DUST Search - Shotgun is OP!

Sentient Archon wrote:

SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:

After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post.

Shotgun is OP gg

Hello! Do you remember me from last night? Yes me? I was the one that kept shot gunning you and then teabagged you when I shotgunned you when you pulled out your proto suit and krin.

Now if you recollect our game last I shot gunned you a few times and it was because i got the drop on you. If someone gets the drop on you, you deserve to be killed. However later on the in game killed me a few times when I tried to shotgun you. Remember?

The end result is that I killed you because I got the drop on you. The times when we went one on one with my shotgun you killed me. One on one and with reasonable distance, the shotgun always looses. I have killed shotgunners and have been killed buy shotguns too. It is not the shotgunners fault that you are caught unaware. Its totally your fault.

Just my 0.02 NerfEverything

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:

A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay

It is, actually.

Just to have a vague hope of scratching the paint on someone's armour, you have to cross through the ideal ranges of every other possible weapon except Nova Knives and SMGs. That's just for your shots to register as hits. If you want to be close enough to actually HURT the target, you need to pass through the SMG's preferred range as well, and for a two-shot with a Militia Shotgun, you almost have to be in range for Nova Knives.

Also, that two-shot isn't going to happen with a Militia Shotgun unless the A-Series guy is running a suit with no tanking modules, AND the Shotgunner is either EXTREMELY lucky with their spread or has a lot of SP tied up in Shotguns.


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SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.10 08:37:00 - [1] - Quote Most of the time I see people do well with a militia shotgun, a couple deaths later I see them using a prototype shotgun. SP invested shouldn't be understated.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 06:59:00 - [2] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Most of the time I see people do well with a militia shotgun, a couple deaths later I see them using a prototype shotgun. SP invested shouldn't be understated. After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post. Shotgun is OP gg
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 11:25:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Shotguns aren't overpowered. Nova Knives are underpowered. Also, ARs are OP, because they can kill me in seconds while I'm trying to get close enough to hit them with my Shotgun. Sniper Rifles are OP, because I can't even hit them with my AR at the range where they can one-shot me. SMGs are OP, because they can hurt me at mid-range and my Shotgun does nothing. Vehicles are OP, because not only are they able to hit me at long range, but even when I CAN get close enough, I can't one-shot them. A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post. Shotgun is OP gg Hello! Do you remember me from last night? Yes me? I was the one that kept shot gunning you and then teabagged you when I shotgunned you when you pulled out your proto suit and krin. Now if you recollect our game last I shot gunned you a few times and it was because i got the drop on you. If someone gets the drop on you, you deserve to be killed. However later on the in game killed me a few times when I tried to shotgun you. Remember? The end result is that I killed you because I got the drop on you. The times when we went one on one with my shotgun you killed me. One on one and with reasonable distance, the shotgun always looses. I have killed shotgunners and have been killed buy shotguns too. It is not the shotgunners fault that you are caught unaware. Its totally your fault. Just my 0.02 NerfEverything Yes I remember :D The proto suit and AR loss was funny, I got swamped by you and 4 other red dots, and I thought I was lucky for surviving an OB on the CRU I had spawned on with it. What was your ISK payout? The times you killed me were because you got in close, obviously. The times I killed you were because you spawned in front of me and tried to rush straight at me. You can't take objectives from 20m+, but you can wait for someone to come within 10m and two shot them with a shotgun easy. I would know, because after that game I went and ran a shotgun myself like I said. Had a Dragonfly scout and an HK4M with literally nothing else on it because we deployed before I finished my fit and I forgot about it, and went something like 22-3, 28-9, and 31-7. With zero SP in it. Fighting people with advanced and proto suits. I literally sprinted, jumped, and zigzagged at every heavy I saw and two shot them while laughing in their face. Garrett Blacknova wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay It is, actually. Just to have a vague hope of scratching the paint on someone's armour, you have to cross through the ideal ranges of every other possible weapon except Nova Knives and SMGs. That's just for your shots to register as hits. If you want to be close enough to actually HURT the target, you need to pass through the SMG's preferred range as well, and for a two-shot with a Militia Shotgun, you almost have to be in range for Nova Knives. Also, that two-shot isn't going to happen with a Militia Shotgun unless the A-Series guy is running a suit with no tanking modules, AND the Shotgunner is either EXTREMELY lucky with their spread or has a lot of SP tied up in Shotguns. You don't even -need- to dodge fire. The game forces you into close quarters so often that if your speed isn't enough in a scout suit, you can just wait for people to try and come so they can take an objective or whatever and butffuck them. Sure I won't get as many kills as I would using my Tar with OP range, but those kills are farming kills. I used to think heavies camping corners and objectives were the worst thing, now I can two shot them with a free suit and gun I have no SP in. The heavies that were being killed were A-Series and vk1's from Tritan Industries. All I ever see from them is tanked heavies, so I assume that's what they were using, but I can't say for certain what their fit was. I do know me and my corp mates shotguns with zero SP in it were two shotting them though, and they were defenseless because it was on C on the four point skirmish map. Lots of cover for a scout to force CQC. I'm not really sure where I'm going with all of this though. I don't have a suggestion to nerf the shotgun that wouldn't end up making it useless, but it feels so cheap at the moment. It was fun to use, so I guess that is good, but so lame to fight against lol.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 21:12:00 - [5] - Quote DTOracle wrote: The HK4M is an ADV shotgun. Same specs as a CRG-3. I would agree that it's OP, being it requires no skill to fit. but it's a bonus you can't replenish for less than $20 a pop. This is true, and I'm going to use a militia one later on today to see if I have the same kind of success. My friend wasn't having any less success with his militia one though.