It works best with no lag and against people unaware of their surroundings. Also vs cocky bastards, who think their ADV/PRO will protect them.

The biggest problem with every weapon in dust are people who want to nerf it but have not bothered to test it themselves.

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

No offense I kill all the so called shot gun greats with my SMG. True I have high proficiencies for the SMG and Side arm sharpshooter, but I dont let them shotgunners get close to me. Its your gameplay thats to blame here.

1. Dont get baited
2. Keep your distance

You will be fine. Now go practise this.

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

ITT: "Waaaaaaaaah! somebody killed me with something other that an AR! Waaaaaaaah!"

exactaly I go 3 to 1 against high level SGs all the time with an smg and standard gear.

Shotguns should kill at close range but I've been killed by several from quite a distance. Makes me wonder if light weapon sharpshooter should be negated for shotgun. True opinion, probably not as shotgunners would have no chance otherwise. I definitely would like to speculate about splitting out sharpshooter and other across weapon type skills to be per weapon. That would more diversify the skill tree where a shotgunner cannot so easily switch back to AR when their shotgun game is not working for them. Plus, sharpshooter and the other weapon type skills can be specified to affect each weapon differently such as mass driver sharpshooter reducing the angle but increasing the distance of mass driver shots.

Most of the time I see people do well with a militia shotgun, a couple deaths later I see them using a prototype shotgun. SP invested shouldn't be understated.

Shotguns aren't overpowered.

Nova Knives are underpowered.

Also, ARs are OP, because they can kill me in seconds while I'm trying to get close enough to hit them with my Shotgun. Sniper Rifles are OP, because I can't even hit them with my AR at the range where they can one-shot me. SMGs are OP, because they can hurt me at mid-range and my Shotgun does nothing. Vehicles are OP, because not only are they able to hit me at long range, but even when I CAN get close enough, I can't one-shot them.

A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay

After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post.

Shotgun is OP gg

After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post.

Shotgun is OP gg

Hello! Do you remember me from last night? Yes me? I was the one that kept shot gunning you and then teabagged you when I shotgunned you when you pulled out your proto suit and krin.

Now if you recollect our game last I shot gunned you a few times and it was because i got the drop on you. If someone gets the drop on you, you deserve to be killed. However later on the in game killed me a few times when I tried to shotgun you. Remember?

The end result is that I killed you because I got the drop on you. The times when we went one on one with my shotgun you killed me. One on one and with reasonable distance, the shotgun always looses. I have killed shotgunners and have been killed buy shotguns too. It is not the shotgunners fault that you are caught unaware. Its totally your fault.

Just my 0.02 NerfEverything

It is, actually.

Just to have a vague hope of scratching the paint on someone's armour, you have to cross through the ideal ranges of every other possible weapon except Nova Knives and SMGs. That's just for your shots to register as hits. If you want to be close enough to actually HURT the target, you need to pass through the SMG's preferred range as well, and for a two-shot with a Militia Shotgun, you almost have to be in range for Nova Knives.

Also, that two-shot isn't going to happen with a Militia Shotgun unless the A-Series guy is running a suit with no tanking modules, AND the Shotgunner is either EXTREMELY lucky with their spread or has a lot of SP tied up in Shotguns.

The HK4M is an ADV shotgun. Same specs as a CRG-3. I would agree that it's OP, being it requires no skill to fit. but it's a bonus you can't replenish for less than $20 a pop.

What was your ISK payout?

I'm going to use a militia one later on today to see if I have the same kind of success

People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor.

Militia weapons are powerful with the NO skills learned

I adjusted your quote for truth. Militia Shotguns are OP without ANY skills learned, been running total militia fit on my alt and it's ridiculous.

You don't even -need- to dodge fire. The game forces you into close quarters so often that if your speed isn't enough in a scout suit, you can just wait for people to try and come so they can take an objective or whatever and butffuck them. Sure I won't get as many kills as I would using my Tar with OP range, but those kills are farming kills. I used to think heavies camping corners and objectives were the worst thing, now I can two shot them with a free suit and gun I have no SP in.

The heavies that were being killed were A-Series and vk1's from Tritan Industries. All I ever see from them is tanked heavies, so I assume that's what they were using, but I can't say for certain what their fit was. I do know me and my corp mates shotguns with zero SP in it were two shotting them though, and they were defenseless because it was on C on the four point skirmish map. Lots of cover for a scout to force CQC.



I'm not really sure where I'm going with all of this though. I don't have a suggestion to nerf the shotgun that wouldn't end up making it useless, but it feels so cheap at the moment. It was fun to use, so I guess that is good, but so lame to fight against lol.